MRP for Hogan and Lewis

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11 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Not happy with the Jordan Lewis response on TV - ' probably not very good from the teams point of view.' Doesn't sound contrite and smacks of arrogance. He needs to pull his head in.

It's funny how people see things differently.  I loved his response.

I was thinking "don't sit there and apologise for your actions to a fat slob who has no idea what's it's like on an AFL footy field".  Lewis did the crime and he'll cop his right whack, but he didn't need to grovel for forgiveness to placate armchair critics.  I want a hard edge at this club and I'm starting to see it.  They haven't got the balance right in the first couple of rounds, so hopefully they'll start treading the right side of that fine line.

Never complain and never explain.

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58 minutes ago, ProDee said:

It's funny how people see things differently.  I loved his response.

I was thinking "don't sit there and apologise for your actions to a fat slob who has no idea what's it's like on an AFL footy field".  Lewis did the crime and he'll cop his right whack, but he didn't need to grovel for forgiveness to placate armchair critics.  I want a hard edge at this club and I'm starting to see it.  They haven't got the balance right in the first couple of rounds, so hopefully they'll start treading the right side of that fine line.

Never complain and never explain.

This is great.

To be fair to Slobbo, he did emphasize that both Jordy and Hoges at least were front on with their hits yet the elbow and knee from Thompson was DIRTY. Frustrating that our players copped harsher reprimands when those cheapshots during North V Geee-long got next to nothing.

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4 hours ago, ProDee said:

It's funny how people see things differently.  I loved his response.

I was thinking "don't sit there and apologise for your actions to a fat slob

You and I usually agree but not on this occasion.

Firstly I don't see it as Lewis responding to Robbo who, like you, I see as a vacant space.  But Robbo last night was asking questions for me.  Lewis was on national TV and I wanted to see how he felt about letting down his teammates, his employer, the footy public and importantly the supporters of the club who have spent 11 years in the desert.

His words I could almost cope with but his body language and tone made it clear he doesn't rate how we want the club to be viewed.  Mahoney said yesterday that the actions of Vince, Hogan and Lewis are not how we wanted to be represented.  Lewis said "I don't give a stuff".

In another place I'm on record as questioning Lewis' attitude.  Last night he basically said to me "I'm a four time premiership player, I've done it all, I'm MFC's best player and I can do what I want and I don't care".  I didn't get the sense that he understood that he's put at risk the volume of work and effort everyone on this list has done to achieve finals this year.  He strikes me as an arrogant tool, not only to the public but to his teammates.  He didn't give a rats that he'd broken someone's jaw. He's very self satisfied.

Rather than seeing him in the coaches box for the next three weeks he should be doing some anger management and leadership courses.  He should look at Viney, Oliver, Jones and Hunt as players that play the game really hard without needing to punch the opposition when it gets a bit hard.  I can't agree with those saying he turned the game for us on Sunday, nor with those trying to defend him (or Vince or Hogan).  He's put the season at risk through being a brain dead dumb ass and it looked to me last night like he couldn't give a damn.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Vogon Poetry

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4 hours ago, dieter said:

 

I live on a planet that says this Club aspires to play finals for the first time in 11 years.  To do that we need our best players on the field for the most number of games possible because at the end of the season one game and percentage could be vital.

I don't live on a planet that says "he hit me first so I'll break his jaw and ignore that I've put the primary goal of this Club at risk".

I don't think Lewis is a thug.  I think he's just dumb.

If we lose any of the next three games by less than (say) 10 points I'll feel angry that two vital players were undisciplined.  You can beat your chest and say "goody, we gave as good as we got".

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29 minutes ago, dieter said:

What planet do you live on? Lewis is not a moronic behind the play thug. Viney - who you hold as an example of virtue - also pushed Cripps after Lewis's hit. Once again, watch the different camera angles and you'll see Cripps was giving as good as he got. You live by the sword and there are consequences. Neither Cripps nor Rowe are innocent lambs.

In all of this it befuddles me that only MELBOURNE players came under the scope. Nothing done or seemingly said about any off the ball shenanigans by Carlton. 

Whole thing is a joke save the ridiculous penalties.

MRP and Carlton deserve more scrutiny than us !!

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1 hour ago, Vogon Poetry said:

You and I usually agree but not on this occasion.

Firstly I don't see it as Lewis responding to Robbo who, like you, I see as a vacant space.  But Robbo last night was asking questions for me.  Lewis was on national TV and I wanted to see how he felt about letting down his teammates, his employer, the footy public and importantly the supporters of the club who have spent 11 years in the desert.

His words I could almost cope with but his body language and tone made it clear he doesn't rate how we want the club to be viewed.  Mahoney said yesterday that the actions of Vince, Hogan and Lewis are not how we wanted to be represented.  Lewis said "I don't give a stuff".

In another place I'm on record as questioning Lewis' attitude.  Last night he basically said to me "I'm a four time premiership player, I've done it all, I'm MFC's best player and I can do what I want and I don't care".  I didn't get the sense that he understood that he's put at risk the volume of work and effort everyone on this list has done to achieve finals this year.  He strikes me as an arrogant tool, not only to the public but to his teammates.  He didn't give a rats that he'd broken someone's jaw. He's very self satisfied.

Rather than seeing him in the coaches box for the next three weeks he should be doing some anger management and leadership courses.  He should look at Viney, Oliver, Jones and Hunt as players that play the game really hard without needing to punch the opposition when it gets a bit hard.  I can't agree with those saying he turned the game for us on Sunday, nor with those trying to defend him (or Vince or Hogan).  He's put the season at risk through being a brain dead dumb ass and it looked to me last night like he couldn't give a damn.

Internally, I have no doubt he made the types of comments and showed the sort of leadership you (and I) would have hoped for.

Externally, he handled things exactly the way I wanted.

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On 4/3/2017 at 9:41 PM, monoccular said:

Their inconsistency is sickening.  Bloody disgraceful though Hogan in particular was stupid and unfortunately others will see him as an easy target to get under the skin . 

Must learn to become less petulant. 

No. Jokes are humeorous. 

We do seem to be the target of experiments. 

The Trengove / Dangerfield first ever sling tackle

The Grinter / Wallace first ever non reported review

Jakovich suspended in a practice match for wrestling

Jack Viney suspended for standing his ground - thankfully reversed on appeal. 

Hogan wasn't mongrel - it was petulant 

An open  handed  push sent Rowe  down  faster than a $2  hooker

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This is what Jordan Lewis thinks. A refreshing change.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jordan-lewis-blocks-out-the-criticism-after-his-offtheball-hit-on-carltons-patrick-cripps-20170404-gvdv51.html

 

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What is done is done.

Could this allow Hogan in particular to "manage" his mystery injury?  Come back refreshed in a couple of weeks.

He does need to get some help however into how to cope with niggling - he WILL be a target, probably more so after this week.  Is there anyone at the club such as a sports psychologist to help him learn how to handle pressure better?

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10 minutes ago, america de cali said:

This is what Jordan Lewis thinks. A refreshing change.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jordan-lewis-blocks-out-the-criticism-after-his-offtheball-hit-on-carltons-patrick-cripps-20170404-gvdv51.html

 

What's a refreshing change?  He clearly doesn't give a stuff how the supporters feel who pay (in part) for his salary.

And I wonder what those who's opinion he does value have said.  The implication is he thinks he's a good bloke and those around him think he did nothing wrong.  Hard to reconcile that with Mahoney's view and those of Tom McDonald.

 

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I get the feeling that while lewis crossed the line he obviously felt cripps deserved a whack or two.

So obviously some stuff went on first...

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2 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

What's a refreshing change?  He clearly doesn't give a stuff how the supporters feel who pay (in part) for his salary.

And I wonder what those who's opinion he does value have said.  The implication is he thinks he's a good bloke and those around him think he did nothing wrong.  Hard to reconcile that with Mahoney's view and those of Tom McDonald.

 

You had me at...What a refreshing change

You lost md immediately after.

I reckon Lewis has a better idea than your self.

One, he was there, dealing with the rogues

Two...hes got a swag of medallions suggesting he has a very good working understanding of what it takes.

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8 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

What's a refreshing change?  He clearly doesn't give a stuff how the supporters feel who pay (in part) for his salary.

And I wonder what those who's opinion he does value have said.  The implication is he thinks he's a good bloke and those around him think he did nothing wrong.  Hard to reconcile that with Mahoney's view and those of Tom McDonald.

 

Well it was refreshing in that he didn't roll out the usual guff which you might expect. Doesn't mean I liked it. 

But I'm not sure you can assume that implication.  It could be that he accepts the views of Mahoney etc, but he doesn't give two hoots about what outsiders think as a general policy which he holds.   And ignoring supporters is not such a bad idea - imagine what a mixed-up schizoid a player would be if he didn't ignore much of what we say here.

Edited April 5, 2017 by sue

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4 minutes ago, sue said:

Well it was refreshing in that he didn't roll out the usual guff which you might expect. Doesn't mean I liked it. 

But I'm not sure you can assume that implication.  It could be that he accepts the views of Mahoney etc, but he doesn't give two hoots about what outsiders think as a general policy which he holds.   And ignoring supporters is not such a bad idea - imagine what a mixed-up schizoid a player would be if he didn't ignore much of what we say here.

This 

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Love Josh Mahoney's attention grabbing refutation; 'That's not how we want to be perceived'. And yet there he was bringing attention to it. It is very clear that this group want to psychologically intimidate other clubs. It's a deliberate aura (Hawthorn-like) that they want to manufacture. And whilst Lewis and Hogan stupidly hurt our chances for on field success over the next 3 weeks, and in no way do I condone their behaviour, I have to (begrudgingly) admit that their actions help build that aura. Like it or not, a big part of success in footy is about physical intimidation and the psychological effect it carries. 

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From an Article on AFL site.

Melbourne pair Jordan Lewis and Jesse Hogan were this week slapped with heavy bans for crude hits, with medical reports from Carlton playing a crucial role in the verdicts.

Lewis was suspended for three matches for a strike that left Blues midfielder Patrick Cripps with a small hairline fracture in his jaw, while Hogan accepted a two-game ban for an open-palm strike on defender Sam Rowe that caused late-onset concussion. 

WATCH: The extra vision that damned Demon pair

Carlton presented a clear summary of both players' medical circumstances to the MRP on Monday, ultimately convincing the Panel to grade the impact of both strikes as medium.

A maximum impact grading of high is typically reserved for displaced fractures and, increasingly, for concussion. The MRP can also upgrade impact as it sees fit, based on the risk of serious injury.

Riewoldt said the focus on medical reports when setting MRP penalties was a grey area that led to similar actions being punished differently.

"I'd say that too much is put into the medical report," the star forward said on Fox Footy.

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Weve been stitched up royally.

We'll phlog these phlogs....again.

To remind them of an old campaign..."They'll hear us coming"

...in their sleep. 

Karma's coming !!

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6 minutes ago, Redleg said:

From an Article on AFL site.

Melbourne pair Jordan Lewis and Jesse Hogan were this week slapped with heavy bans for crude hits, with medical reports from Carlton playing a crucial role in the verdicts.

Lewis was suspended for three matches for a strike that left Blues midfielder Patrick Cripps with a small hairline fracture in his jaw, while Hogan accepted a two-game ban for an open-palm strike on defender Sam Rowe that caused late-onset concussion. 

WATCH: The extra vision that damned Demon pair

*Carlton presented a clear summary of both players' medical circumstances to the MRP on Monday, ultimately convincing the Panel to grade the impact of both strikes as medium.

A maximum impact grading of high is typically reserved for displaced fractures and, increasingly, for concussion. The #MRP can also upgrade impact as it sees fit, based on the risk of serious injury.

Riewoldt said the focus on medical reports when setting MRP penalties was a grey area that led to similar actions being punished differently.

"I'd say that too much is put into the medical report," the star forward said on Fox Footy.

*   vindictive bastards.  Two can play that game. Don't expect Mr Nice Guy from any other clubs, you squealers.

#  risk of serious injury obviously doesn't include an elbow to the jaw of an opponent on the ground, or a deliberate knee into the mid spine

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The return game in july will be fun to watch.

We wont forget

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2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

An open  handed  push sent Rowe  down  faster than a $2  hooker

Have you got contact details?

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Anybody else hear Mark Fine's diatribe on this last night?  Painful

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44 minutes ago, biggestred said:

The return game in july will be fun to watch.

We wont forget

Yes I hope it's a different dynamic that game. I hope we're 10 goals up at half time and have the game on ice. Then the boys can spend the second half following them to the ball purely so they can annihilate them repeatedly in tackles, see if they can replicate some Byron Pickett moments! Be nice to bury a few of their campaigners like Armfield into the turf and make sure they stay down.

For now it's time to move on and prepare for Geelong this week.

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No wonder the Captain of Brisbane left this mob, wanted somewhere where the air was clear.....Carlton would have been unbearable if they won this game, and they clearly went about it in the sniping way they know how.  

 "A clear summary of both players medical circumstances", in view of time allowed, i would say would be just about impossible....

Lewis would have trouble counting his money if it is ever established that his action was not the cause of a "small hairline fracture in" (strange word to use in this context "in" someone's jaw, like, for example, if it was already in there?

That said i love the new rock solid MFC...

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I'd say there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

They definitely went for us extra hard after half time, probably trying to play on the "bruise-free" crap.

Whatever it was that Cripps did that got under Lewis's skin got under Viney's skin too.

Weitering was doing a lot of work off the ball to keep T-Mac away from the ball, allowing Casboult to mark virtually unopposed because T-Mac was blocked and couldn't come in & spoil. Watts got elbowed in the back of the head going for a mark - play on. But nothing was picked up by the umpires. There seemed to be a lot of holding off the ball on their blind side.

And we definitely lost our "shape" for a while in that third term, allowing them to hit the front. They were pushing us around physically, and often illegally, and getting away with it.

Lewis said that things were going on before that incident but he didn't elaborate and perhaps fortunately wasn't asked to. So I reckon Lewis just took matters into his own hands and felt that we're not taking it any more and we're fighting back. After that, and the subsequent melee, we regained our "shape" & structure, and started to play "fearless footy" again.

Seems the club is very unhappy with what went on in that 3rd quarter, but they can't say anything

I'd say both sides we've played so far have tried to go the "off the ball" stuff after half time, and as always seems to happen, the provocation gets missed and it's the retaliation that gets caught. I'd also say that most sides are going to play us this way when we get on top of them and we need to work out how to respond in a way that doesn't require our senior players to get rubbed out.

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Looking forward to seeing whether Rowe lines up this week when you consider the dramatic doctors report which was at pains to highlight his serious concussion issues.

If he does play, either of two things are at play here. (1) Carlton are  breaching a duty of care by allowing one of their players to play the week after experiencing dramatic delayed concussion symptons such as dizziness, compromised vision and nausea or (2) Carlton's doctor flat out lied which is breach of a doctor's code of ethics I would've thought.

Surely Rowe sits this week out.....right?

   

Edited April 5, 2017 by Bring-Back-Powell