1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Agree, depth is so important partic in the midfield if you have a run of injuries.  We look good with a full list but that can go pear shaped with a few serious injuries.  

Depth is important.

But it's hard to juggle, especially when you have a 20 year old getting 30+ possies every week in the VFL and not getting a look in.

Of course if ANB is happy playing second fiddle behind our top-end inside mids then we're laughing but realistically that isn't going to happen.

If he can't get a regular game in our starting side going forward, he'll obviously be wanting opportunities elsewhere.

The club have a lot of forward thinking to do in that regard. List management would be a tough gig.

Edited September 1, 20168 yr by stevethemanjordan

48 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Depth is important.

But it's hard to juggle, especially when you have a 20 year old getting 30+ possies every week in the VFL and not getting a look in.

Of course if ANB is happy playing second fiddle behind our top-end inside mids then we're laughing.

But if he can't get a regular game in our starting side going forward, he'll obviously be wanting opportunities elsewhere.

The club have a lot of forward thinking to do in that regard. List management would be a tough gig.

So true Steve your damned if you do and damned if you don't 

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

No, you were right, you were wrong.

Is this the right room for an argument?

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Is this the right room for an argument?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great skit. Loved Monty Python.

21 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Quite a feat when you're drafted at pick 8.

Ha! thanks for the correction; because there was so much talk about us potentially taking him with Scully I had rewritten history conveniently for myself.  3 was Dusty wasn't it?

2 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Ha! thanks for the correction; because there was so much talk about us potentially taking him with Scully I had rewritten history conveniently for myself.  3 was Dusty wasn't it?

It was, but in the Scully/Trengove draft. Vickery was drafted a year earlier. 
Doesn't make a great deal of difference to your point, but I dare say Richmond would have copped a hell of a lot more criticism for his selection if it was at pick 3.

Just now, Mach5 said:

It was, but in the Scully/Trengove draft. Vickery was drafted a year earlier. 
Doesn't make a great deal of difference to your point, but I dare say Richmond would have copped a hell of a lot more criticism for his selection if it was at pick 3.

But I was talking about Butcher....

6 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

But I was talking about Butcher....

Ooops, got my number 8 dud draft picks mixed up.
Sorry, I think the Dusty reference threw me.
That and multiple threads, combined with pesky work distractions.

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Depth is important.

But it's hard to juggle, especially when you have a 20 year old getting 30+ possies every week in the VFL and not getting a look in.

Of course if ANB is happy playing second fiddle behind our top-end inside mids then we're laughing but realistically that isn't going to happen.

If he can't get a regular game in our starting side going forward, he'll obviously be wanting opportunities elsewhere.

The club have a lot of forward thinking to do in that regard. List management would be a tough gig.

We have to get the club in to a position where the fringe players are prepared to bide their time and wait for a game when they are ready, Hawthorn are masters at this and can have players in a queue waiting for a call up. No point in having a player on the list for 3 years who is just below best 22 and replacing him with a draftee who may be in the same position in 3 years time.

I'd hate to lose ANB, I think he has a lot of ability and if he can hang in there for a while he may become a regular, form, retirements, players moving on, they all play part in it.

 

Gold Coast have just delisted 4 players:

http://m.goldcoastfc.com.au/news/2016-09-01/gc-suns-make-four-list-changes

Seb Tape is a player that intrigues me. I'd rather us get in someone like a Tom Lamb, but i think finding a genuine utility is something we lack. 

Tape was a high pick a few years back as a 3rd tall defender, but has spent time recently in the NEAFL plying his trade in the midfield and forward.

Assuming we trade out Garland i think Tape would be worth a crack as a DFA assuming we can't land a Tom Lamb who i'm a big wrap for.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-hardwick-cant-hide-from-tiger-truth-20160901-gr6u3m.html

Quite a 'bake' of Richmond and Hardwick by Caro.  I think she is saying they are soft...

"It is laughable that the commentary around Richmond occasionally still refers to it as a cut-throat, merciless club. If that was even half true Hardwick would not have survived after what the team dished up in 2016, a season which took a turn for the worse back in early March during a disastrous pre-season match at Etihad when injuries mounted and the coach attempted to put a stop to the game...The situation never really recovered from that night".

I had forgotten that preseason game - Hardwick was so embarrassing when he tried to take his 'stars' off the field!  I truly don't know how they can keep him - they should cut their losses or the Board will go down with Hardwick when the good ship SSTigers sinks into the Yarra next year.

 

I often drink Shiraz to cull time but I suppose given my new recent title as a Troll ( I am not from Trollsylvania) my response may not be applicable to the question on hand.Since Casey are playing finals the "cull" will be put on hold,you blood thirsty supporters will have wait. Perhaps Dawes will ask the question like Boomer did with his coach…….. am I a required player for next year. Honesty may not prevail……… Goodwin takes holidays for now.

??EHT TAHW

5 hours ago, Dante said:

We have to get the club in to a position where the fringe players are prepared to bide their time and wait for a game when they are ready, Hawthorn are masters at this and can have players in a queue waiting for a call up. No point in having a player on the list for 3 years who is just below best 22 and replacing him with a draftee who may be in the same position in 3 years time.

I'd hate to lose ANB, I think he has a lot of ability and if he can hang in there for a while he may become a regular, form, retirements, players moving on, they all play part in it.

 

Nibbler has had a stellar year, and I'd hate to see him leave too.  As someone earlier said, he hasn't been played to his strength in the firsts, but there are too many 'in-and-under' players ahead of him for that luxury.

A strong finals showing for Casey and, dare I say, a possible flag, could keep guys like this around for the success it breeds, especially if offers from elsewhere are not compelling.

Others in a similar boat could be M Jones and Newton, who provide depth and seem to always be on the cusp but not able to make strong statements when given a chance on the big stage.

50 minutes ago, bjDee said:

Nibbler has had a stellar year, and I'd hate to see him leave too.  As someone earlier said, he hasn't been played to his strength in the firsts, but there are too many 'in-and-under' players ahead of him for that luxury.

A strong finals showing for Casey and, dare I say, a possible flag, could keep guys like this around for the success it breeds, especially if offers from elsewhere are not compelling.

Others in a similar boat could be M Jones and Newton, who provide depth and seem to always be on the cusp but not able to make strong statements when given a chance on the big stage.

The nibbler will get his chances next year.  He shouldn't go anywhere.  They are teaching him multi roles adding to his skills.  To me, he is a must keep.

 

 

20 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

We're not this year. I understand what we did last year, but every year one should be aiming to improve their position.

Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either we get a first-rounder every year, or we do what we've done and get two last year and none this year.

Yes, you can still trade for better draft picks ... but this year those trades and upgrades are likely to be very few and far between. We'll be basically ditching the lower end of the list and we won't get much for it. A return to the second round to replace the pick we'll use on Hibberd would be an excellent but surprising result.

I'm not worried about this year's draft position. We went 'early' last year and are getting development and games into two young round 1 draftees, rather than just getting another new talent this year.

Roos said the Melbourne approach would be the 'model' for teams wanting to rebuild, and I think what we did with Oliver and Weideman is part of that.

13 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-hardwick-cant-hide-from-tiger-truth-20160901-gr6u3m.html

Quite a 'bake' of Richmond and Hardwick by Caro.  I think she is saying they are soft...

"It is laughable that the commentary around Richmond occasionally still refers to it as a cut-throat, merciless club. If that was even half true Hardwick would not have survived after what the team dished up in 2016, a season which took a turn for the worse back in early March during a disastrous pre-season match at Etihad when injuries mounted and the coach attempted to put a stop to the game...The situation never really recovered from that night".

I had forgotten that preseason game - Hardwick was so embarrassing when he tried to take his 'stars' off the field!  I truly don't know how they can keep him - they should cut their losses or the Board will go down with Hardwick when the good ship SSTigers sinks into the Yarra next year.

 

Heard many here say she's soft on Richmond stories.  I don't think so.

2 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either we get a first-rounder every year, or we do what we've done and get two last year and none this year.

Yes, you can still trade for better draft picks ... but this year those trades and upgrades are likely to be very few and far between. We'll be basically ditching the lower end of the list and we won't get much for it. A return to the second round to replace the pick we'll use on Hibberd would be an excellent but surprising result.

I'm not worried about this year's draft position. We went 'early' last year and are getting development and games into two young round 1 draftees, rather than just getting another new talent this year.

Roos said the Melbourne approach would be the 'model' for teams wanting to rebuild, and I think what we did with Oliver and Weideman is part of that.

I'm not saying it has to be a first rounder.

All I'm saying is we should seek to improve our position. If our second-rounder goes to Essendon for Hibberd, I can see us working some sort of magic to get ourselves back into the second round.

There are many possibilities.

We'll wait and see.

4 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm not saying it has to be a first rounder.

All I'm saying is we should seek to improve our position. If our second-rounder goes to Essendon for Hibberd, I can see us working some sort of magic to get ourselves back into the second round.

If all we are seeking is another second-rounder, then (in my humble opinion) our current drafting position is not "terrible".

With the B&F next Tuesday, and I would think de-listings will occur before then, is it going to be today, tomorrow or Monday? Apologies if this has been mentioned.

On 2 September 2016 at 1:16 PM, M_9 said:

With the B&F next Tuesday, and I would think de-listings will occur before then, is it going to be today, tomorrow or Monday? Apologies if this has been mentioned.

Why would they do that the day before the B&F? They'd have to have rocks in their heads.

On 02/09/2016 at 1:16 PM, M_9 said:

With the B&F next Tuesday, and I would think de-listings will occur before then, is it going to be today, tomorrow or Monday? Apologies if this has been mentioned.

er....some of 'them' may be playing for Casey in finals, and the aim of doing the delistings now would be?

We don't have to do any delistings before the cutoff date.  Due to Casey involvement, I would expect us to conclude our VFL commitments before 'exit interviews' are held on the fringe players who are still running around for the Scorps.  

I imagine everyone knows pretty much where they stand:. Contracted, uncontracted and likely to be recontracted, uncontracted and likely to be put on the market or delisted.

i like what we did grabbing Weids and Olli and getting 12 months development into them, instead of picking up a kid this year who would take another 12 months to come on.  If we go for Hibberd (likely, but no guarantee I would say) as our second rounder, do some upgrades, we use our mandatory 3 and go forward with a stable list.  We should only shed what makes us weaker.

On 31 August 2016 at 5:52 PM, Django said:

I think you're right about ANB, but I'd love it if we were able to hold onto him. He'd be amazing depth for our midfield, and we've been so lucky with injuries this season that he hasn't had a look in for the position he's most suited to. He's kind of like our version of Tom Mitchell.

If we receive a decent offer for him though, I expect we'd probably take it.

I also liked some of what I have seen of ANB, but I don't think he is locked in.   His debut was fantastic, but then of course Gysberts' at the same ground was too :-(

But I also doubt that they would announce any delistings whilst Casey is still playing - only Norf would consider anything as stupid as that.

Edited September 5, 20168 yr by monoccular

Richmond has one of the best first 10 players in the comp but they fall of a cliff after that. The club has built their list so poorly over the years and I think the club realises that Hardwick hasn't had the support he has needed in terms of recruiting and trading. Their attempt at stability through this situation is actually quite admirable. Without the AFL intervention we recieved, we'd have hired and fired 5-6 coaches in that period!