I love how badly this has been handled. King just said on 360 it reminds him of when Jnr was moved on by Melbourne.

Let that be a reminder of how far our club has come. 

4 less players to rip us a new one. 

Can't say I have any love for Harvey, but surely the guy has earnt the right to call time on his own career. 

I hate North Melbourne more than any other club, so to see them stuff up this badly, is both amusing and heartening. Can't wait until we can finally beat those pricks!

Edited August 24, 20168 yr by Jaded

Hope the four players play like ………………………. in the finals,then SCOTT get the axe,probably will become an assistant to his bro.

I felt, as did quite a few others, that with or without Steve Johnson, GWS were going to play finals this year. To decide whether or not that whole season experiment ie Johnson, works out, it would be prudent to wait until after the results of The  Finals which i think was GWS's main mission.

 Plus is Shaw still going to be abusing his fellow players left,right and centre in Finals? 

I would hold off on any decision on Harvey including the fact that he's going to take another season to know players and coaches and he would have lost a lot of impetus to play by then.

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

I love how badly this has been handled. King just said on 360 it reminds him of when Jnr was moved on by Melbourne.

Let that be a reminder of how far our club has come. 

 

I thought the OP was a joke, can`t believe the timing as the finals loom. Reckon they have flown the white flag before the finals even start, can you imagine the morale at the club right now.........Fkn Fantastic lol!

Couldn't possibly be 4 by 3strikes could it?

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

 

Can't say I have any love for Harvey, but surely the guy has earnt the right to call time on his own career. 

 

Disagree. Everyone has the right to call time on their career, what they don't have, is the right to keep going until they have had enough.

Players can't decide List Management.

However, in Harvey's case, his form deserves another year. On that basis he has been hard done by.

2 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

Need the insurance for their forward line, Petrie and Waite would be a big hit together and Waite was in much better form before injury. Give him one more season to get his body right

That will be the 15th or 16th.

Lol Norf. Boomer still a top 10 player at the club. Show him the door like that after 21 years is poor form.

The other 3 were cooked and done. Boomer in another jumper is an interesting thought...

If North get thumped on the back of this and we somehow get up against Geelong, I will be so filthy.

10 hours ago, Members' Wing said:

I can't stand the little rat but I'd have boomer for a season. He'd immediately become our best small forward. Still playing very good footy.

 

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Jeez Boomer is very stiff.. Il probably get shut down for this but i would seriously consider picking Harvey the same way GWS did with Stevie J..

 Harveys Leadership and outside class would easily get us to finals next year.

 

9 hours ago, johndemons said:

Persevere with playing the elderly rung of MFC players in the VFL? Persevere with the constant cycling in/out of players like Michie, Bugg, Kennedy, Harmes etc ?

A Spot on our list isn't hot property, yet. Two more trade periods, Which means Boomer could play one year with us and actually put pressure on those boys to take his spot by performing consistently when selected or spending more time developing in the VFL, while Boomer supplies AFL standard performances week to week. 

 

Though an experienced defender would be nicer.

Also agree, the professionalism and finish on a one year contract would be very handy. Not sure about this year but Boomer was the player with the most involvement in the Roos scoring chains of play in 2015 running at about 35%.

If he remains fit he is a great addition, goal assist, goal sneak, finisher in front of goals and takes a very solid defender away from the rest of our smalls/medium smalls, allowing them to instead play on a 2nd/3rd fiddle and develop under a little less pressure (when Boomer's fit and on the park anyways).

Was the difference earlier this year in our 5 point loss to them. Would be great to have him batting on our side in our next match against them in 2017. Might be the difference between making finals or not.

Edited August 24, 20168 yr by Rusty Nails

Like most others I don't like Harvey. Nor Firito. Fairly indifferent towards Petrie. Del Santo seems like an OK bloke. I hate Norf. I presume they will lose during the first week of the finals. Terrible way to deal with these players though; looks like "taking out the trash"!!

Just reading some. articles on this, this morning. Scott saying the call was made to axe the 4 to give younger players more opportunities. 

I don't get that especially after seeing the failure of the MFC plan to "get games" into players. If the younger players are good enough they naturally force the changing of the guard don't they? AliirAliir  is an example of that. 

What extraordinary timing.   I bet had we not stuffed up last week and we're still a potential threat they would have held off.

But anyway, struggling big time with form and a ko final looming....... weird stuff. 

Do they think it will spur them on?   Could as easily pi55 them off. 

43 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Just reading some. articles on this, this morning. Scott saying the call was made to axe the 4 to give younger players more opportunities. 

I don't get that especially after seeing the failure of the MFC plan to "get games" into players. If the younger players are good enough they naturally force the changing of the guard don't they? AliirAliir  is an example of that. 

Even us this year is a decent example.

The young players eg Frost & O Mc have forced Dunn & Garland to only manage 11 games between them.

Young players show enough, they'll get in anyway.

I understand them making the calls on Petrie & Firrito.  Probably should have done the same to Waite seeing as they have Wood, Brown & a combination of Goldstein/Daw they can play forward.  But I'm a little surprised by Dal Santo and shocked by Harvey!

9 hours ago, Chook said:

If North get thumped on the back of this and we somehow get up against Geelong, I will be so filthy.

And our percentage ends up more than North's. Even sweater.

10 hours ago, Chook said:

If North get thumped on the back of this and we somehow get up against Geelong, I will be so filthy.

TBH I'm more angered at the thought of the Saints finishing ahead of us, despite their shocking percentage. If only we'd been gifted as easy a draw to finish the season as they have. 

Will be surprised if this doesn't hurt their culture badly. Well I hope it does anyway.

16 hours ago, Jesse Christ said:

It is hard to argue with that, but what if Harvey could be the difference between us making and possibly winning some finals,  and falling just short again. Plus there's going to be injuries,  and if guys in the reserves are going to be pushing harder to usurp Harvey then that bodes well for depth and competition for spots. 

I hate the little rat,  but it's a big yes from me 

But what if Harvey is the difference between us making finals and winning a Premiership (because, for example, playing him stops the development of another player)? If you believed that, would you still want to recruit him? 

14 hours ago, tilly18 said:

Do you really think that.

Do you think we have progressed that far ahead of North Melbourne where we can pick up one of their discards.

I don't think we have.

Don't worry about other teams, worry about us. Referring to Harvey as a "discard" is extremely disingenuous. He is rated one of the top 30 players in the comp. They've decided not to offer him a contract because of his age - they're going full rebuild. We're going up, they're going down. We can make use of a guy like Harvey for a couple of years as we start to enter "win now" mode, they're planning for 5 years down the track.

And if you think we don't have enough spots available on our list where we can do both you're deluded. Off the top of my head Grimes, Terlich, Dawes, Dunn, Newton won't be around next year. We'll have 3 draft picks, probably Hibberd and whoever else we can trade in. We can definitely make room for a player of Harvey's calibre if we need to.

While Lyon, Hardwick and Leppich have had terrible on-field results, Scott would have to be in the conversation as one of the worst performing coaches of 2016:

• Went from 9/0 mid year to 12/11 at the end with only 2 wins (from 11 games) vs top 8 teams. 
• From 2 Prelim Finals to barely scraping into the 8. 
• Poor media performer:  PR disaster for his club when he mouthed off at umpires for their bias that cost himself and his club a bucket of money.
• Poor media performer:  PR disaster yesterday when he 'Shot Bambi' aka Boomer.
• Poor media performer:  His surly manner showed little compassion or empathy yesterday.
• Poor media performer:  Always winging and surly in his post game press conferences
• Effectively, surrendered the 2016 Finals series by saying they are unlikely to play in Melbourne again this year.
• Has their supporters ready to riot.

Lyon, Hardwick and Leppich teams have performed badly and the former 2 fallen way down the ladder but they have not damaged their club as Scott has - it will cost North a heap of members next year. 

Brayshaw must be having serious doubts about his coach as their front man.  Won't be long before the media start baying for his blood.  Lucky to see out next year as coach, I reckon (contracted to 2018).

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Disagree. Everyone has the right to call time on their career, what they don't have, is the right to keep going until they have had enough.

Players can't decide List Management.

However, in Harvey's case, his form deserves another year. On that basis he has been hard done by.

I agree.  

Brad Scott also didn't dispute that Harvey's form warranted another year and even went as far as admitting that if Harvey was on the list next year, Scott would still play him, but that it's not in the long term interests of the club to do so.  Given that their club appears to be embarking on a rebuild, it's pretty hard to dispute that.  He'd be taking the spot of a player they need to be getting games in to, there's no upside to this if they don't think they're going to seriously push for a flag.  

I think it's responsible list management.  I'm still not sure about the timing of the announcement, but I'm pretty comfortable with the decision (from an outsider's POV, acknowledging that I don't really care).

Anyone see the Titus O'Reilly post: (something like)

"North - the first club to announce a rebuild heading into Finals"

sums it up for me.  what morons.  either tell the players with 10 rounds to go and let them announce when they want or make the hard calls after the finals.

either way, treating their champ Harvey like this is ridiculous and will hurt the club for years (like the Junior decision did for us)

26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Don't worry about other teams, worry about us. Referring to Harvey as a "discard" is extremely disingenuous. He is rated one of the top 30 players in the comp. They've decided not to offer him a contract because of his age - they're going full rebuild. We're going up, they're going down. We can make use of a guy like Harvey for a couple of years as we start to enter "win now" mode, they're planning for 5 years down the track.

And if you think we don't have enough spots available on our list where we can do both you're deluded. Off the top of my head Grimes, Terlich, Dawes, Dunn, Newton won't be around next year. We'll have 3 draft picks, probably Hibberd and whoever else we can trade in. We can definitely make room for a player of Harvey's calibre if we need to.

Well if you feel this list has reached a state where it has the luxury of sacrificing a spot on a 39 year old rather than trying find a 200 gamer than I think you're deluded.

If Boomer goes around again it will be to play deep in the finals, he would probably laugh at us.

Anyway, agree to disagree.

There will be some decent fat left in their salary cap. Interesting to see what they do with it.