Stop Making Hawthorn Stronger

[Redleg 40,444]

If the clubs were really serious about catching up to the Hawks, they would stop clearing star players to them.

Players could be directed, or persuaded, to go to other clubs, on the basis that the Hawks are the direct opposition to them winning a flag.

When the Hawks lose their older brigade and are then stopped from getting T. Mitchell, Couch, Prestia, O'Meara etc, they will come back to the field.

To me, that is the way to stop the Hawk flags continuing.

 

 

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Or we can just get better ourselves 

[ChaserJ 4,829]

Must allow clubs to trade contracted players for the best deal on the table, regardless of where player wishes to go.

[junk 342]

People want to play for a top club or an up and coming club. In the EPL Man U,Arsenal,Chelsea,Man City ( lately) have dominated for the past 20 odd years. Money can buy you the best players, yet Leceister City won the EPL trophy,why? In the AFL system it is done by drafting players and hence trading occurs. If you compare the Dees to the Hawks in the last ten odd years,the Hawks have done many things better than the Dees and have reaped the rewards. 

[Ted Lasso 18,914]

I'm with Chaser, the players have to much power, they're always going to want to the stronger sides, as long as they have as much power as they currently hold, the top of the ladder turnover will be to little, even if the Hawks drop i can see the Giants staying up there for the next 5-10 years anyway.

Free agency gives the players the ability to move to their club of choice, but the clubs should hold more power over the trade to ensure they get a better deal

players can be drafted anywhere so why can't they be traded anywhere?

[Little Richard 6,219]

38 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Must allow clubs to trade contracted players for the best deal on the table, regardless of where player wishes to go.

AFL Players Association would never allow/agree to this, but it's how it should be.

[praha 11,222]

I'm fairly certain you *can* trade players that are in contract, but most contracts have a clause that the player needs to agree to the destination. Occasionally a fringe player wouldn't have this (say, a Terlich). I'm not sure it's a AFLPA issue. They'd fight to ensure the nature of the contract is honoured, not that the player is shifted somewhere they don't want to go.

[Ricky P 757]

Wow. What a thread to start the day we play Hawthorn. How about we beat them and become the next Hawthorn rather than whining about how it's unfair. What have the AFL ever given us apart from mountains of draft picks, a CEO and one of the best coaches of the last 20 years?

[Akum 2,660]

So on SEN during the day this week - think it was Tuesday - interview with this stats guy & were talking about measuring the potential of teams by the number of their players under 23 with more than 10 games. In Round 19 we had the most with 10, then there were GWS & Bulldogs with 9, the next was 7, and it tailed off with Hawthorn & Richmond, among others, with 2; North & Geelong were down the bottom there too.

Our Round 19 team was one of our oldest teams for the year - this round with Oliver & Bugg replacing Dawes & M. Jones we'd have 12.

They linked it to Dion Prestia: "if you were Prestia, you had maybe 6 or 7 good seasons left, you'd want to move to an established side (i.e. not GWS) that had the best chance of getting a premiership in that time. Who would that be?" Well, it would be Melbourne or Bulldogs. The Bulldogs have a number of similar players, so it's probably Melbourne."

This is our potential. But to really compete with the Hawks & Swans as a destination team, either next season or in what's left of this season, we have to back up this potential with performance. 

[Redleg 40,444]

10 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

Wow. What a thread to start the day we play Hawthorn. How about we beat them and become the next Hawthorn rather than whining about how it's unfair. What have the AFL ever given us apart from mountains of draft picks, a CEO and one of the best coaches of the last 20 years?

It's not about whining,its about the other clubs deciding not to give the Hawks a free pass every year.

If they are going to lose a star player, to try and persuade that player to go to a club other than the Hawks.

It's actually about the other clubs trying to stop the monopoly of flags that has happened recently.

No problems if you are against self help.

[beelzebub 23,254]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

If the clubs were really serious about catching up to the Hawks, they would stop clearing star players to them.

Players could be directed, or persuaded, to go to other clubs, on the basis that the Hawks are the direct opposition to them winning a flag.

When the Hawks lose their older brigade and are then stopped from getting T. Mitchell, Couch, Prestia, O'Meara etc, they will come back to the field.

To me, that is the way to stop the Hawk flags continuing.

 

 

How about we stop worrying about the other bloke and just lift our own game to be better than theirs. Thats the equation Red.

[PaulRB 6,305]

21 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How about we stop worrying about the other bloke and just lift our own game to be better than theirs. Thats the equation Red.

And big Maxy has done a great job of that this year. 

Be a big win for we can knock them off today, however, irrespective of today, the cycle is turning. 

[P-man 13,366]

There was a time on Demonland where a defeatist whinge thread like this would've gotten mountains of likes. I'm glad to see the tide is turning.

[rjay 24,688]

3 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Must allow clubs to trade contracted players for the best deal on the table, regardless of where player wishes to go.

 

2 hours ago, Django said:

AFL Players Association would never allow/agree to this, but it's how it should be.

The AFLPA want a cut of the revenue...to get it they need to give something up.

Maybe this is the thing they trade, they can't have it all.

[junk 342]

Good recruiting = Good results. The Dees win over Hawks prove it.

[Biffen 12,937]

They get frees because they are rent boys for the AFL and their toilet trained apologist media associates.

[grazman 7,348]

10 hours ago, Redleg said:

If the clubs were really serious about catching up to the Hawks, they would stop clearing star players to them.

Players could be directed, or persuaded, to go to other clubs, on the basis that the Hawks are the direct opposition to them winning a flag.

When the Hawks lose their older brigade and are then stopped from getting T. Mitchell, Couch, Prestia, O'Meara etc, they will come back to the field.

To me, that is the way to stop the Hawk flags continuing.

 

 

 I think it evens itself out Redleg.  They did well out of getting guys like Burgoyne, Gunston, Lake and Frawley, but watching today's game I think they missed on O'Rourke and if Sicily and O'Brien are stars in the making then Juice Newton should make a comeback. I'm not surprised that of the names mentioned it's Mitchell, Prestia and O/Meara.  I think all have huge question marks over them and while they are on the market all come with question marks in relation to their value (compared to a Dangerfield type deal).  In essence unless they can attract free agents (like the first group of players above) the Hawks are still constrained by what they can offer in terms of draft picks (both actual and perceived - i.e.. future).

Edited August 6, 2016 by grazman

[beelzebub 23,254]

7 hours ago, PaulRB said:

And big Maxy has done a great job of that this year. 

Be a big win for we can knock them off today, however, irrespective of today, the cycle is turning. 

You're psychic

Just pm me some lotto numbers 

[sue 9,070]

mission accomplished

 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

10 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Must allow clubs to trade contracted players for the best deal on the table, regardless of where player wishes to go.

This.

If players want fa then this has to happen 

[Soidee 1,496]

Some anonymous terd called AW after the game and said Hawthorn had met with Petracca 2 years ago and told him to wait and they would pick him up on big dollars.  Not sure if this is just BS...however they are mercenaries and would not be surprised.

[daisycutter 29,451]

1 minute ago, Soidee said:

Some anonymous terd called AW after the game and said Hawthorn had met with Petracca 2 years ago and told him to wait and they would pick him up on big dollars.  Not sure if this is just BS...however they are mercenaries and would not be surprised.

yeah i heard that too. said he had done a hwfua deal.....and you are right, a real turd

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,284]

2 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Some anonymous terd called AW after the game and said Hawthorn had met with Petracca 2 years ago and told him to wait and they would pick him up on big dollars.  Not sure if this is just BS...however they are mercenaries and would not be surprised.

Not going to happen. These young players have something special, a bond that is more than money. That will keep the majority of them here, and hopefully means TMac will re-sign soon. I honestly can't see him leaving, side on the up, playing alongside his brother, possibly in premierships. That is what dreams are made of.