POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

I couldn't catch the game myself, is it worth watching the replay or is it just going to rip my heart out?

[Chris 2,892]

16 minutes ago, Choke said:

I couldn't catch the game myself, is it worth watching the replay or is it just going to rip my heart out?

It is worth watching, we played well for the most part and you know the result so you should be fine. 

[Undeeterred 3,124]

Love the people on here potting Kent - third best on ground according to the coaches.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

WEST COAST v MELBOURNE
8 Dom Tyson (Melb)
7 Nathan Jones (Melb)
4 Dean Kent (Melb)
4 Matt Priddis (WCE)
4 Jack Viney (Melb)
2 Jeremy McGovern (WCE)
1 Shannon Hurn (WCE)

[Little Richard 6,262]

10 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Love the people on here potting Kent - third best on ground according to the coaches.

Whoever is potting Kent's performance on the weekend has no idea. He was great, and gained a lot of ground for us in conditions where metres gained are so important.

[beelzebub 23,378]

21 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

WEST COAST v MELBOURNE
8 Dom Tyson (Melb)
7 Nathan Jones (Melb)
4 Dean Kent (Melb)
4 Matt Priddis (WCE)
4 Jack Viney (Melb)
2 Jeremy McGovern (WCE)
1 Shannon Hurn (WCE)

Something else we won on the day... Still lost ! 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Choke said:

I couldn't catch the game myself, is it worth watching the replay or is it just going to rip my heart out?

You should be right, perhaps just dont do it sober...

[Adam The God 30,261]

On 7/25/2016 at 8:17 PM, Redleg said:

Found a way to win, yes, guided and then aided and abetted, by three maggots in yellow.

Even Dennis Cometti tweeted the umpiring totally favoured the WCE in the last quarter.

Dennis has been known to support the MFC a bit too though. However, interesting that he could be bothered tweeting about it.

[Adam The God 30,261]

On 7/25/2016 at 8:47 PM, willmoy said:

Did anyone else get a feeling from the way we played that game against WC, that we, just a little, resembled Essendon in circa 2011- 2012.

Please explain.

[Pates 9,660]

On 7/26/2016 at 2:09 AM, Akum said:

The best way to avoid getting penalised for putting it out deliberately is not to stop doing it, but to "disguise" it so that you con the umpire into doubting whether you did it deliberately. Even the commentators say, when a dubious "deliberate" is awarded, that it's fair enough because he didn't disguise it well enough, as if the ability to disguise it is the criterion of the free being paid or not.

I think that's more to the point, in the past the umpires had to be absolutely sure it was a fully deliberate decision to put it out, now the umpires are adjudicating if the player "did enough to keep the ball in". Maybe they should change the rule to be called that! But perhaps the players need to be given time at training to practice fudging some of those niggly rules to find ways of getting away with it.

I actually really hate the interpretation as it is, I think safety of the line isn't a bad thing as it can give the game time to breathe for a bit. FWIW while I said that Gawn's one of understandable I still think that in those conditions and with the teammate around it was a harsh call.

[deanox 9,928]

I thought tyson was stiff. Two players sliding at the ball trying to stop the other getting possession. It wasn't one player out in front deciding to knock it over instead of taking possession. 

[beelzebub 23,378]

11 hours ago, deanox said:

I thought tyson was stiff. Two players sliding at the ball trying to stop the other getting possession. It wasn't one player out in front deciding to knock it over instead of taking possession. 

I agree. This whole OOB stuff is bullshlt imho.

Who can often predict what an oval Ball will ACTUALLY do ?

To highlight the inconsistency and ridiculousness of it all. At a ruck contest along the boundary the ball can be thumped deliberately back over the line to advantage ( as it ought ) . Two players contesting a ball in general Play.... can't. 

[Chris 2,892]

The thing that gets to me with the Tyson one is that it could just as easily have been a free to Tyson as the WC player slid into his legs diving for the ball. That free was fairly clear, although maybe a little soft, yet the deliberate was paid which was not clear and subject to heaps of interpretation. 

[Willmoy1947 4,091]

15 hours ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Please explain.

For a long time now I have been sh#t canning Essendon on a lot of topics on this site. That being said, I don't think i ever said I didn't like the way they normally played footy.

For me there was that sense of unrelenting urgency about the way we played against WC that is an underlying ingredient (without giving too much away) in the way the normal Ess plays. Three games so far this year have stood out for me. North, Hawthorn and West Coast and we improved in each one of them I think. that's all.

 

[beelzebub 23,378]

6 minutes ago, willmoy said:

For a long time now I have been sh#t canning Essendon on a lot of topics on this site. That being said, I don't think i ever said I didn't like the way they normally played footy.

For me there was that sense of unrelenting urgency about the way we played against WC that is an underlying ingredient (without giving too much away) in the way the normal Ess plays. Three games so far this year have stood out for me. North, Hawthorn and West Coast and we improved in each one of them I think. that's all.

 

strangely...another common factor about those 3

[jackaub 1,402]

18 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

strangely...another common factor about those 3

Why cannot this team bring that sense of urgency to every game

Does Roos or his Mrs put them to sleep pre-game 

Whats going on? You can tell almost immediately if they haven't turned up

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

52 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

strangely...another common factor about those 3

We seem to play fairdinkum after an embarrassing and humiliating loss. One that gets plenty of deserved heavy criticism . Unfortunately appears only a temporary phenomonem as it doesn't last long.

Edited July 28, 2016 by america de cali

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

strangely...another common factor about those 3

We got hung out to dry by the umpires?

[beelzebub 23,378]

23 minutes ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

We got hung out to dry by the umpires?

might be more than 3 games !! lol

 

strangely none of the well put suggestions is the notion that came to my mind. Probably just me ( again ) 

[leucopogon 1,519]

Just having another watch of the last 1/4 and had a good look at the Watts taking out the legs of Darling free kick. The cheating Eagle has completely dived, a la Arjen Robben in the penalty area, to con the umpire into that free kick. It is comical. Watts slides to the side of Darling's legs and then a split second after, Darling has flung himself to the ground backwards in dramatic pose, arms outstretched appealing for the free kick. 

I can't believe what a bunch of duckers, divers and flat out cheats the Eagles are. Can't stand them. I'm glad that the Dees don't play that Cr@p.

Edited July 28, 2016 by leucopogon

[BAMF 4,353]

13 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

Just having another watch of the last 1/4 and had a good look at the Watts taking out the legs of Darling free kick. The cheating Eagle has completely dived, a la Arjen Robben in the penalty area to con the umpire into that free kick. It is comical. Watts slide to the side of Darlings legs and then a split second after Darling has flung himself to the ground in dramatic pose, arms outstretched appealing for the free kick. 

I can't believe what a bunch of duckers, divers and flat out cheats the Eagles are. Can't stand them. I'm glad that the Dees don't play that Cr@p.

Not to mention where Tyson was pulled up for deliberate out of bounds. To me it looks like Darling is the one who initiated the contact with the ball. By that point all he had to do was wave his arms as the umpires were calling everything for them.

Darling consistantly plays for frees. Why wouldnt he? The crowd roars and the umpires do whatever they want. I just watched all the free kicks in the last quarter and half of them are questionalble. 

Makes little difference. We should have won that game by 5 goals. Umpire bias or not.

[Willmoy1947 4,091]

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

strangely...another common factor about those 3

OK, aside from the fact they were three closely contested losing games against, in the Eight, teams, am I missing something important.

[waynewussell 5,761]

1 hour ago, leucopogon said:

Just having another watch of the last 1/4 and had a good look at the Watts taking out the legs of Darling free kick. The cheating Eagle has completely dived, a la Arjen Robben in the penalty area, to con the umpire into that free kick. It is comical. Watts slides to the side of Darling's legs and then a split second after, Darling has flung himself to the ground backwards in dramatic pose, arms outstretched appealing for the free kick. 

I can't believe what a bunch of duckers, divers and flat out cheats the Eagles are. Can't stand them. I'm glad that the Dees don't play that Cr@p.

I also watched the final quarter today and agree wholeheartedly leucopogon... the free against Watts was ludicrous and you have described it well. It was Umpire number 2, Niel Foot, I believe, the same umpire that called at least one of the dodgy DOBs. However, that one against Watts takes the cake because it was so obviously staged by Darling. When an umpire falls for this sort of staging I lose respect for the individual concerned.

[Akum 2,660]

The Match Review Committee should start calling out players for staging, whether they fine them or not. It's the being exposed that counts.

In a way it's not fair to single out Lindsay Thomas when there are a number of other repeat offenders who continually escape scrutiny.

[beelzebub 23,378]

19 hours ago, willmoy said:

OK, aside from the fact they were three closely contested losing games against, in the Eight, teams, am I missing something important.

It's that these games could have been won.

The north game was the closest to a win imho as they were right in it. Had the team not faded at times it was there for the taking. The Hawks game really only needed someone to take it by the scruff and will it over the line. The Weagles game was winnable if someone had decided enough was enough and kicked a bloody goal.

All 3 games were lost between the ears.