Making way - The list enigma going forward

[beelzebub 23,376]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

surprised most want a KFB and the least want a KPF.

as far as trading in players, Id say KPF/2nd ruck is one of our biggest needs if not the biggest.  Dawes, Pedo are not upto it. Weed and Hullett will not be impacting games this year or next at the least.  they should play some games next year but they wont get us to finals

Put Frost down back with Mac brothers and Dunn, Garland and draft a young defender

We need a proper target up fwd to complement Hogan

I want both...2nd fwd/ruck  and a FB any decent mids are icing

[old55 23,573]

28 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

All very good considerations. Some have mentioned Dawes, I agree that if he can't get on the park he'll be gone at the end of the season. If he can get a run, I wouldn't be against trying him down back. Slightly heavier that Robbie Tarrant but could see him playing a similar role in defence.

I don't think it's 100% certain that Watts will be at the club next year, he has been much improved this year and I think he's value but he's RFA and there's a lot of season to play out.  If Dawes can get fit then he's clearly the option there, they are very different players but they can fill a similar forward role.

[beelzebub 23,376]

Reflecting on this I think a large element is who can be got.

[chook fowler 19,459]

Doubt they will let both Dunn and Garland go at the same time, unless we do get Hurley or similar. Frost and O Mac need another 12 months development. 

[Old Bear 388]

Give Dawes an off field role in development

He has the brain of a good footballer not the physical attributes

Pederson so way ahead , no chance of replacing him unless injured

[Demon Disciple 12,124]

Potential delistings/trades for me currently stands at 7 (Dawes, Newton, Garland, JKH, Grimes, M. Jones & Terlich). I would have Dunn here too, but he is still reliable back-up as a KPD, more-so than Garland.

Jones & Terlich (unfortunately for them) would be apart of the mandatory 3 delistings, along with Michie. I'd keep/promote White, Wagner and King on the RL.

That leaves Grimes, JKH, Garland, Newton & Dawes needing to find new clubs, otherwise they too could be delisted.

We obviously won't delist all of them, some may go in trades, some will get the cut, other's will luckily stay on the list.

[Deeoldfart 8,032]

4 hours ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

Plan A

Play Trengove for 6 games at end of season, hope he doesn't break down & trade him.

he's a time bomb probably won't get more than 20 more games

If Trengove's body holds up to the rigors of VFL / AFL this season, he will be a Demon in 2017.  

[grazman 7,436]

5 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

It's early to call but ...

• IMO Dunn and/or Garland will be on the trade table and there is likely to be a market for them.

 

Particularly if we are chasing Hurley, doesn't auger well for either (though it begs the question of what club would want a discarded KPB after the previous club replaced them)  I think it will be Dunn based on both contract and apparent lack of love from the FD.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

As far as a starting Round 1 team for next year and positional changes, I'd like to see the following:

Through a trade or FA I'd like to see us land one KPD. Ideally Hurley, Day or May. Dunn and Garland are cooked in my eyes and neither have the desire to fight nail and tooth for every contest, neither inspire confidence in defence and both of them exude an inability to be composed when we need that most from our 'senior' players.

Through a trade, it's clear we also need a midfielder who can bring a complimenting mix of attributes to our contested ball winning kings. Ideally someone in the mould of Steven, Dahlhaus or Zorko. I'll settle with Prestia for now as he seems the most likely to leave and he has speed of sorts. But I see a definite lack of speed and class through our midfield which needs to be addressed.

Out of White, Salem and Wagner I strongly believe that two of them could become mainstay HB flankers/pockets for us going forward. I've already said my piece about Salem and what I think he needs to do to become an elite flanker. White is the other I see who if given the opportunity this year could really own a backline position. He has the foot-skills we need, rebound pace and the mongrel attitude you want to see from any defender. Hunt at this stage has fantastic pace but his kicking is really quite average and for that I don't see a HB position for him. (Yes I know we've just signed him). 

Our forward-line and the future of our forward-line looks great so I don't see any changes there except for the injection of Weideman at some point. Same goes with out midfield brigade except for speed and class.

And we definitely need another mature Ruckman/forward to help Gawn. But perhaps the FD see Hulett as a direct replacement for Pedo who can similarly pinch hit in the ruck? In any case, I'd love to see us pick up someone like Jenkins.

So for Round 1 next year I'd like to see the following team lineup:

B           White                Hurley               Jetta 

HB        Salem             McDonald           Vince 

C         Melksham           Oliver                Kent

HF        Watts                 Hogan              Prestia

FF        Garlett              Weideman         Petracca

Foll:      Gawn                 Viney                Jones

Int:       Tyson               Brayshaw           Kennedy           Jenkins

 

The way the game is going and the advent of the interchange cap means players need to be versatile positionally speaking.

And a team like that have a host of players who can play a variety of roles.

We'd be playing finals without a doubt with a team like that.

Edited May 20, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

21 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Doubt they will let both Dunn and Garland go at the same time, unless we do get Hurley or similar. Frost and O Mac need another 12 months development. 

I don't think either of those players will go. I have the feeling Roos rates Garland and I think if Dunn can regain touch and fitness, he can be a very valuable leader down back. At worst, a very handy depth option if we recruit another key back.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

24 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

As far as a starting Round 1 team for next year and positional changes, I'd like to see the following:

Through a trade or FA I'd like to see us land one KPD. Ideally Hurley, Day or May. Dunn and Garland are cooked in my eyes and neither have the desire to fight nail and tooth for every contest, neither inspire confidence in defence and both of them exude an inability to be composed when we need that most from our 'senior' players.

Through a trade, it's clear we also need a midfielder who can bring a complimenting mix of attributes to our contested ball winning kings. Ideally someone in the mould of Steven, Dahlhaus or Zorko. I'll settle with Prestia for now as he seems the most likely to leave and he has speed of sorts. But I see a definite lack of speed and class through our midfield which needs to be addressed.

Out of White, Salem and Wagner I strongly believe that two of them could become mainstay HB flankers/pockets for us going forward. I've already said my piece about Salem and what I think he needs to do to become an elite flanker. White is the other I see who if given the opportunity this year could really own a backline position. He has the foot-skills we need, rebound pace and the mongrel attitude you want to see from any defender. Hunt at this stage has fantastic pace but his kicking is really quite average and for that I don't see a HB position for him. (Yes I know we've just signed him). 

Our forward-line and the future of our forward-line looks great so I don't see any changes there except for the injection of Weideman at some point. Same goes with out midfield brigade except for speed and class.

And we definitely need another mature Ruckman/forward to help Gawn. But perhaps the FD see Hulett as a direct replacement for Pedo who can similarly pinch hit in the ruck? In any case, I'd love to see us pick up someone like Jenkins.

So for Round 1 next year I'd like to see the following team lineup:

B           White                Hurley               Jetta 

HB        Salem             McDonald           Vince 

C         Melksham           Oliver                Kent

HF        Watts                 Hogan              Prestia

FF        Garlett              Weideman         Petracca

Foll:      Gawn                 Viney                Jones

Int:       Tyson               Brayshaw           Kennedy           Jenkins

 

The way the game is going and the advent of the interchange cap means players need to be versatile positionally speaking.

And a team like that have a host of players who can play a variety of roles.

We'd be playing finals without a doubt with a team like that.

Hurley, Prestia and Jenkins? A bit fanciful but hey, I like it.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

7 minutes ago, WAClark said:

Hurley, Prestia and Jenkins? A bit fanciful but hey, I like it.

Totally.

I was throwing those names there as the 'type' we'd be after. 

But if it were all three, it'd be magical.

Just magical.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

I think the club will be desperate to recruit a big name player this year, something we haven't been able to do for a long while.

 

[beelzebub 23,376]

5 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I think the club will be desperate to recruit a big name player this year, something we haven't been able to do for a long while.

 

not sure as to desperate....but reckon they are out to snag someone.  Are we finally a destination club ( for the lateral thinker perhaps ) ?

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 5/20/2016 at 1:44 PM, beelzebub said:

not sure as to desperate....but reckon they are out to snag someone.  Are we finally a destination club ( for the lateral thinker perhaps ) ?

for me a dream off season would see us re-sign Hogan and TMAC, as well as bring in Prestia and one of Jenkins/Hurley

If Hogan leaves we'll probably add a couple of good first rounders and a player as well but i am pretty confident Hogan will stick around

[ManDee 7,147]

21 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I think the club will be desperate to recruit a big name player this year, something we haven't been able to do for a long while.

 

Chris Dawes, Mitch Clark?

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 5/20/2016 at 2:01 PM, ManDee said:

Chris Dawes, Mitch Clark?

I would suggest neither is in the class of say Hurley for example a player who looks like being an AA regular 

[ManDee 7,147]

Just now, Peter Griffen said:

I would suggest neither is in the class of say Hurley for example a player who looks like being an AA regular 

I would argue both at their best are better than Hurley, but that is merely my opinion. Could add Daniel Cross. Not to mention Peter Moore and Kelvin Templeton,  joking.

[junk 342]

How are we going to get Prestia and Hurley? We don't have a first round pick next year. I think it would be fruitless to keep DAWES,GRIMES,TERLICH,DUNN,GARLAND,NEWTON,MICHIE,LUMUMBA and Max KIng. Matt Jones may be kept for bench warming duties …….. in the VFL. I am sure by the start of 2017 Frost and O'Mac will become the real deal. Brissy  would benefit from picking up some of our rejects. Someone out their getting Caleb Marchant, i think he is from GWS …….. good idea. Thank "god" for the footy factory……. GWS. The Weed and Trengove will probably be in the senior mix latter in the year, we don't need to rush them. 

[old55 23,573]

1 hour ago, WAClark said:

Hurley, Prestia and Jenkins? A bit fanciful but hey, I like it.

It's a ridiculous proposal.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

9 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

It's a ridiculous proposal.

As I said, they're the types that will fill the holes in our list.

I named them.

I don't expect to get them.

 

[Skuit 10,031]

Over 90% of voting is now for between an expected 3-6 list changes. This link may be enlightening, with the mean average of turn-around last year somewhere around 11.5.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/review-2015/retirements-and-delistings

There are genuine reasons why we may have a smaller turn-around this year - a lack of veterans at retirement age, opting out of the first draft round, Melksham to come on board, and, of course, a sizeable group of young, developing talent still new to the list - which will then impact the need to retain some experience as well. The Doggies delisted seven last year and traded out one. Do we see ourselves at a comparable stage of development?

 

 

[beelzebub 23,376]

6 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Over 90% of voting is now for between an expected 3-6 list changes. This link may be enlightening, with the mean average of turn-around last year somewhere around 11.5.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/review-2015/retirements-and-delistings

There are genuine reasons why we may have a smaller turn-around this year - a lack of veterans at retirement age, opting out of the first draft round, Melksham to come on board, and, of course, a sizeable group of young, developing talent still new to the list - which will then impact the need to retain some experience as well. The Doggies delisted seven last year and traded out one. Do we see ourselves at a comparable stage of development?

Id have to say it cant be too dissimilar  but for any number of viewpoints.  

From where I sit we would only be looking to off load 3-4 and take in that sort of number. So for mine I selected 4-6 given the FD will have now decided some are for the road.

I sit in the  corner that suggest we need at least one more back. Firstly a decent FB and possibly a bit more depth . Players who can play the modern game etc.  Tmac cant do it by himself. He seems poorly assisted in terms of tall currently. So there's gaps to fill for starters.  We need that 2nd Fwd/Ruck . Its possible hes already on our list, just not there yet.

We could use a tad more in the middle  in the guise of a ready made insider. Having said that more outside pace cant hurt. Its a balance. We've got a bit of depth and quite a few to come through yet so the desperation to overhaul the list isnt there anymore. 

 

its now about quality not quantity. Will be very interesting how this years EOS pans out. Should be very different from the last 3 years

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

I suspect from the comments made by officials and also from the list composition right now that we'll see minimal drafting and multiple rookie upgrades.  We don't have a first round pick at all, so we're already out of the premium talent.  I would say we draft with our second round pick and upgrade White and King.  That is our three picks used to meet the minimum requirement. 

This of course means that we need at least three spots to open on our main list.  Roos has shown his preference here in past years.  Once they decide to cut a player they don't get a look at a senior call-up.  That would indicate that Terlich is gone.  Dunn is borderline given that they keep looking to drop him.  I suspect he'll be nudged into retiring.  Dawes may stay on, but at much reduced coin.  Garland must be in a similar boat to Dunn.  Grimes?  He's played well enough for a call-up, but aside from an emergency gig no luck.  Could be his time too.  JKH is another who must be in the gun. 

Out of that lot, we may see some trade action, possibly even FA.  I doubt we'll get enough back in trade to significantly alter our drafting outcomes though. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,457]

As at 12 July, my end of year prognosis is:

Delist- Terlich, Dawes, Newton, Michie (r) Max King (r).  Dawes delisting frees up plenty of cash in the cap.

Draft picks pre trade dealing: 28, 46, 64 (use 64 to upgrade Mitch White). Wagner to stay a rookie for 2017. 

Contractual arrangements mean JKH, Dunn and Garland stay on. 

Question mark over Lamumba. 

National draft Pick # 28 & # 46, rookie draft  #9 & # 27. 

With Melksham in for 2017, the signs are very good.