We need two big key defenders

[Demonsterative 3,020]

Frost and McDonald are two players to build a backline around. Tall, strong, fast and big enough to play on traditional Key forwards. Garland and Dunn are just not quiet right. Too small. 

Frost and McDonald are athletic and versatile enough to play in a zone defence. I'd even go far enough to say that a backline in the future with TMac, OMac and Frost is feasible. 

[The heart beats true 18,145]

I know this is a very common theme on DLand but I can't say I agree. If you look at all the games we got beaten in the ball flew from half back into their forward line. Not enough team defensive work.

I think what further proves this is the dogs backline. Morris matched up on Hogan a lot. They have less scale than us down back but sit 6-2. 

Game is changing, and speed, pressure on the opposition when they have the ball and skill have never been more important.

 

[Chook 15,022]

James Frawley really screwed us over. I wasn't his biggest fan, but he's still a damn good key backman.

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,250]

I agree. Most teams play 2 or 3 tall forwards and we are playing McDonald, who is better as a 2nd tall defender and garland who I don't rate at all and should be depth. We really need to play 3 tall defenders along with Jetta, Wagner, Salem and hunt rotating through.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

We're just not quite executing the game plan. Teams who are quick on the spread will continue to get in behind us until we get it right. I feel like we adapted well after 1/4 time and the boys worked their bums off. Would love one extra quality defender with a bit of bulk (Frawley anyone?) but think we can build with what we have with a little more strength, consistency and faith in each other.

[TheoX 1,222]

What first rounder KPD's do GWS have sitting in the NEAFL?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

If only we had a tall, quick and strong key defender that we targeted in a trade waiting in the wings at Casey.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

TMac can play 3rd roaming KPB, so could Frost. They could also play on the gorillas of the comp. Frost is better than Garlamd and Dunn. More versatile. 

On a side note, Dunn has more to his bow than Garland. Why is he playing for Casey??. 

Add Salem, Vince, Jetta and Hunt to the mix, we have a back line with elite running capabilities..... A backline for now and the future. 

[beelzebub 23,383]

10 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If only we had a tall, quick and strong key defender that we targeted in a trade waiting in the wings at Casey.

funny 

[leave it to deever 17,525]

50 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

Frost and McDonald are two players to build a backline around. Tall, strong, fast aptbernd big enough to play on traditional Key forwards. Garland and Dunn are just not quiet right. Too small. 

Frost and McDonal are athletic and versatile enough to play in a zone defence. I'd even go far enough to say that a backline in the future with TMac, OMac and Frost is feasible. 

 

 

Dunn ISnt small

But we Need to do something

Jetta was good but another big defender like frawley or rance would be great as well as a second ruck and we could play IN sept.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

12 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If only we had a tall, quick and strong key defender that we targeted in a trade waiting in the wings at Casey.

It is actually a glaring error. We are far better stocked at KPF than KPD, but for whatever reason we tried to turn Frost into a forward. 

It seems they have little faith in both Dunn and Garland, so it seems strange they experiment with Frost up forward while those two get dropped for each other every second week.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

In saying that, if Dunn isn't a better option than Garland, then I will eat my hat. It's just so obvious.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Garland is simply not up to it.

 

TMac wants a new contract on big $$$. He'd better start playing like a KPD who deserves big $$$. I think we should trade him while we can still get good value for him.

[leave it to deever 17,525]

Dunn is much better at punching than garland ...........the ball as well as players

[Demonsterative 3,020]

Dunn is an in between size. 192 cms. But he is strong, coulda play on a big strong forward like Redpath or mid sized Stringer. He also has a strong kick creating great attack from the backline. 

[mo64 5,881]

Dunn was a perfect match-up for Redpath. Garland isn't a match-up for anyone. 

People can talk about team defence all they like, but AFL standard backmen should be capable of winning the odd contest. Garland is not AFL standard.

[titan_uranus 25,045]

2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Dunn was a perfect match-up for Redpath. Garland isn't a match-up for anyone. 

People can talk about team defence all they like, but AFL standard backmen should be capable of winning the odd contest. Garland is not AFL standard.

The turnovers and the mistakes up the ground are the biggest problem IMO but you're right re: Garland.

[dazzledavey36 55,362]

Its baffling Garland got back into the side on the back of no strong form in the VFL.. Yet Dunn got dropped after one bad game. 

Just get rid of him FFS.. I'm still not sold on Omac.. Still too fumbly and not strong enough.

 

 

[mo64 5,881]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Its baffling Garland got back into the side on the back of no strong form in the VFL.. Yet Dunn got dropped after one bad game. 

Just get rid of him FFS.. I'm still not sold on Omac.. Still too fumbly and not strong enough.

 

 

We can't. We signed him up to a 3 year contract. Amazing!!!!

[beelzebub 23,383]

11 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Garland is simply not up to it.

 

TMac wants a new contract on big $$$. He'd better start playing like a KPD who deserves big $$$. I think we should trade him while we can still get good value for him.

my thinking exactly Ted  His nett value in any game hovers above zero for mone

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Just now, mo64 said:

We can't. We signed him up to a 3 year contract. Amazing!!!!

How recent was that?

[mo64 5,881]

Just now, Forest Demon said:

How recent was that?

End of last year. Unless we can use him as trade bait, we are stuck with him for another 2 2/3 years.

[waynewussell 6,242]

If we can find someone else (whose name rhymes with a drawing instrument) to give Gawn a chop-out, then we can switch Pederson to CHB when needed. Dunn for Garland after his good showing at Casey for the past two outings.

[mo64 5,881]

4 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

If we can find someone else (whose name rhymes with a drawing instrument) to give Gawn a chop-out, then we can switch Pederson to CHB when needed. Dunn for Garland after his good showing at Casey for the past two outings.

If we're going to persist with a zone defence, we need some understanding amongst the backline. Stop the revolving door approach to selection. Dunn, Garland and O. Mac have all been in and out. And it's not like the changes were made due to match-ups with the upcoming opponent. 

Make a decision as to who plays alongside T. Mac, and stick with them. Include a 3rd tall if match-ups require.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Ah, Garlo.  I can't really defend him all that much, but I didn't realise he was the reason for all of our woes.  I expect that, once he is dropped, we'll be premiership favourites, yes?