Changes for next week?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Just now, Deestroy All said:

IN: centre clearances, inside 50's

OUT: shockin football

huge loss of experience though

average of 95 games last time (which is about league average) and last week we had 64 games average, lowest in the comp

[Deestroy All 14,266]

2 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

huge loss of experience though

average of 95 games last time (which is about league average) and last week we had 64 games average, lowest in the comp

Not a big loss in my opinion. 

I think the youthful enthusiasm is driving our good football, helps that the kids are built for it and have talent, and they're being fed by Max Gawn. They get the modern game and they're enjoying it. There's a lot of experienced players around the league struggling to cope with how footy is being played. 

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,517]

9 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Yes quite possible too.

Here's a hint - it's not Roos.

Not sure why you say its not Roos.  At the swans he had Shaw, Malckeski, Bolton, Jack and a few others play as 'dashing half backs'.  And they won a premiership this way.

To me this team structure has Roos stamped all over it.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Gator 17,972]

10 hours ago, Redlegs Too said:

Chook said they deserve our respect not that they haven't been and he is absolutely right. 

So if they haven't been "disrespected" why did it need pointing out ?

[monoccular 17,642]

11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Maybe already mentioned but Marcus Adams is out for the Bulldogs. Their defence weakens.

Frankly I don't give a stuff about who is out from the opposition - it has been taken as a "good omen" far too often over the past decades, with inevitable painful results.

I only care about our guys beating whomever the opposition put out there.

Edited May 11, 2016 by monoccular
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[Fat Tony 5,306]

According to at tweet from Travis King, Salem and Brayshaw are training today but Lumumba is not.

[Slartibartfast 18,001]

17 hours ago, ProDee said:

I'm not sure why so many supporters argue about fringe players.  

A few reasons I guess:

• we don't argue about the good ones because everyone agrees.  We argue about fringe players because that is where people differ.
• the performance of the team relies on 22 contributors each week.  People rightly or wrongly believe the last few can make a defining difference.
• many like me feel a loyalty to those who went through the disaster that we were. I think players like Grimes and Garland have seen their careers curtailed or ruined as a result of our mismanagement and inept behaviour.  Those players stayed loyal to us to their own detriment so the few that remain (like Garland and Grimes) deserve better than having posters vilify them and many, like me, would love to see them be part of our future success and reward them for their past support.  I don't think I've seen anyone here get upset about someone saying (respectfully) Garland isn't up to it but I get upset when a vendetta using elevated language is run against him and when posters like jnrmac lie about the players performance to make them look bad and support the posters view.  I know that we all crave team success and it's how we are measured but many admire the lesser lights and just want the best for them.

You knew all that but I just felt like saying it.

[mrtwister 652]

14 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

According to at tweet from Travis King, Salem and Brayshaw are training today but Lumumba is not.

What's with Lumumba. When did his concussion occur?

[mauriesy 7,410]

No matter how good your team is, there'll always be the 38th best player on the list. How you react to them, and regard them, is a measure of your knowledge and maturity as a supporter. Constant denigration hardly ever looks good.

Edited May 11, 2016 by mauriesy

[nutbean 8,838]

43 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Frankly I don't give a stuff about who is out from the opposition - it has been taken as a "good omen" far too often over the past decades, with inevitable painful results.

I only care about our guys beating whomever the opposition put out there.

I am now a believer that if we play up to a high standard and get contributions from most then we will be in all games up to our necks.

We didn't get beaten by StKilda and Essendon because they are better than us - we were beaten because they played better than us.

We got beaten by North because they were a bit more mature than we are and a loss is a loss but I was disappointed rather than angry ( I was angry after the Saints and Bombers games)

I'm with you - it doesn't matter who they put out on the field  - it is up to us.

[Gator 17,972]

17 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

A few reasons I guess:

• we don't argue about the good ones because everyone agrees.  We argue about fringe players because that is where people differ.
• the performance of the team relies on 22 contributors each week.  People rightly or wrongly believe the last few can make a defining difference.
• many like me feel a loyalty to those who went through the disaster that we were. I think players like Grimes and Garland have seen their careers curtailed or ruined as a result of our mismanagement and inept behaviour.  Those players stayed loyal to us to their own detriment so the few that remain (like Garland and Grimes) deserve better than having posters vilify them and many, like me, would love to see them be part of our future success and reward them for their past support.  I don't think I've seen anyone here get upset about someone saying (respectfully) Garland isn't up to it but I get upset when a vendetta using elevated language is run against him and when posters like jnrmac lie about the players performance to make them look bad and support the posters view.  I know that we all crave team success and it's how we are measured but many admire the lesser lights and just want the best for them.

You knew all that but I just felt like saying it.

Fair enough.

I suspect you've got to know some of the players personally and most of us haven't had that opportunity.

I just want to win.  Individuals don't come in to my calculations, unless, of course, they make us better.  

That's not to say I won't remember them fondly, but a nano seconds thought is where it ends.

[Fat Tony 5,306]

15 minutes ago, mrtwister said:

What's with Lumumba. When did his concussion occur?

I think it was against Richmond and he played (poorly) with it against St Kilda.

[classy dees 42]

Just watched the last 45 mins of training. Lumumba didn't train. He won't play. Salem was taking part in all drills and stuck around at the end of the session and did a bit of one on one kicking with Rawlings  

newton and ANB were in everything and did a lot of one on one drills

fairly sure those three will be the Ins on Thursday night. 

Brayshaw and trengove did not train as if they were going to play in the senior side  on Sunday. Both were involved in all the drills but finished up when the majority of the group did and didn't stick around for extra stuff after. Couple more weeks for those two I'd think. 

 

 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Frankly I don't give a stuff about who is out from the opposition - it has been taken as a "good omen" far too often over the past decades, with inevitable painful results.

I only care about our guys beating whomever the opposition put out there.

it obviously helps though, I don't why people resist this concept

[monoccular 17,642]

1 hour ago, nutbean said:

I am now a believer that if we play up to a high standard and get contributions from most then we will be in all games up to our necks.

We didn't get beaten by StKilda and Essendon because they are better than us - we were beaten because they played better than us.

We got beaten by North because they were a bit more mature than we are and a loss is a loss but I was disappointed rather than angry ( I was angry after the Saints and Bombers games)

I'm with you - it doesn't matter who they put out on the field  - it is up to us.

A good summation of our season so far.

We are a better team than EssUndone, and probably than St Kilda - but we didn't / weren't allowed to / weren't prepared to play better than them on the day.

Norf as you say are far more mature and seasoned and used to playing together as  a team, yet we still nearly pipped them.

This week v Dogs will be a great indicator of where we are physically, skill levels, team work and perhaps most importantly, mentally....really looking forward to it.

[chook fowler 19,694]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

So if they haven't been "disrespected" why did it need pointing out ?

I guess I see under - valuing their contribution as a form of disrespect.

[Gator 17,972]

Just now, chook fowler said:

I guess I see under - valuing their contribution as a form of disrespect.

Example ?

[DubDee 26,306]

I don't think we can keep saying we are a better team than St Kilda when they keep beating us

I have thought we are far superior than them over the past 2 years but the evidence has finally convinced me they are slightly ahead of us right now.  I am still very confident we have the better/younger list and will be much better than them very soon

[chook fowler 19,694]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I guess I see under - valuing their contribution as a form of disrespect.

Describing them as ordinary fringe players not worthy of any emotional investment by supporters. I think Grimes and Garland are better than that.

[Gator 17,972]

13 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Describing them as ordinary fringe players not worthy of any emotional investment by supporters. I think Grimes and Garland are better than that.

Better than fringe players ?  Why have they been playing at Casey ?

But it begs the question...  Even if you disagree with my assessment how are they being disrespected by being called ordinary or fringe ?  

 

(You'll note that I said not "being emotionally invested" AFTER you had already said they were being "disrespected")

[nutbean 8,838]

27 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I don't think we can keep saying we are a better team than St Kilda when they keep beating us

I have thought we are far superior than them over the past 2 years but the evidence has finally convinced me they are slightly ahead of us right now.  I am still very confident we have the better/younger list and will be much better than them very soon

It is always folly to say "we are a better team on paper" as paper is not what takes to the footy field each week.

To my mind, we are better than StKilda ( this season) but as is constantly said by all and sundry if you don't turn up to play you will get beaten and we did that against StKilda and Essendon

[boydie 655]

2 hours ago, mrtwister said:

What's with Lumumba. When did his concussion occur?

Probably just before he called himself the Prince.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

2 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

According to at tweet from Travis King, Salem and Brayshaw are training today but Lumumba is not.

I was at training   HL Hogan Kent were no shows     cameras all over the place and all over Clayton Oliver leaving early in some discomfort      expect it on news      there was also a training drill that resulted in blood noses to Dunn Watts and I think Grimes      Salem and Brayshaw did full session   at the end of session there was quite a willing tacklng drill between Trac and Viney   have a couple pics to put on Twitter

Edited May 11, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[Redlegs Too 106]

24 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Better than fringe players ?  Why have they been playing at Casey ?

But it begs the question...  Even if you disagree with my assessment how are they being disrespected by being called ordinary or fringe ?  

 

(You'll note that I said not "being emotionally invested" AFTER you had already said they were being "disrespected")

Chook never said they were being disrespected and simply stated in the first place that they deserve respect.  Go ahead and critique the players, good or bad, as you will but with respect.  And I am not saying that you have been disrespectful but suspect that if you are, you may be criticised.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

26 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Better than fringe players ?  Why have they been playing at Casey ?

But it begs the question...  Even if you disagree with my assessment how are they being disrespected by being called ordinary or fringe ?  

 

(You'll note that I said not "being emotionally invested" AFTER you had already said they were being "disrespected")

I disagree with you sentiment, like to ask how you would react if somebody said you were ordinary?    Just because they are footy players, in fact, any footy player, some seem to think they can disrespect them. As I have said before if given the opportunity would you state to Jack Grimes in person that he was ordinary