Post Match Discussion vs GWS

[praha 11,240]

7 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Should have been 10 goals down at 3/4 time. 

Got out of jail.

Jesus Christ...

Not sure what's worse, your comment or the fact 7 people liked it.

Melbourne controlled the play all day bar a few patches. They didn't capitalise but GWS had all the run and as you said, at times played like a team that *seemed* 10 goals ahead. 

But you know what? It was always a 50/50 contest. Even when they were 20 points up. We couldn't score, but we pushed them to the boundary and defended an explosive and transitioning team SUPERBLY.

Have you not watched this team for the past 4 seasons?

In 2012 that would have been a 15 goal loss.

They took it to us, we toyed with them, let them get some air, and then took control when it mattered.

That was a superb win. A great team effort. They didn't lose it. We won it. They wanted to play a certain way, and 9/10 we stopped them from playing their way.

It was 50/50 all day. Grunt vs speed. Defense vs attack. We took control and demanded attention at the pivotal moment.

We finally play like winners and that's the crap you post! Gee whiz!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

6 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

loved the win and hate to be picky...but Gawns tap at the last centre bounce was Stkilda all over again. I was amazed we didn't get that right. All Melb players behind him and he taps forward? Anyway...post match review will at least be a good place to be this week, Bank the win and great fro morale but I think you gotta say we've got a lot of room for improvement also.

 

had to be said

shades of montagna at etihad and us throwing away the game that couldnt be lost

have to be better than that

 

[KingDingAling 3,758]

18 hours ago, praha said:

Jesus Christ...

Not sure what's worse, your comment or the fact 7 people liked it.

Melbourne controlled the play all day bar a few patches. They didn't capitalise but GWS had all the run and as you said, at times played like a team that *seemed* 10 goals ahead. 

But you know what? It was always a 50/50 contest. Even when they were 20 points up. We couldn't score, but we pushed them to the boundary and defended an explosive and transitioning team SUPERBLY.

Have you not watched this team for the past 4 seasons?

In 2012 that would have been a 15 goal loss.

They took it to us, we toyed with them, let them get some air, and then took control when it mattered.

That was a superb win. A great team effort. They didn't lose it. We won it. They wanted to play a certain way, and 9/10 we stopped them from playing their way.

It was 50/50 all day. Grunt vs speed. Defense vs attack. We took control and demanded attention at the pivotal moment.

We finally play like winners and that's the crap you post! Gee whiz!

I thought we had the play most of the day and should've pumped GWS. They looked sub par to me. The fact we won IMO was largely due to GWS being an average side. Sure they could've kicked straight. We just didn't play consistent football today. It wasn't our worst game, but we can do a lot better. GWS are overrated. They aren't much chop.

[What 18,810]

8 minutes ago, praha said:

Jesus Christ...

Not sure what's worse, your comment or the fact 7 people liked it.

Melbourne controlled the play all day bar a few patches. They didn't capitalise but GWS had all the run and as you said, at times played like a team that *seemed* 10 goals ahead. 

But you know what? It was always a 50/50 contest. Even when they were 20 points up. We couldn't score, but we pushed them to the boundary and defended an explosive and transitioning team SUPERBLY.

Have you not watched this team for the past 4 seasons?

In 2012 that would have been a 15 goal loss.

They took it to us, we toyed with them, let them get some air, and then took control when it mattered.

That was a superb win. A great team effort. They didn't lose it. We won it. They wanted to play a certain way, and 9/10 we stopped them from playing their way.

It was 50/50 all day. Grunt vs speed. Defense vs attack. We took control and demanded attention at the pivotal moment.

We finally play like winners and that's the crap you post! Gee whiz!

 

Some people are never pleased, praha.

Bad kicking is bad footy, so tough [censored] for GWS.   We blew the Essendon game last year thanks to much worse kicking than what GWS produced against us today.

 

 

[Pates 9,660]

So best I could do was watch the game on my phone (burning a lot of data at the same time!) but one thing that stood out is that Hogan is immensely important to us. He was quite for much of the day and then when we kicked into gear it was on the back (or helped by) his 3 goals. He is a gun but if he's not firing then we need a different plan because we got hurt badly (should've been hurt worse) on the rebound in the first 3 quarters because the ball just kept coming out.  

Pederson and Frost are currently our secondary tall forwards, but both of them are very average footballers. When we get Petracca in we will be a lot more dangerous and spread but those two gave us contests and targets but not much more.

So that's the critical part to this post. The positive is that we were getting it in the forward 50 a lot, where last year we weren't getting it in enough today it was more about cleanliness into the forward line. Gawn, Viney, Jones, and Oliver were superb in the centre, throw in Brayshaw and Petracca and all of a sudden we have a group that can mix it up at the centre bounces. Vanders and Kennedy were important for pressure, and I'm stoked that we have brought that into round. Watts came and went as usual but he was instrumental to our resurgence and you could see how much it means to him. For a much maligned player he will finish with a very fine career and it looks like things are starting to click.

Tommy Mac was actually very solid today although he, like the rest of us, will be breathing a sigh of relief that Cameron wasn't out there. GWS should be rightfully [censored] at him right now because he plays and (based on respective performances) they win.

Two years in a row we have the winning feeling after round one. This win is huge for the group, watching what Essendon dished up today we should bury them, though based on past history I'll take a comfy win. 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

7 hours ago, dieter said:

I was on the opposite side of the ground but it looked like a very, very weird decision.

I admit I got squeamish and left before three quarter time. Today was my first game since the final against the Swans in 1987. I liked the first quarter,but got very sick and tired of watching turnover after turnover, the main culprit Tyson.

And I love the way Oliver gets the ball but his kicking needs to be sorted out: his disposal reminds me of Maloney. if I was Hogan I'd be cursing. It's bad enough having two opponents for most of the day but waiting under those long, high bombs while his opponents have a cup of tea and a bickie before gang belting the ball out of his hands....

 

must be kicking yourself now

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

7 hours ago, AdamFarr said:

I think the problem with Tyson is that he's lazy. So often he'll be under no pressure and completely miss a handball target that a six year old could make. Reckon he needs a bit more confidence himself. He seemed to relish it in his first year with us. Maybe it's a lack of confidence in his body or maybe he keeps trying to do too much with it? He certainly needs to learn to take that first option still.

something's wrong, for sure. He was given the golden ticket for the entirety of 2015 but there's no excuse now. wtf would such a gifted youngster become the clanger machine that he has?

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

14 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

something's wrong, for sure. He was given the golden ticket for the entirety of 2015 but there's no excuse now. wtf would such a gifted youngster become the clanger machine that he has?

I think he's down on confidence. The injury slowed him down last year and he was caught holding the ball [censored] constantly..... This preseason he tried to play as he was in 2014 but he was pinged HTB a couple of times again, where there was no prior opportunity however. His head dropped noticeably, and I don't think he's gotten past it yet.

Good opportunity to bring in Angus and give Tyson 'a live kill' at Casey. He'll be back.

[Little Goffy 14,579]

 

I gather there's a few people who think that 'if the opponent would've won if they had kicked straight, then it doesn't real count as a win'.

R3 V Adelaide - 7.13 55 to 12.8 80

R15 v Essendon 7.18 60 to 10.9 69

R 21 v Carlton  7.13 55 to 12.6 78

I for one am pretty excited to hear about our impressive ten win season in 2015.

Also, I do wonder if we had some kind of allergy to kicking more than 7 goals.

[Biffen 12,943]

The umpires made me want to Jihad.

33,1 and 18 can go suck a bag.

Despite their blatant attempt to rob us,we won.

Still not happy .

the frees we got stopped certain goals.

 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,872]

Hate the argument that if the opposition kicked straight we would have lost. It doesn't take into account the rushed behinds, kicks under pressure and stupid attempts at goal that were never going to make it (looking at you S.Johnson).

 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

3 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Wrong.

Hogan barely attempted a lead or three quarters, he was forcing the midfield to sit it on his head.

mate this is garbage. Up until 3QT every inside 50 we had was Jesse in the middle of 20 blokes. In the last we somehow gave him some space and from that he clunked one, got a free from two others, and set up a fourth.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,872]

Hate the argument that if the opposition kicked straight we would have lost. It doesn't take into account the rushed behinds, kicks under pressure and stupid attempts at goal that were never going to make it (looking at you S.Johnson).

 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

3 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

I find that extremely hard to believe.

i find it representative of how rubbish some of the stats we use today are. For viney in particular, almost every possession he gets is under extreme pressure, often hacking it out of a glut of 10 players or more OF COURSE he is going to have a higher rate than most in terms of it going the  opposition's way, but the overall net gain of his influence massively outweighs this. It is the Vineys of the world that are the most important players on the ground. That's why any serious 'analyst'  who looks at stats like those should be beheaded

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

3 hours ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Just watched the final quarter again.

- Our first two goals were both started with a C. Oliver centre clearance.

- Jack Watts kicks a goal within 90 seconds, and his extravagant celebration with teammates comes with the clear message. "We can win this"

- Hogan 3 goals, one assist (shepherd on the line), a nice pass to Kennedy (who missed) and the match saving spoil. True definition of a 'match winner'.

- Kennedy was directly involved with 3 goals. He also thwarted a GWS forward thrust at a critical stage with a near 'impossible' spoil (i.e. running back with the flight without impeding his opponent).

- Garlett was involved in multiple scoring chains once pushed up the field.

- Tom McDonald very involved and regularly hit target by foot.

 

he went way out of his way to go to every player within 65 of the goal to rev them up, he did a little tour, when traditionally it is players going to the goalkicker, not the other way around. Absolutely made a statement that he wanted to drag us over the line

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

1 hour ago, praha said:

Jesus Christ...

Not sure what's worse, your comment or the fact 7 people liked it.

Melbourne controlled the play all day bar a few patches. They didn't capitalise but GWS had all the run and as you said, at times played like a team that *seemed* 10 goals ahead. 

But you know what? It was always a 50/50 contest. Even when they were 20 points up. We couldn't score, but we pushed them to the boundary and defended an explosive and transitioning team SUPERBLY.

Have you not watched this team for the past 4 seasons?

In 2012 that would have been a 15 goal loss.

They took it to us, we toyed with them, let them get some air, and then took control when it mattered.

That was a superb win. A great team effort. They didn't lose it. We won it. They wanted to play a certain way, and 9/10 we stopped them from playing their way.

It was 50/50 all day. Grunt vs speed. Defense vs attack. We took control and demanded attention at the pivotal moment.

We finally play like winners and that's the crap you post! Gee whiz!

not to mention the umpires were CONSTANTLY working against but we didn't let them break us. Big Max missed a regulation set shot after the 3QT siren, my head was literally hanging very low in my hands. It wasn't the same story for the 22 demons out there, they said EFF THIS, this is our match, and they took it

[Phadraig 760]

My favourite moment of the day

[What 18,810]

Firing up the whole team.  What has possessed Jack Watts, hes a completely new player chock full of confidence and its bloody brilliant to witness..

[chook fowler 19,459]

18 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

My favourite moment of the day

I've said many times before that Jack loves the club and there is no one happier after a win. Really hopes he stays a life-long Dee and he ends up being the legend that his talent demands.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Just...saved by the bell yesterday. Relieved. It was about how we responded after looking so shot in the third. 4 goals in 7 minutes. If two bursts at each end of matches is all we need, I'll take it. Players were ecstatic and any win to open the season should do that. Very impressed with Oliver, quick hands and read the ball well and he was only on the field for 58% of the game. Kennedy was also impressive in his first game, just like having another Garlett with the capability of playing up the ground. And Viney looked like a silky outside mid at times, could show he's truly ready to dominate.

If the Bombers (somehow) start to get a hold of us hopefully the fight in us this week will translate to next week. 

[Gorgoroth 12,963]

6 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

how can you say that after witnessing the final quarter demolition job we put on

The last quarter was a great quarter. And I'm stoked we won, but reality is they missed so many easy shots in the second and third quarter. I'm not saying we didn't deserve to win, we did, we took our chances they didn't. It was the reverse of the Carlton game last year. 

We will need to lift our intensity for the four quarters.

[Cards13 9,117]

14 hours ago, Redleg said:

Yes it's meant to be 10 metres, that was a joke. Then they pinged Kent for 12 steps, running into goal and then let Kelly have 20+ steps without penalty. 

Chamberlin was at his worst today.

Umpire 33 was worse they ray Ray today. Putrid!

[Pipefitter 2,163]

Jack Viney and Jack Watts highlights look like they were ripped straight from their TAC cup highlight videos. That's what we want to see. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, Pipefitter said:

Jack Viney and Jack Watts highlights look like they were ripped straight from their TAC cup highlight videos. That's what we want to see. 

It's funny you say that. The way Watts is playing is exactly what he did in those highlight videos, even how he is moving is the same.

[CBDees 3,167]

1 hour ago, Je Roos Salem said:

Just...saved by the bell yesterday. Relieved. It was about how we responded after looking so shot in the third. 4 goals in 7 minutes. If two bursts at each end of matches is all we need, I'll take it. Players were ecstatic and any win to open the season should do that. Very impressed with Oliver, quick hands and read the ball well and he was only on the field for 58% of the game. Kennedy was also impressive in his first game, just like having another Garlett with the capability of playing up the ground. And Viney looked like a silky outside mid at times, could show he's truly ready to dominate.

If the Bombers (somehow) start to get a hold of us hopefully the fight in us this week will translate to next week. 

Enjoyed being at the game but nervous at three quarter time due to the fact that they were not only ahead in the score but had so many extra scoring shots.

One negative that I noticed today was that whenever there was a pack going for a mark, Gawn persisted in punching the ball instead of using his height to clunk the mark. It happened too often and he has shown at training that he can take these contested marks.