On 14/08/2016 at 12:32, ProDee said:

Call it a bad red.

I thought you might have mis-read it.  I'm thick, but not THAT thick.

  On 14/08/2016 at 12:32, ProDee said:

Call it a bad red.

An off shiraz?

  On 14/08/2016 at 12:35, Redleg said:

An off shiraz?

Cameron Ling?

  On 14/08/2016 at 11:38, Wiseblood said:

A 20 year old key forward with 39 goals is not delivering?  Sheesh.

His second half of the year has been underwhelming, there is no doubt about that.  Whether he is carrying a few niggles, or just totally down on confidence, we aren't seeing the Hogan of last year or of early 2016.  

But, he's a kid.  They ALL have these periods and, as you say, we need to cut him some slack.  To suggest he isn't 'delivering' is disappointing and short sighted to say the least.

Wise I think you are missing my point and that is ~ is he a kid with flaws or is he a million dollar a year, game changing key forward? His agent thinks the latter and presumably so does Jesse. I think like you, he is a kid with potential but with a flawed kicking action and his form has been average in the second half of the season, to the point where he would be dropped if he didn't have this so called "once in a generation key forward" tag given to him by some in the media. He hasn't kicked a goal for how many weeks now? 

If it were up to me I would drop him this week and bring in the Weed because Jesse (and his agent) need a reality check and the Weed on his debut effort looked bloody good and played purely for the team. 

I would be more than happy if Jesse signed up tomorrow for a fair price but I am tired of his delaying tactics. If he demands a million plus a year I would be shopping him around for the best deal we can get. 

  On 14/08/2016 at 10:34, Ted Fidge said:

McKenna was on SEN a few weeks ago talking about this very thing.

Said it drives him mad watching most goal kickers these days. They spin the ball in their hands as they walk in. They move it from side to side. Their run up is at crooked angles.

Walk/run in in a straight line at at the target, drop the ball vertically down to your foot, keep your hand on it as long as you can, leg goes straight back and straight through. Goal.

I think this is the problem a few posters have. He's having a bad run, happens too the best of players, especially early in their careers.

  On 14/08/2016 at 13:02, Earl Hood said:

........ 

I would be more than happy if Jesse signed up tomorrow for a fair price but I am tired of his delaying tactics. If he demands a million plus a year I would be shopping him around for the best deal we can get. 

The kid still has over a year to go on his current contract. He doesn't have to do anything. 

I hope we lose to carllton next week so we can go back to venting on the team rather then nit picking minor isssue to dealth.

 

  On 14/08/2016 at 13:29, Unleash Hell said:

I hope we lose to carllton next week so we can go back to venting on the team rather then nit picking minor isssue to dealth.

 

No you don't. 

Do you? 

He's both a righty and a lefty.

Writes with left, bounces footy with left hand, kicks right but the holding action looks like he should kick with left.

And the stutter and angle approach makes him look all the more confusing.

Definitely needs adjustment to simplify over summer. It will affect accuracy and distance over his career.

On an unrelated matter, just saw Jesse Hogan at Crown casino, playing Texas holdem poker 2 tables away from me - $1/$2 blinds cash table

  On 14/08/2016 at 13:57, Maluski said:

On an unrelated matter, just saw Jesse Hogan at Crown casino, playing Texas holdem poker 2 tables away from me - $1/$2 blinds cash table

Can't he afford the $50/$100 tables? 

  On 14/08/2016 at 13:57, Maluski said:

On an unrelated matter, just saw Jesse Hogan at Crown casino, playing Texas holdem poker 2 tables away from me - $1/$2 blinds cash table

Which hand was he throwing his chips in with?

 

  On 14/08/2016 at 14:02, SaberFang said:

Can't he afford the $50/$100 tables? 

Lol, ye that's what I was thinking, surely he can afford a bit more. He must have gone all in within like 3 hands, because when I turned around to have a look like 6 mins later his seat was empty.

Probs a good thing, with the demons history of gambling issues ( the Ox and Daniel Ward and good old Neitzy scuffling with bouncers outside Crown, etc)

  On 14/08/2016 at 10:25, Wiseblood said:

So now that Oscar has proven him wrong, we can only assume that picket has tried to move on to something else to take the focus off that thread?

Nice try.

Edit - and, just for the record, Hogan will sort himself out.  He's 20.  Josh Kennedy had the same problems and he's going fine now.  We get ourselves worked up over nothing.

U are a goose. Oscar is now a "Superstar" after two games now is he?? I have NOT been proven wrong yet!

And I did not try for any leverage to get changed focus. And Yes I DO beleive Hogan has a major problem with his set shot routine!

So do many others. Lightweight!

  On 14/08/2016 at 11:47, Males said:

So you're saying that his field kicking and shots at goal inside 40m are bad? And I'm talking about on average, not after one bad game. I'm fairly certain I could look up a bad game from Dunstal and Locket and state they were crap kicks too in that case.

His set shot routine engenders NO Confidence!

His aporoach does not worry me any where near as much as his holding of tge ball and ball drop. He was holding it like a torp on sat night. 

If he had already re-signed not one single person would be getting negative on him. People are trying to calm themselves down by getting on his poor form as a way of rationalising to themselves that the world wont end if he leaves 

Its cos he has a wobbly gait and i would doubt he could fix it by now.  The other thing is that he is a gorilla forward and so - like Reiwoldt hawkins and cloke can be taken out of the equation by playing off him and double teaming .  Melbourne very definitely shoyldnt be offering him once in a generation pay packet because we will need the coin to keep our many emerging stars .

  On 14/08/2016 at 19:25, Gorgoroth said:

His aporoach does not worry me any where near as much as his holding of tge ball and ball drop. He was holding it like a torp on sat night. 

Yes - couldn't believe how awkward/misaligned the pill looked in his hands. Our Rolls Royce with 4 bald tyers. Also has best seat in the house watching the best kick in the league.

Re the stuttering run up - did Kennedy always have it? Looks better now. How was his accuracy with the big stutter?

  On 14/08/2016 at 13:24, Go the Biff said:

The kid still has over a year to go on his current contract. He doesn't have to do anything. 

true, but i don't think having the continual fanfare over his contract and future is doing his well being any good. the sooner it is sorted out the better for everyone, especially jesse

Hogan's run up isn't the issue because when he kicks the ball he is quite fluid in his movement. The issue is how he holds the ball and the fact that he cannot kick more than about 35 metres with any confidence.

Well we have a full pre-season to fix his kicking.  Though I'd hate us to do that so that another club reaps the long term benefit.  No contract = No lessons....

His field kicking was very poor on Saturday night as well as the inordinate amount of time he takes to make a decision after a mark or free kick

He looks completely off the MFC game pace at the moment and he needs to start playing like the rest of the team

he displays no real sense of urgency and his body language is still poor

needs a rest!

  On 14/08/2016 at 22:09, monoccular said:

Re the stuttering run up - did Kennedy always have it? Looks better now. How was his accuracy with the big stutter?

I cant get access to the footage to confirm this but someone else might. Was I correct in noticing that his shorter set shot miss he didnt have his normal stutter? I could have sworn he didnt stutter in for that one.