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Training - Friday 12th February, 2016


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12 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Some footage of Trengove training here.

Looking at Trengoves kicking, he doesn't seem to be uncomfortable on his right.

I wonder if coaches considered having part of each training session with players only using their opposite foot and hand to dispose  - it would be helpful for those predominantly one sided footballersto improve and be comfortable on their non preferred. Too late in a players development to worry about this ? A stupid idea ?

(I do recall that Greg Williams was such a gun handballer as he was compensating for his very ordinary foot skills. From mid time at Sydney he spent long hours practicing kicking and by the end of his career he was a  very reliable kick - albeit he was never a long kick)

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Just a note on Hulett, he has put on about 2.5kg already, they want him to play around 95-98k, he is 92.5 at the moment, not bad for an 18 yr old, looking forward to having a bit of fun at Casey

Viney’s tackle on T.Mac was beautiful. Tommy, as he does quite often, took too long to kick and Viney grabbed his wrist and right hip and just pulled him to ground. Not as brutal as the tackle on Tuesday, but as effective.  agreed

 

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8 minutes ago, mo64 said:

You have to remember that preseason match sim doesn't involve 18 on 18. You have more space, and can get away with a slightly errant disposal, that you won't get away with during the season proper. Good luck to Terlich and Jones, but can't see either of them getting a senior game unless we have a massive injury list.

agreed - but it is still good to have these guys are playing well so keep making others ahead of them perform.

For too long we have had discussions on a player out of form who should be dropped with the replies coming - who would you replace with him ? no-one else is kicking the door down to be selected.

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i wonder if the coaches are trying to get that silly thing out of Tmacs game where he always trys to take on his opponent , looks slow amd gets caught most times.

 

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There's something about Liam Hulett... I have this weird feeling we have found a massive diamond in the rough here. Not sure if anyone else shares the same thoughts?

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6 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

 


i wonder if the coaches are trying to get that silly thing out of Tmacs game where he always trys to take on his opponent , looks slow amd gets caught most times.

 

I dont think the issue is taking on the opponent - to me it is more an issue of taking too long to decide what to do or too long to dispose of the ball. He gets blindsided a bit by coming to halt when deciding what to do with the ball. 

 

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1 hour ago, Choke said:

 

Very surprised to read this. Do you think his performance merits inclusion in round 1?

I doubt it, but we want competition for spots.  I can certainly see him getting games this year on the back of injuries.  He'll get opportunities in the NAB challenge to press claims.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Is there scope for Bugg takeover the role that Viney did so well at last year, given his disposal is questionable?

Viney learnt heaps from good players last year, but I hope the tagging is over.  Bugg may get these jobs, along with Bernie. 

44 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

One player I haven't heard much of in the last few training reports is vandenBerg, how is he travelling?

Love him.  He was great again today and is looking in tip top condition.  Marked well and hit every target I saw.  He can be a real driver in making us better.  Brayshaw, who I didn't mention, was also very good.  But let's face it, they're dancing with their Sisters.  That said, intensity is good.

27 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

ProDee - you mention that Frost's kicking for goal will be a 'bit hit or miss'. Any chance you can expand on this? Is he a long kick? It seems he's inaccurate from your comment. Is this technique issue that can be fixed? Or is he simply a slightly unskilled defender trying to play forward?

I can't actually recall how he connects with the ball. Or how far he can kick it.

 

When he gets good contact there's no problem, but he has an issue with his ball drop.  He's a better field kick than set shot at goal.  Still, I did see him nail goals in practise.

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9 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

There's something about Liam Hulett... I have this weird feeling we have found a massive diamond in the rough here. Not sure if anyone else shares the same thoughts?

I reported a conversation I had with Jason Taylor about Hulett a while back, could be anything but shows the attributes to be an AFL player  his size is an attribute  only one of the newbies who wasn't pulled out of the last quarter of match sim

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5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Viney learnt heaps from good players last year, but I hope the tagging is over.  Bugg may get these jobs, along with Bernie. 

With a competitive ruckman in Gawn, are we not better off playing a run-with tagger like Vince ahead of a negating tagger like Bugg?

I'd prefer to have the likes of N.Jones, Tyson, Viney, Brayshaw, VDB and Vince at stoppages than Bugg. TBO, the only role I see for Bugg is a shut down role on medium/small half forwards.

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1 minute ago, mo64 said:

With a competitive ruckman in Gawn, are we not better off playing a run-with tagger like Vince ahead of a negating tagger like Bugg?

I'd prefer to have the likes of N.Jones, Tyson, Viney, Brayshaw, VDB and Vince at stoppages than Bugg. TBO, the only role I see for Bugg is a shut down role on medium/small half forwards.

We'll know more after NAB.

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If Matt Jones and Dean Terlich are even close to our best 22 then we've gone backwards.

I don't give a toss what they do at training, they've already proven they aren't capable AFL players in any way, shape or form.

It's great they are training the house down, under no pressure, which they've done for years.  I'm glad they are having a dip, but if they are anywhere near our side this year (unless we have no choice due to injuries) then every single supporter should be worried.  Very worried.

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3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If Matt Jones and Dean Terlich are even close to our best 22 then we've gone backwards.

I don't give a toss what they do at training, they've already proven they aren't capable AFL players in any way, shape or form.

It's great they are training the house down, under no pressure, which they've done for years.  I'm glad they are having a dip, but if they are anywhere near our side this year (unless we have no choice due to injuries) then every single supporter should be worried.  Very worried.

Let's see how they perform under a different game plan and team rules.

It just might make a difference.

That said, I share a similar sentiment.

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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

You had one last year and Matt Jones was a 'lock'.  Not surprised that you're not giving one now.  Not exactly your strong suit.

What a smart alec reply. Sniping from your keyboard again. Proud of yourself? 

Why don't you just refrain from reading his comments and making inane comments so that those of who appreciate Saty's comments can take them on board for what they are worth.

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1 hour ago, Chewie said:

By the time I arrived at Gosch’s at 10:30 the boys had been training for 45 minutes, so I missed the warm up and drills that followed. However, I did get to see the start of what was essentially an intra-club match (match sim) for the rest of the session. Three ‘quarters’ of approximately 20 minutes each with two AFL umpires officiating, one with curly hair and some other guy.

Firstly, I didn’t sight Dawes, Vince, Oliver, Newton, White, or Petracca- not to say that they weren’t there earlier or were on the other side of the ground. Max King, Lumumba and Trengove were in the rehab group in front of where I was watching, over on the Punt Rd side of the ground.

The remaining players were split into two teams-

Green bibs: Hogan, Watts, Frost, Garlett, Kent, Kennedy-Harris, Gawn, Tyson, Viney, M. Jones, Grimes, Stretch, Hunt, Garland, Wagner, Jetta, O. McDonald.

No bibs: Pedersen, Weideman, Hulett, Mitch King, Kennedy, Spencer, N. Jones, vandenBerg, Brayshaw, Michie, Harmes, Bugg, Neal-Bullen, Dunn, T. McDonald, Salem, Terlich.

I may have got a couple of those mixed up because I wasn’t taking notes but they’re pretty right.

Saty and ProDee have summed it up well. A few other things I noticed:

JKH started ‘on the bench’, came on to a contest in the goal-square and went straight off with something wrong with his upper leg/groin.  He lasted less than 5 minutes.

Terlich was good at buttering up and running out of congestion. A couple of less players on the field seems to suit a player like him.

Garland turned the ball over a couple of times- missing kicks to dangerous spots that resulted in rebound goals. As ProDee pointed out, both teams were guilty of this but I guess the one positive was that conversely they were able to take full advantage of the error and quickly move the ball forward for a goal.

vandenBerg knows where to run when his teammates have the ball.

Gawn continued his great preseason, working hard up and down the ground. Although he may have dropped a couple of marks, he did take a nice contested mark in the goal-square and also took a nonchalant one-hander running into goal on the end of a good passage of play.

Hunt and Harmes were good- they tried hard and although they made a few mistakes they kept backing themselves and taking the game on. Selection for the first few rounds is going to be very interesting.

Weideman uses his body well in marking contests but just couldn’t hang onto the ball today. Hulett shows promise- he is a natural forward.

Viney’s tackle on T.Mac was beautiful. Tommy, as he does quite often, took too long to kick and Viney grabbed his wrist and right hip and just pulled him to ground. Not as brutal as the tackle on Tuesday, but as effective.

Thanks for that and welcome to the nut house.

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4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

What a smart alec reply. Sniping from your keyboard again. Proud of yourself? 

Why don't you just refrain from reading his comments and making inane comments so that those of who appreciate Saty's comments can take them on board for what they are worth.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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29 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If Matt Jones and Dean Terlich are even close to our best 22 then we've gone backwards.

I don't give a toss what they do at training, they've already proven they aren't capable AFL players in any way, shape or form.

It's great they are training the house down, under no pressure, which they've done for years.  I'm glad they are having a dip, but if they are anywhere near our side this year (unless we have no choice due to injuries) then every single supporter should be worried.  Very worried.

You are the biggest hypocrite on this forum. Anyone slags off one of your favourites, and you're all over them (see Dawes thread). But you are happy to take pot shots at other players and posters whenever it suits.

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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Cheers Pro Dee, Saty and Chewie.

Quick question where is Max King at? Seems to have vanished from the face of the earth. Had high hopes for him but i don't he has done any training at all this summer.

Yeah, I'm a bit of a rap for Max.  He's been in rehab groups every time I've been to training.   But he's running well and having a kick.  Not sure what's wrong but he doesn't look far away. 

Mitch King looks a likely prospect too.

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1 hour ago, Chewie said:

By the time I arrived at Gosch’s at 10:30 the boys had been training for 45 minutes, so I missed the warm up and drills that followed. However, I did get to see the start of what was essentially an intra-club match (match sim) for the rest of the session. Three ‘quarters’ of approximately 20 minutes each with two AFL umpires officiating, one with curly hair and some other guy.

Firstly, I didn’t sight Dawes, Vince, Oliver, Newton, White, or Petracca- not to say that they weren’t there earlier or were on the other side of the ground. Max King, Lumumba and Trengove were in the rehab group in front of where I was watching, over on the Punt Rd side of the ground.

The remaining players were split into two teams-

Green bibs: Hogan, Watts, Frost, Garlett, Kent, Kennedy-Harris, Gawn, Tyson, Viney, M. Jones, Grimes, Stretch, Hunt, Garland, Wagner, Jetta, O. McDonald.

No bibs: Pedersen, Weideman, Hulett, Mitch King, Kennedy, Spencer, N. Jones, vandenBerg, Brayshaw, Michie, Harmes, Bugg, Neal-Bullen, Dunn, T. McDonald, Salem, Terlich.

I may have got a couple of those mixed up because I wasn’t taking notes but they’re pretty right.

Saty and ProDee have summed it up well. A few other things I noticed:

JKH started ‘on the bench’, came on to a contest in the goal-square and went straight off with something wrong with his upper leg/groin.  He lasted less than 5 minutes.

Terlich was good at buttering up and running out of congestion. A couple of less players on the field seems to suit a player like him.

Garland turned the ball over a couple of times- missing kicks to dangerous spots that resulted in rebound goals. As ProDee pointed out, both teams were guilty of this but I guess the one positive was that conversely they were able to take full advantage of the error and quickly move the ball forward for a goal.

vandenBerg knows where to run when his teammates have the ball.

Gawn continued his great preseason, working hard up and down the ground. Although he may have dropped a couple of marks, he did take a nice contested mark in the goal-square and also took a nonchalant one-hander running into goal on the end of a good passage of play.

Hunt and Harmes were good- they tried hard and although they made a few mistakes they kept backing themselves and taking the game on. Selection for the first few rounds is going to be very interesting.

Weideman uses his body well in marking contests but just couldn’t hang onto the ball today. Hulett shows promise- he is a natural forward.

Viney’s tackle on T.Mac was beautiful. Tommy, as he does quite often, took too long to kick and Viney grabbed his wrist and right hip and just pulled him to ground. Not as brutal as the tackle on Tuesday, but as effective.

When I keep hearing this from the training reports it continues to worry me. Its only match sim and the pressure is a lot less than in a real game which makes it worse IMO.

Thanks for the reports guys, greatly appreciated.

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2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Yeah, I'm a bit of a rap for Max.  He's been in rehab groups every time I've been to training.   But he's running well and having a kick.  Not sure what's wrong but he doesn't look far away. 

Mitch King looks a likely prospect too.

Does he look to have put on any bulk?

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41 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If Matt Jones and Dean Terlich are even close to our best 22 then we've gone backwards.

We've supposedly got some of the best development coaches in the league. Why should people be surprised if there's some actual ... development.

Yes, even to players who we thought had none left in them.

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1 hour ago, Chewie said:

 

Viney's tackle on T.Mac was beautiful. Tommy, as he does quite often, took too long to kick and Viney grabbed his wrist and right hip and just pulled him to ground. Not as brutal as the tackle on Tuesday, but as effective.

 

Im glad someone's there to physically punish McDonald every time he gets caught stuffing around with it. Imagine the player he'll be, when he no longer makes you nervous every time he gets the ball.

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