Training - Tuesday 9th February, 2016

[beelzebub 23,378]

28 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Before that body slam he fought 3 of them off as well.  Then pretty boy Hird comes over looking to get involved and gets duly smashed by the Ox.  Love it!

didnt slam the shlt hard enough it seems !!

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

6 hours ago, Munga said:

A subjective view of a player. wont rate a player higher just because MFC drafted him. hoping to be proven wrong but just dont see top 3 talent at this stage. observed 3 training sessions so far this pre season, (including 2 in Maroochydore) and dont see what we were witnessing from Salem, brayshaw, petracca or Kent during their first pre-seasons. A top 3 talent should look good in skills sessions. Oliver doesnt.

It is a shame we aren't seeing skills early on like we did with Toumpas, Watts, Morton, Blease, Strauss, Tapscott and Maric.

[Salems Lot 2,535]

Tapscott started like a gun but could not sustain it sadly. One of my big disappointments

[Late Draft Pick 48]

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ripper photos from Getty..

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/search/events/603929499?excludenudity=true&family=editorial&page=1&sort=best&phrase=

Yes, great pics but also so many good ones from Outside Fifty in case anyone's missed them on p3 of this thread.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,793]

14 hours ago, Eyes on Red & Blue said:

I note that Collingwood is today among friends. If I recall correctly Ararat used to (still does?) host Victoria's prison for the criminally insane (ie, those found not guilty by reason of insanity).

Collingwood FC ‏@CollingwoodFC  19m19 minutes ago

The calm before the storm... Day two of our #AFLCommunityCamp starts NOW in Ararat. #gopies

[Late Draft Pick 48]

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ripper photos from Getty..

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/search/events/603929499?excludenudity=true&family=editorial&page=1&sort=best&phrase=

Yes, great pics but also so many good ones from Outside Fifty in case anyone's missed them on p3 of this thread.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,793]

14 hours ago, Eyes on Red & Blue said:

I note that Collingwood is today among friends. If I recall correctly Ararat used to (still does?) host Victoria's prison for the criminally insane (ie, those found not guilty by reason of insanity).

Collingwood FC ‏@CollingwoodFC  19m19 minutes ago

The calm before the storm... Day two of our #AFLCommunityCamp starts NOW in Ararat. #gopies

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12 hours ago, Munga said:

calling it early. messed this pick up. a top 5 draft pick should at least be showing skills in preseason. have not seen one positive comment regarding olivers skill level so far. yes, hes hard at and a good size............

This may surprise you, but it's not overly important - as long as it's AFL standard, which I'm sure it will be.

Oliver's strengths lie in his clearance ability, agility (third at the draft combine 8.11), size, burst speed (for an inside mid), reading of the play, and terrific vision and decision making with handballs in congestion.  While he's a "straight ahead" player, he also backs his evasive skills.

I don't think he's an elite kick by any stretch, but I think his long kicking is good and shorter kicking adequate and will get better.  He kicks it well enough to score 30 out of 30 in the draft combine goal-kicking test.

Fyfe and Dangerfield shank plenty of kicks.  James Hird was never a great kick and did you ever see him kick on his left ?  There aren't many elite kicks in the competition and some superb footballers haven't been great kicks.  As mentioned, Fyfe is arguably the best player in the competition, but no-one would go to training and rate his kicking ability.

I've been to a few training sessions and really like what I see with Oliver. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by ProDee

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Injury risk sparked Demons scuffle: Jones

Response from the Cap regarding the scuffle.

[jnrmac 20,093]

2 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Don't forget Hardwick and Wallis practically assulting Brad green either. 

Practically? they smashed his windpipe and he coudn't breathe.

[Lucifers Hero 39,838]

11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Injury risk sparked Demons scuffle: Jones

Response from the Cap regarding the scuffle.

Nicely handled by the captain:  Managed to give Viney a message ("The scuffle...came about after Viney broke a crucial unwritten rule: don't smash your teammates in training) and downplayed the episode at the same time! ("At times, it's a split second decision and accidents happen.")

Our captain gets better by the day!

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

30 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Nicely handled by the captain:  Managed to give Viney a message ("The scuffle...came about after Viney broke a crucial unwritten rule: don't smash your teammates in training) and downplayed the episode at the same time! ("At times, it's a split second decision and accidents happen.")

Our captain gets better by the day!

Exactly the point i was making yesterday. Pity guys like Dee-luded still think we are living in the 80s where its ok now to smash blokes at training to the point where its ok to miss a couple of weeks through injury because it makes a 'boys to men culture".....

Well done to the skip pulling it up too.

[dee-luded 2,959]

11 hours ago, autocol said:

The reason to practice with a numbers advantage for the offence is so that the team gets a feel for how the play flows when it works. It helps them work out where to run to create the correct 'next option'. As they get better at it, you add defenders.

If you start with even numbers or a defensive advantage, they don't get the opportunity to learn the running patterns that open up the play.

thanks autocol

 

3 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

It does go someway to explaining the obvious disdain he has had for our club over the years ....actually was surprised he even interviewed for the coaching gig after daniher left in 07 . Remember hearing something about him having a go at us on radio because he didn't put together a PowerPoint pack on his view of the world and that didn't go down too well with the selection panel  (not sure how much truth there is to that or if it's just Martians at it again!)

yes, we need some tough as nails players ourselves, & cutout any prima-donna's.

3 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Don't forget Hardwick and Wallis practically assulting Brad green either. 

they took to our suspect players from the getgo.... all clubs would in a Grand Final if you carry suspect soft nice types.  just as they should.  its not soccer. or chess.

 

they didn't go after Schwarta, Neita or Whelan from the get go.  they chose the weakest links in our chain.

Edited February 10, 2016 by dee-luded

[daisycutter 29,616]

tell that to dermie then

[dee-luded 2,959]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

didnt slam the shlt hard enough it seems !!

Your right blzb,,,  should have given him a sneak peak of Beijing with the slam.

33 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly the point i was making yesterday. Pity guys like Dee-luded still think we are living in the 80s where its ok now to smash blokes at training to the point where its ok to miss a couple of weeks through injury because it makes a 'boys to men culture".....

Well done to the skip pulling it up too.

thing is, I don't agree with that sentiment, dd36.  in our case..  

 

....   because we must shed that old soft skin that loves nothing more than scurrying away from hostilities.   'ours like to go and hide'  & have the wounds soothed up in the North.  that's where our softness safely resides,  & thats where it keeps getting reborn & re-injected... into our footy souls.

 

33 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly the point i was making yesterday. Pity guys like Dee-luded still think we are living in the 80s where its ok now to smash blokes at training to the point where its ok to miss a couple of weeks through injury because it makes a 'boys to men culture".....

Well done to the skip pulling it up too.

no, you miss the point again.

its not OK to king hit a teammate or punch from behind..  If a face to face fisty-cuffs happens,  they should be sent into the rooms to don the gloves.

skip Jones doesn't have the softness.

 

but as a club,  & collective group,   we have the worst case of it (softness) in the league currently...  because we so heartily desire the political correctness.  This desire to be so correct is what crushes our players natural hunting aggressive instinct.  So they turn to trying to be a millionaire.   this is seen as desirable,  & within the Norths rules of etiquette.

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Edited February 10, 2016 by dee-luded

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

1 minute ago, dee-luded said:

....   because we must shed that old soft skin that loves nothing more than scurrying away from hostilities.   'ours like to go and hide'  & have the wounds soothed up in the North.  that's where our softness safely resides,  & thats where it keeps getting reborn & re-injected... into our footy souls.

Bizarre imagery.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

We all love the way Viney goes about his footy, but this incident just reinforces my belief that Brayshaw is our next captain.

[dee-luded 2,959]

2 minutes ago, Elusive Tunbridge said:

We all love the way Viney goes about his footy, but this incident just reinforces my belief that Brayshaw is our next captain.

its a 'michael long' way out,  just yet ET

[ManDee 7,153]

Just bizarre.

[Slartibartfast 17,299]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly the point i was making yesterday. Pity guys like Dee-luded still think we are living in the 80s where its ok now to smash blokes at training to the point where its ok to miss a couple of weeks through injury because it makes a 'boys to men culture".....

Well done to the skip pulling it up too.

Dazzle the reality is those people supporting Viney and loving his aggression (as we all do) would be spitting chips is Terlich did that to Hogan who dislocated his shoulder and missed a season.  I can see the meltdown here if that happened.

Frankly it's just dumb and it's why the club has told Viney to wind it back and the the skip has given Viney a clip.

[Frank Grimes 121]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Nicely handled by the captain:  Managed to give Viney a message ("The scuffle...came about after Viney broke a crucial unwritten rule: don't smash your teammates in training) and downplayed the episode at the same time! ("At times, it's a split second decision and accidents happen.")

Our captain gets better by the day!

I believe that's the author of the article saying that, not Nathan Jones. If you look at the article there are no quotes around it

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

27 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Dazzle the reality is those people supporting Viney and loving his aggression (as we all do) would be spitting chips is Terlich did that to Hogan who dislocated his shoulder and missed a season.  I can see the meltdown here if that happened.

Frankly it's just dumb and it's why the club has told Viney to wind it back and the the skip has given Viney a clip.

Spot on..

And i am not once condoning the tough competitiveness at training i think its fantastic. But like Jones said we don't need to be going extreme to the point where you injure your own team and he has to pay the price for someone else's stupidity.

As ET said.. he has a long way to be considered even the captain. Brayshaw is my pick aswell.

[dee-luded 2,959]

39 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Dazzle the reality is those people supporting Viney and loving his aggression (as we all do) would be spitting chips is Terlich did that to Hogan who dislocated his shoulder and missed a season.  I can see the meltdown here if that happened.

Frankly it's just dumb and it's why the club has told Viney to wind it back and the the skip has given Viney a clip.

wrong again bob.  you just don't get it, & your time at the club off field may have set us back a long time years back.

 

your analogy is off the mark,  & totally irrelevant to changing to an onfield combative culture....  your soft & no footy background probably took us further away from getting to being a stronger footy club.

[Lucifers Hero 39,838]

23 minutes ago, Frank Grimes said:

I believe that's the author of the article saying that, not Nathan Jones. If you look at the article there are no quotes around it

I noticed that but it looked as if the author was paraphrasing Jones so I "quoted" the author but I can see it looks like it was quoting Jones.  Jones is quoted as saying: 

"Not hurting one another's the main thing," Jones said.

"We try to sort of not dump blokes in tackles.

Be it those specific quotes or the paraphrasing there seems little doubt there was a message for Viney.

I thought Jones handled it really well either way.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[boydie 655]

3 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

Tapscott started like a gun but could not sustain it sadly. One of my big disappointments

Built like a tank but that's where the similarity ended.

Unfortunately had no tank and despite being built like a tank was susceptible to breakdowns regularly.