THE BOMBERS' SWISS ADVENTURE

[SaberFang 7,151]

It's been an illuminating 4 years for anyone silly enough to put their faith in garbage like News Limited media over Fairfax publications.

News Limited have been disgustingly biased.

[Lucifers Hero 39,045]

7 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Wait  until the  fat  plodder  jab has to hand his  brownlow  back.  The squeals from the brain dead  efc fans  will be  heard in space.

Or wait till the 'request to appeal' (or whatever the right words are) is denied.  There will then be no appeal at all. 

The hue and cry about being denied justice will be deafening.  Then those 'brain dead' fans (and media, AFLPA etc) can add the Swiss Federal Tribunal to their long list of 'bad guys'!!! 

From what other posters have said the 'appeal' is part of a chess game with the insurance coy.  So presumably the players won't care if 'request to appeal' is denied.  Beginning to look like a very big, very expensive charade!

[beelzebub 23,245]

11 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This sums up pretty well why I question who is advising the Essendon players and what are they hoping to achieve because it won't clear the players' names - Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Court.

 

WOW...just WOW.... Someone actually knows wtf they are talking about. All the fact, no bias. Give this guy a Walkley !!!

[beelzebub 23,245]

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

"So the AFL rules did change, but can any amount of legal hocus-pocus give the players any sound basis of appeal? The short answer is, no; such an appeal will fail. The mere fact the AFL's rules did not expressly state WADA had untrammelled appeal rights does not mean WADA's rights were limited."

The rules only changed in so much as to make a relevance into a definite from an inferred. The gist of the background changed not one iota. This is the salient point either not understood by the idiots or conveniently ignored because it doesnt help their argument.  ( then again ...nothing does...lol ) 

[monoccular 17,345]

16 hours ago, daisycutter said:

given essendon's generous contribution to schadenfreude recently, it seems very appropriate that the cas court hearings will be conducted in the deutsche sprache

I understood that it was to be heard en francaise.

Part of EFC's long term contingency plan was to send St James, and of course his lovely high flying lawyer spouse, to Paris so that they could learn French, so that in the highly unlikely (in their distorted view of life) event they were found guilty they would be in a really strong position to fully stand up for the rights of his badly victimized boys.  What lovely dedicated people, who we have so badly misjudged. 

[jnrmac 19,931]

On 2/11/2016 at 6:55 PM, SaberFang said:

I'm pretty convinced the appeal will never get up. Their entire argument is ridiculous.

It would take a grievous error in CAS' judgment for the appeals board to even contemplate a hearing, something as drastic as WADA using fraudulent evidence in their case. I'm not even sure new evidence from Essendon would be admissible in an appeal (not that this would ever happen, as we're endlessly reminded, "there's no proof they took any drugs!"

I suspect the biggest chance is the fact that all players were treated the same in terms of penalties. But the lack of records probs means that players can't claim they were/werent given certain substances.

Its interesting that Hal Hunter went through the injection regime but didn't sign a waiver form. Hence he was not charged. The forms are therefore likley to be the most compelling evidence..  

 

[beelzebub 23,245]

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I suspect the biggest chance is the fact that all players were treated the same in terms of penalties. But the lack of records probs means that players can't claim they were/werent given certain substances.

Its interesting that Hal Hunter went through the injection regime but didn't sign a waiver form. Hence he was not charged. The forms are therefore likley to be the most compelling evidence..  

 

and NONE of that is relevant to the criteria available regarding an appeal to the Swiss court regarding a CAS verdict

[Crompton's the man 659]

13 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This sums up pretty well why I question who is advising the Essendon players and what are they hoping to achieve because it won't clear the players' names - Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Court.

 

Apologies for labouring the matter but this article should be required reading for anyone who follows any football code

Appeal = waste of money =  contribution to nefarious lawyers' Superannuation Fund 

13 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

 

 

[junk 342]

The appeal will end up like swiss cheese and that's nothing to yoddle about. Can we please let the Essendon saga rest. Oh so boring !!!!!!! 

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

Beveridge coming from Hawthorn and speaking as such should concern a lot of people.

Got a funny feeling someone in the media is going to come across some records of confusion. Getting near the point of no return now.

[M_9 2,012]

For those of you not familiar with Darren Kane's work, here are the bylines to articles he has written over the past year or so:

No need for Essendon players caught up in doping inquiry to kowtow to ASADA

Time for James Hird to inspire

Bombers, James Hird in game of high-stakes poker with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

AFL discovering too late WADA code doesn't neatly fit professional sport

Why ASADA's case against Essendon players fell apart

Alphabet soup: WADA won't fare any better than ASADA at CAS

Why Essendon 34 could have a chance if they appealed CAS decision

Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Tribunal

I suspect that he'd be the type of punter that has 9 Win bets in a 9 horse race.

[daisycutter 29,429]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

For those of you not familiar with Darren Kane's work, here are the bylines to articles he has written over the past year or so:

No need for Essendon players caught up in doping inquiry to kowtow to ASADA

Time for James Hird to inspire

Bombers, James Hird in game of high-stakes poker with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

AFL discovering too late WADA code doesn't neatly fit professional sport

Why ASADA's case against Essendon players fell apart

Alphabet soup: WADA won't fare any better than ASADA at CAS

Why Essendon 34 could have a chance if they appealed CAS decision

Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Tribunal

I suspect that he'd be the type of punter that has 9 Win bets in a 9 horse race.

good pickup m9, i had a suspicion he was all over the place, but thought i may have mixed him up with someone else

[Cards13 9,117]

So he appears to finally have seen the light?

[Crompton's the man 659]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

For those of you not familiar with Darren Kane's work, here are the bylines to articles he has written over the past year or so:

No need for Essendon players caught up in doping inquiry to kowtow to ASADA

Time for James Hird to inspire

Bombers, James Hird in game of high-stakes poker with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

AFL discovering too late WADA code doesn't neatly fit professional sport

Why ASADA's case against Essendon players fell apart

Alphabet soup: WADA won't fare any better than ASADA at CAS

Why Essendon 34 could have a chance if they appealed CAS decision

Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Tribunal

I suspect that he'd be the type of punter that has 9 Win bets in a 9 horse race.

Ouch

[beelzebub 23,245]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

For those of you not familiar with Darren Kane's work, here are the bylines to articles he has written over the past year or so:

No need for Essendon players caught up in doping inquiry to kowtow to ASADA

Time for James Hird to inspire

Bombers, James Hird in game of high-stakes poker with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

AFL discovering too late WADA code doesn't neatly fit professional sport

Why ASADA's case against Essendon players fell apart

Alphabet soup: WADA won't fare any better than ASADA at CAS

Why Essendon 34 could have a chance if they appealed CAS decision

Essendon players taking a knife to a gun fight at Swiss Federal Tribunal

I suspect that he'd be the type of punter that has 9 Win bets in a 9 horse race.

Must had a off day with last article and accidentally got it right !!

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Must had a off day with last article and accidentally got it right !!

But what if, true to form, he's still wrong?

[beelzebub 23,245]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

But what if, true to form, he's still wrong?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day ...

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

2 hours ago, Cards13 said:

So he appears to finally have seen the light?

Or he may have seen the CAS report. Lots of people have had their mind changed after seeing factual information unadulterated by fanboy media and fanboy CEOs.

He has been duped. The media went rogue. And Senator Di Natale needs to self report to the estimates committee.

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

6 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Or he may have seen the CAS report. Lots of people have had their mind changed after seeing factual information unadulterated by fanboy media and fanboy CEOs.

He has been duped. The media went rogue. And Senator Di Natale needs to self report to the estimates committee.

Di Natale and Madigan puffing themselves up to grill McDevitt. He must be terrified.

[Whispering_Jack 29,334]

Titus O'Reily's invaluable Understanding Switzerland and its legal system

[John Crow Batty 8,824]

12 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Titus O'Reily's invaluable Understanding Switzerland and its legal system

I thought they still did trial by ordeal over there. Something like you know, put an apple on the accused head and shoot at it with an arrow at a 120 paces. The archer hits the apple and the accused goes free. I guess an appeal would be done with the archer blindfolded.

Edited February 13, 2016 by america de cali

[beelzebub 23,245]

14 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

Di Natale and Madigan puffing themselves up to grill McDevitt. He must be terrified.

Hilarious eh. 

Might just backfire on the pollies

Shlt will fly lol

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

13 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

Di Natale and Madigan puffing themselves up to grill McDevitt. He must be terrified.

I recall the heady days when Kerry Packer was hauled before the senate to be hung drawn and quartered over his media practices.

I reckon some of those parliamentarians might still suffer nervous tics when they hear the word "Packer".

Reminded of that for some reason.

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

10 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Hilarious eh. 

Might just backfire on the pollies

Shlt will fly lol

I don't know who else is on the estimates committee at the moment, but Di Natale and Madigan are likely to make Old Dee's wet tram tickets seem like knuckledusters.

[Lucifers Hero 39,045]

Shortly after CAS suspensions were announced, I predicted that someone eg EFC Coteries would find training facilities for suspended players and hire a recently retired AFL/VFL coach/fitness staff. Well, it could just happen:   Malthouse to coach suspended EFC players!! http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-mick-malthouse-in-talks-on-coaching-suspended-dons-20160213-gmtbil.html  Malthouse would be accompanied by his long-time fitness sidekick David Buttifant

Quote:  "There is also a question about how such a program would be funded, whether it could be paid by Essendon, the AFLPA, the AFL, the players themselves or  another method".  The answer to this will be interesting an whether it violates the WADA suspension rules".

Knowing the AFL's slickness it will find a way to fund the players training and coaching. 

Not sure whether I'm glad or disappointed my prediction may come to pass.  I guess the players are entitled to keep fit and prepare for 2017.  But I believe any funding should not come from the AFL/AFLPA as that is money that belongs to the game and other clubs!

It is just so damn frustrating players are being feted by all and sundry.  They will come out of this like martyrs!!

Edit:  Here is an updated article.  http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-mick-malthouse-is-the-right-man-for-exiled-dons-20160213-gmtdxb.html Pours a bit of cold water on the idea of Malthouse  coaching.  Interesting article as it lists a lot of the do's/don'ts for players while suspended.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero