NATIONAL DRAFT PICKS 45 & 49

[Brayshaw Self 847]

I agree with you but since when was Bugg a forward option?

He has played as a defensive forward with some success but it is definitely not his best position

[dazzledavey36 54,946]

These two picks id use on a big bodied developing ruckman and a tall outside wingman with some speed and creativity.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

These two picks id use on a big bodied developing ruckman and a tall outside wingman with some speed and creativity.

Sounds like your speaking about Andre Parella (ruck) & Greg Clark (wing).

[dazzledavey36 54,946]

Sounds like your speaking about Andre Parella (ruck) & Greg Clark (wing).

That Andre Parella is a man nountain. Would definitely be my first preference. I like Greg Clark aswell. Hard running player who is expected to fall that way. Closest i have seen to the next Andrew Embley.

[Middymalt 244]

I reckon Matt Jones is okay.

Not sure why posters keep wanting the club to pay out his contract.

For a start, this should be an absolute last resort act, which should not be lightly entertained. It creates all sorts of list management issues, not to even touch upon the impact it can have upon a list culturally.

Matt Jones couldn't hit the side of a barn from 30 meters he proved that at Fremantle towards the end of the season pay him out

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

I agree with you but since when was Bugg a forward option?

He has played up there in the past. Not really the point of the post, though. We don't need any more small forwards at the moment.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

I think we should take Francis, not on the assumption that he is going to be a gun midfielder, but on the basis of him being a very good player. The only question for me is - how do we go about getting Francis and Parish to the MFC? Do we take Parish first and hope Francis slides through to 7? Or vice versa.

Do you think Francis will be available at pick 40ish?

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Really like the look of Sam Skinner, particularly in the AIS vs Werribee match - No. 26 if my spidey senses are correct.

197cm / 96kgs with a real competitive streak about him. Can't see any reason why we couldn't get him with a later pick but I can't see him lasting to the Rookie Draft. Pretty sure he was a highly rated junior coming into this past season.

I know he did his ACL and everything, but has rehabbed well and for me just presents an opportunity to get a quality tall on the cheap a bit like what we did with Max Gawn given he had done an ACL before we drafted him.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Really like the look of Sam Skinner, particularly in the AIS vs Werribee match - No. 26 if my spidey senses are correct.

197cm / 96kgs with a real competitive streak about him. Can't see any reason why we couldn't get him with a later pick but I can't see him lasting to the Rookie Draft. Pretty sure he was a highly rated junior coming into this past season.

I know he did his ACL and everything, but has rehabbed well and for me just presents an opportunity to get a quality tall on the cheap a bit like what we did with Max Gawn given he had done an ACL before we drafted him.

My mail is the Doggies are into Skinner and may use a 2nd round pick on him.

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

My mail is the Doggies are into Skinner and may use a 2nd round pick on him.

So they have approx. pick 26, 27 & 47

We have approx. pick 41 & 46

Would you use pick 26 or 27 on him? Was pegged as a late first round/ early rounder before his injury, so that feels like a bit of a stretch.

The good thing is we have the pick just before them in the 40's.

[dazzledavey36 54,946]

So they have approx. pick 26, 27 & 47

We have approx. pick 41 & 46

Would you use pick 26 or 27 on him? Was pegged as a late first round/ early rounder before his injury, so that feels like a bit of a stretch.

The good thing is we have the pick just before them in the 40's.

Actually currently we only have pick 46.. need to delist another player to open up another spot.

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Actually currently we only have pick 46.. need to delist another player to open up another spot.

Can't see us using 46 on Vander's upgrade. What do you think we'll do? Do you reckon we'll de-list someone

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[dazzledavey36 54,946]

Can't see us using 46 on Vander's upgrade. What do you think we'll do? Do you reckon we'll de-list someone

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Unless Viv isn't delisted today i actually dont know whats going to happened. The obvious would be just to pay out Terlich..

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

Hoping for David Cunningham at this 3rd round pick. Very impressive for Oakleigh Chargers in TAC grand final in under 18s.

Pace, smart choices and attacking competitive type of player. We need pace and run. Suit on a wing or half fwd. Reminds me of Isaac Smith type.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

So they have approx. pick 26, 27 & 47

We have approx. pick 41 & 46

Would you use pick 26 or 27 on him? Was pegged as a late first round/ early rounder before his injury, so that feels like a bit of a stretch.

The good thing is we have the pick just before them in the 40's.

Well Doggies got rid of Talia. Tom Williams also retired last year & Morris isn't getting any younger, so they may use Pick 27 on Skinner if they think he may not last to 47.

He's one of those players who could go anywhere from about Pick 20 onwards.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

This is 31-46 on the AFL's draft machine.

David Cuningham

MID 18 20–45 184cm 80kg

Ben Crocker

FWD 18 20–50 185cm 84kg

Aidyn Johnson

FWD 18 20–50 184cm 75kg

Brayden Fiorini

MID 18 25–50 187cm 76kg

Alex Morgan

DEF 19 25–50 181cm 79kg

Harrison Himmelberg

FWD 19 25–50 194cm 87kg

Bailey Rice

DEF 18 25–50 184cm 83kg

Blake Hardwick

FWD 18 25–60 181cm 79kg

Mitch Brown

MID 19 25–60 196cm 93kg

Jesse Glass-McCasker

DEF 18 30–60 196cm 91kg

Corey Wagner

DEF 21 30–60 180cm 74kg

Brandon White

DEF 18 30–60 189cm 79kg

Matthew Allen

FWD 18 35–60 193cm 72kg

Kurt Mutimer

MID 18 35–60 185cm 81kg

Thomas Glen

MID 18 30–70 187cm 75kg

Mason Redman

FWD 18 35–70 186cm 77kg

You never know who will get through but most of the top 30 are well regarded. So far there hasn't been much concern about personality or family drama with any of them.

I'm not sure we are in the market for a key defender and my personal preference is to avoid late round tall forwards, it's hard to find the right combination of skill, athleticism and physicality. Himmelberg is tied to GWS as well, whether they take him or not is a different matter.

So that leaves a lot of midfielders and flankers.

Cuningham is a great prospect but doubt he lasts. Mutimer seems the kind of competitive, strong over head, left footer, dandy stringray who'd the fans would warm to. White is another Stingray who looks to have dash and left foot, good size as well, is he related to Mitch White? Aidyn Johnson does a heap wrong but his line breaking talent is obvious. And that last name on the list Mason Redman might be the pick of the bunch, he's a straight running, clean marking type.

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

Harrison Himmelberg ... wow thats hollywood like.

Surely GWS will match if they have the points.

Cunningham and Redman for me.

Edited November 11, 2015 by spirit of norm smith

[H_T 3,047]

Picks 46,50 for me are like...

So I threw a dart.......James Parsons interests me for speed. Played with Vic Metro.

Edited November 17, 2015 by H_T
Update

[beelzebub 23,377]

Picks 46,50 for me are like...

I'm struggling with 3 and 7 these are way beyond mt ability to comprehend but I applaud those who can.

Think darts may be a bit too easu

[Salems Lot 2,535]

Glass-McCasker for me in name alone! Best said in a strong Braaghton Ahccsent!

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

I'm struggling with 3 and 7 these are way beyond mt ability to comprehend but I applaud those who can.

Think darts may be a bit too easu

Based on Taylor's interview from the combine, the recruiting staff seem pretty confident of getting some decent talent at these picks. I'm not sure whether that means that they have a couple of clearly identified targets that they believe will still be available, whether they rate this year's draft class much more highly than others do, or whether it's all just smoke and mirrors. I've been very impressed with Viney and Taylor's track record with late picks, so I'm guessing that it's the former.

Here's our record since Viney joined the recruiting team (2012) and Taylor took charge (2013):

2012: Jesse Hogan (Mini-Draft 2), Toumpas (4), Jack Viney (26FS), Kent (48), M. Jones (52), Terlich (68), Stark (RD3), Clisby (RD19)

2013: Salem (9), Kennedy-Harris (40), Hunt (57), Harmes (RD2), King (RD19), Georgiou (RD35), Jetta (RD50)

2014: Petracca (2), Brayshaw (3), Neal-Bullen (40), Stretch (42FS), McDonald (53), vandenBerg (RD2), White (RD20)

Out of that group, I'd argue that at this stage the only misses are Toumpas, Stark & Clisby.

Of the other players that may be argued as misses (M. Jones, Terlich, Hunt, King, Georgiou), 4 are still on the list. Georgiou played an important role for us in 2014 as our backline moved away from being Frawley-centric, Terlich & Jones have both finished top 5 in the Bluey, and the jury's still out on Hunt and King, but both still have a fair bit of upside.

I think that Viney & Taylor have proven that they know what they're doing. Every recruiter has some misses, with Toumpas being our only catastrophic one despite being rated as the second best player in the draft by most experts.

I'm looking forward to seeing who we pick up early on, but I'm also very excited to see what direction we go with 46 & 50, as well as in the rookie draft.

In Taylor I trust.

[jezhug 54]

Looks like we are into Nick O'Kearney with our pick 50 - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2015-nick-okearney-models-game-on-trent-cotchin-determined-to-forge-afl-career/news-story/3e912fe3160d26c0e173e828059b5061

Some of his key selling points:

• Ball magnet
• Registered a perfect goal kicking score at the combine (30/30)
• Equal 4th in the kicking test at combine (21/30)

He is tipped to go in the 40 - 60 range.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

Looks like we are into Nick O'Kearney with our pick 50 - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2015-nick-okearney-models-game-on-trent-cotchin-determined-to-forge-afl-career/news-story/3e912fe3160d26c0e173e828059b5061

Some of his key selling points:

• Ball magnet
• Registered a perfect goal kicking score at the combine (30/30)
• Equal 4th in the kicking test at combine (21/30)

He is tipped to go in the 40 - 60 range.

Interesting that the article says he doesn't use the ball well given his results in the testing. That would indicate poor decisions more than actual skills. I wonder if that is easier to fix?

Come to think of it, I used to call Mzungu "The Butcher" because he got the ball 30 times a game and turned it over 28 of them, but he came good.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Looks like we are into Nick O'Kearney with our pick 50 - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2015-nick-okearney-models-game-on-trent-cotchin-determined-to-forge-afl-career/news-story/3e912fe3160d26c0e173e828059b5061

Some of his key selling points:

• Ball magnet
• Registered a perfect goal kicking score at the combine (30/30)
• Equal 4th in the kicking test at combine (21/30)

He is tipped to go in the 40 - 60 range.

only 71kg?! Too skinny, will get knocked off ball, blah blah etc.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

Interesting that the article says he doesn't use the ball well given his results in the testing. That would indicate poor decisions more than actual skills. I wonder if that is easier to fix?

Come to think of it, I used to call Mzungu "The Butcher" because he got the ball 30 times a game and turned it over 28 of them, but he came good.

Judging from the limited vision of him it looks the other way around. His decision making looks great it's just his kicking looks awkward and lacks penetration. The ball gets where it's going, it just doesn't look pretty.

He's a strange prospect because it's unusual to see an early bloomer who then peaks before the draft have such a slight body and a baby face. Usually it's the man child type who stops growing.

I can see why he or his mentors picked Cotchin for him to watch, because Cotchin is a footballer who (despite the finals flops) competes really well as an inside mid despite not having the body shape to really do so or any stand out athleticism.

At this stage I'm not sure what position NOK would play at AFL level and so I'd probably have him more of a rookie pick.