So whos better,  Oliver or Trac?  I can't split them.

They compliment each other so well.  A lot of teams would kill to have a player of that caliber and we have two of them.  What a time to be alive. 

3 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

So whos better,  Oliver or Trac?  I can't split them.

They compliment each other so well.  A lot of teams would kill to have a player of that caliber and we have two of them.  What a time to be alive. 

Oliver is a better overall player.

13 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Oliver is a better overall player.

I’d say the opposite. Oliver is more consistent at his designated role (inside midfielder), but Petracca is a better footballer overall.

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

I’d say the opposite. Oliver is more consistent at his designated role (inside midfielder), but Petracca is a better footballer overall.

Oliver i'd say is a better ball winner, better defensively, and better at his role, however Petracca is probably the more talented of the two.

Petracca and Oliver have very different skill sets and have very clearly defined  but different roles within the team. The great part is that both are performing at high level and driving the team performances.

I also like the fact that they feed off each other in the games. Not that they look to move the ball on to each other to the detriment of the team but they seem to have an awareness of position that allows them to react instinctively. 

Great to have both of them in the team.

I could not split them.

On 12/9/2020 at 12:20 PM, picket fence said:

Just watch Clayton Oliver aka ( CLARRY CHOO CHOO) Thrive under Chocko !!

Glad to see one of my posts/ prophesies come almost to fruition for a change?

Edited May 21, 20213 yr by picket fence

I love you Clayton

If Clayton played for any other side I reckon I’d hate him. There’s something about him. 

2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

If Clayton played for any other side I reckon I’d hate him. There’s something about him. 

Unfortunately why I don't think he'll win the Brownlow. Don't think the Umps love him either

On 12/8/2020 at 7:27 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Agreed. Timely introduction of Mark Williams to really grab Trac, Clarry, and even Gus and challenge them to take the next step in their careers. It’s an great appointment imv (echo so many others) and old fashioned tough love is on the agenda.

 “We want to be great”. Absolutely.

(But I’d settle for just one premiership? ). 

Clarry has taken a step. He is a genuine star in the competition.  

On 11/19/2015 at 6:30 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Surely MFC chooses Oliver ahead of Parish.

Oliver is like Wines... a COMPETITOR.

This is what makes Clarry one of our best ever.

He’s a COMPETITOR  

We saw it in him  

Six years on, he still wins contested footy but has matured the other parts of his game.  He has improved his decision making and skills. Now he’s gotten rid of those 2m stupid handballs, he uses his pace and run to kick and deliver and penetrate into fwd 50. 
 

He’s become a COMPETITIVE weapon. 

On 5/21/2021 at 10:37 AM, Mickey said:

Unfortunately why I don't think he'll win the Brownlow. Don't think the Umps love him either

Averages more than 0.5 votes a game before this year - he must be reasonably polite to the umps!

 

I read the first part of the thread to fill in some Pre GF time. I noted some of the early debate and thought I’d post it for fun. I’m not having a crack at anyone here, it’s just for fun!

On 11/19/2015 at 9:41 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

And thats why Parish at 3 is a no brainer for me. Personally as much as I'm a huge wrap for Oliver picking him at 3 would be just plain silly.

 

On 11/19/2015 at 8:24 PM, olisik said:

Parish over Oliver will be like Scully over Dustin Martin selection

 

On 11/19/2015 at 11:18 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

Exactly. Oliver couldn't even get a game for Vic Country.

I don't get the love.

 

On 11/20/2015 at 5:49 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

I've been told we are very interested in Oliver.

Not my preference, but will take it in my stride if he becomes a Dee.

 

On 11/20/2015 at 6:47 PM, DemonLad5 said:

Oliver is a bull and bangs it long, like Andrew Moore and Ed Curnow

Parish is classy and an inside-outside threat like Gaff, a young Ben Cousins, a young Garry Ablett Jnr, Kieran Jack and Robbie Gray

 

On 11/20/2015 at 7:15 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

OK, so I looked at Oliver again on youtube and he does look a pretty exciting prospect. When I first watched him I didn't want to like him and was overly critical - cognitive bias and all that.

I really like Parish and reckon he's exactly what we need, however, Oliver has some exciting AFL quality traits.

Looking forward to Tuesday night.

 

On 11/20/2015 at 7:17 PM, olisik said:

If anyone likens him to Jordie Mckenzie again it's going in my signature

 

On 11/22/2015 at 1:27 AM, Moneider96 said:

 

Sounds like a competitive beast as well.

 

On 11/22/2015 at 6:51 AM, timD said:

I'd have Oliver ahead of Parish on my limited video footage. Physicality will translate better, agility is better, likes beating opponents and hitting bodies and has the frame to do it.

But I wouldn't pick him at 3. 7 yes.

 

On 11/22/2015 at 9:40 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

I reported a couple of weeks ago that the demons recruiting staff were up here in regional Victoria interviewing Oliver and maybe one or two other bushies player. At the time i thought to myself it was very interesting that we showed interest in him because he was just starting to come into top 10 calculations and i still thought no way would we select him at 7.

 

On 11/22/2015 at 11:22 AM, beelzebub said:

My only question:

Is he the Claytons Olliver....or the real thing ?

 

On 11/22/2015 at 12:01 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

Some more info from a Richmond supporter who knows a fair bit about him:

He didn't test well at the start of the year because it was his first true year in the TAC system and came off zero pre season and I mean zero . He has always had a elite football ability however has had to learn to be more than just a turn up Thursday night play Saturday player which he has done admirably . His ability to perform against men has been the key for me . Played in the midfield in the strong GVFL comp as a 17 year old and was getting BOG's . Likewise stood up and got plenty of it in the VFL when playing as 23rd man for us this year . If he is available we take him and he becomes a instant best 22 inside mid . Wouldn't be surprised if he went past the likes of redden in his first year . Been on him for a while and ain't jumping off. he has been on some peoples radars for 5-6 years

it was put to him at the start of the year he needed to play like Rockcliffe who was also a bushranger and then later in the season like Cripps . Oliver has been on the radar for almost 10 years he was encouraged by his fav club to play like that and this comes from being directly privy to some of these events or conversations with his father , Steve . I don't h believe that a 17 / 18 year olds career is moulded in 8-9 months .

 

On 11/22/2015 at 2:05 PM, Ron Burgundy said:

I'd be absolutely stoked with Parish and Oliver.

Would be very happy with Parish and Curnow though too.

 

On 11/23/2015 at 1:00 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

Oliver shone in the strong GVFL senior competition in 2014 as a 16/17 year old.

He played 11 games in the midfield, kicked 9 goals and was named in the best on 6 occasions. He played 6 of the 11 games as a 16 year old - against men.

He's from Echuca, where his Father also played football and his Mother netball. Todd Viney lived in Echuca for years and I suspect he knows a great deal about Oliver and his pedigree. Maybe he doesn't want to let another Ollie slip. And he seems to play in a very similar fashion, although he has better pace and sideways movement.

 

On 11/23/2015 at 10:24 PM, P-man said:

Just had a look.

Oliver responds to user comments himself, mainly about his appearance. Clearly doesn't take himself too seriously. A good quality to have.

 

On 11/23/2015 at 10:41 PM, The Song Formerly Known As said:

Passing up on a kid (Parish) who has been in the All Australian side twice, both as a bottom age and a top age. Has won or been nominated for virtually every award a junior footballer can win, or be nominated for. Excellent skills, decision making, calmness, attack, and hunger. Plays both inside and out. Averaged 129 SC points this season, if you value that. Can kick goals, can hit targets inside 50, does bring others into the game and is described by all as a NATURAL footballer. Something we have been crying out for for decades. If we pass up on Parish fine, but i hope we bloody know what we are doing if we do.

Happy to be held accountable on here if Parish succeeds/fails.

 

On 11/23/2015 at 11:22 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

Agree. I would have been happy to go with Parish and Mathieson to get a good mix of midfield talent with 4 AAs between them.

I wonder if the reluctance to pick Parish has to do with the nightmares endured in the wake of the decision to take Toumpas ahead of Wines three years ago.

 

On 11/24/2015 at 7:37 AM, olisik said:

WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - CLAYTON OLIVER

 

On 11/24/2015 at 9:07 AM, Good Times Grimes said:

I almost want us to not select Oliver just to see Olisik's reaction.

 

On 11/24/2015 at 9:21 AM, Barney Rubble said:

What gives me the [censored] is our club hasn't leaked one little bit of info.

I want the old Melbourne back where Motor Mouth Connolly would open up with, tonight we will pick Jordon Gysberts, I assure you he will be better than our priority pick and pick one in a couple of years.

I want those leaks NOT!

 

On 11/24/2015 at 10:53 AM, Dwight Schrute said:

Olisk is going to lose his [censored] if we select Parish at 3

 

On 11/24/2015 at 10:56 AM, DeeZee said:

I still feel we will pick up Parish over Oliver though as he is more of what we need, and has a longer more consistent body of work.

 

On 11/24/2015 at 11:29 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Good article on Oliver here.

States how we met him at his home after the draft camp and that we were a lot nicer club to talk to than Essendon who ripped into him.

What a bunch of flogs!

Suck on these apples Essenscum.-

Melbourne considers Clayton Oliver with first pick: Plays like Ollie Wines

 

 

On 11/24/2015 at 7:16 PM, DemonLad5 said:

woo hoo!!!! Welcome Clayton!!!

 

On 11/24/2015 at 7:17 PM, Wiseblood said:

Olisik just had one of the all time great orgasms. Well done son.

Oh, and welcome Clayton. I reckon you'll be a gem!

 

On 11/24/2015 at 8:04 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

New highlights are up.. get excited

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-11-24/oliver-claimed-with-melbournes-first-pick

 

On 11/25/2015 at 8:12 AM, Hannibal Inc. said:

The first thing he needs to do is start calling himself Clay. It's much better than Clayton.

We have another competitor. What I really like is that he makes good decisions under pressure and seems composed.

Also, he's a true inside mid, but has speed and agility. 2.99 seconds is very good for an i.m, so is 8.11 in the agility test, which ranked him third.

He doesn't look like he's an elite kick, but his hands are fantastic and 70% disposal efficiency for an i.m is terrific.

An average of 24 disposals, 6 clearances, 6 tackles and 59% contested possessions ratio rounds out the picture.

Best of all, he's a goal kicking inside mid - 20 goals from 16 games.

Everything stacks up with this guy. He's the real deal.

 

On 11/25/2015 at 4:20 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

Parish will be a gun.

He's got everything (except size) and unlike Toumpas, he has a high level of contested possessions.

 

9 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I read the first part of the thread to fill in some Pre GF time. I noted some of the early debate and thought I’d post it for fun. I’m not having a crack at anyone here, it’s just for fun!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bob, I hope Clarrie wins the Brownlow tonight (and the Norm Smith on Saturday night) but if he doesn’t, I hope for your sake that Parrish doesn’t win it. 😀

Parish is a gun. But Oliver's a Howitzer.

2 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I read the first part of the thread to fill in some Pre GF time. I noted some of the early debate and thought I’d post it for fun. I’m not having a crack at anyone here, it’s just for fun!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, well played.

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Bob, I hope Clarrie wins the Brownlow tonight (and the Norm Smith on Saturday night) but if he doesn’t, I hope for your sake that Parrish doesn’t win it. 😀

W_J, you still owe yourself one uppercut for suggesting we should have taken Parish and Mathieson! 

I can’t stress enough how good this is, well worth a listen where I learned a lot about Oliver:

 

 

Edited September 19, 20213 yr by Clint Bizkit

I love his dedication to become the best of the best, unfortunately the demons selected Weideman (selection 9) and not Harry Mckay (selection 10) but the boy is more like his dad and not his grandfather, lack of mungral or as Ray Jordan would say C***.

On 11/18/2015 at 6:22 PM, Rocky said:

if 7, so be it, but pleeeeease not at 3. as long as we smash our first selection, i'd feel ok about trusting the recruiters on taking this kid at 7. definitely does look slow to me though.. i thought at the start of the draft period we'd be after SPEED! need some dash and foot skills at 3 surely and i of course can also see an argument for a KPP being taken early.. if only we had THREE selections in the top 10, then i'd be keen on oliver fo' sho!

 

On 11/18/2015 at 11:03 PM, Hannibal Inc. said:

Let me put on record for future bumps that I'll be somewhat shocked if we choose this guy in the top 10. And yes, it's only looking at his style on youtube. Nothing more.

Yes, he has that desperate attack on the footy, but he's so stilted and mechanical in his approach. There's zero polish or class. I'll be really disappointed if we pick this guy.

Sorry, Oli.

Mmmmmm.   

On 11/22/2015 at 12:26 PM, jnrmac said:

Oliver is a real bullock. Love his attack on the footy and the player. Good evasive skills, good amount of time and space. Its an impressive highlights reel.

Doesn't seem to have the 'silk' factor which you probably want to see at a pick 3 but it seems you like you would get a bona fide inside mid workhorse in the mould of, say, a Dane Swan or Oliie Wines....

Some could see the potential!

On 9/19/2021 at 4:52 PM, durango said:

I love his dedication to become the best of the best, unfortunately the demons selected Weideman (selection 9) and not Harry Mckay (selection 10) but the boy is more like his dad and not his grandfather, lack of mungral or as Ray Jordan would say C***.

Our forward line would be a little scary if we picked McKay over Weideman.

But, you can't win them all and our drafting has been terrific these past 3-5 years.

On 9/20/2021 at 3:31 PM, monoccular said:

 

Mmmmmm.   

From memory I changed my mind within a week, but don't include that.

Another dope added to my ignore list.

If we win the flag I may just take everyone off ignore.  

Probably not.

I'm surprised that I'm not quoted in it he definitely wasn't the talk of the town Parish was but I'm glad we have Clarry it's quite scary that we have 3 of the top 4 footballers in the land Gawn at 1 Clarry at 2 Bont at 3 and Trac at 4. Parish wouldn't be in the top 20.

2 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I'm surprised that I'm not quoted in it he definitely wasn't the talk of the town Parish was but I'm glad we have Clarry it's quite scary that we have 3 of the top 4 footballers in the land Gawn at 1 Clarry at 2 Bont at 3 and Trac at 4. Parish wouldn't be in the top 20.

I disagree with the order. Clarry for mine is number 1. We will find out on Saturday. Hopefully it's not Bont!