Resilience - MFC Players V MFC Supporters (Merged Thread)

[ManDee 7,153]

That sort of support is not the problem, it is the overt over the top absolute negativity that has no basis in fact or reason that is the problem. As rpfc pointed out, people still blame Watts and thing he should be gone, even though he is now doing what we wanted him to do, and some are calling for blood. We are too negative, we are too reactionary, we don't take time to consider what is going on, and we take it out on all and sundry, it would be having an effect, even if small.

Fair call Chris there are no doubt, levels of negativity that are unacceptable.

If we had a winning culture and performed like Hawthorn they would probably still be whingeing. I would love that problem at MFC.

[old dee 23,792]

in that case a severe overdose of single malt whisky would be most appropriate

Now that deserves serious thought as an alternative.

[Redleg 40,944]

I don't think we should do what the media does and misrepresent the facts.

Roos said that the club has a veil of negativity around it.

Also that many supporters were negative in emails to him.

He never blamed supporters for the performances.

He agreed the last few weeks and especially sunday were terrible and unacceptable.

He said the football department needed to fix these inconsistent performances and that they were trying to.

[ManDee 7,153]

I don't think we should do what the media does and misrepresent the facts.

Roos said that the club has a veil of negativity around it.

Also that many supporters were negative in emails to him.

He never blamed supporters for the performances.

He agreed the last few weeks and especially sunday were terrible and unacceptable.

He said the football department needed to fix these inconsistent performances and that they were trying to.

"It's not that I'm angry about the emails I get, but I just think it's very negative. I completely understand how our supporters must feel, but you just have to wonder.

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

Roos compared the negative vibe around Melbourne to the long-time stigma carried by Richmond for finishing ninth.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/negativity-comes-from-melbourne-fans-not-club-coach-paul-roos-20150825-gj7jt6.html#ixzz3jsm6a9oB

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[old dee 23,792]

"It's not that I'm angry about the emails I get, but I just think it's very negative. I completely understand how our supporters must feel, but you just have to wonder.

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

Roos compared the negative vibe around Melbourne to the long-time stigma carried by Richmond for finishing ninth.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/negativity-comes-from-melbourne-fans-not-club-coach-paul-roos-20150825-gj7jt6.html#ixzz3jsm6a9oB

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I think he has got you there Mr Leg.

[biggestred 5,099]

the thing is, most of us could see that loss to carlton coming a mile away.

because we have a history of losing to the worst team. a history of not showing up when if we even remotely showed up we would win.

but we don't. we still don't.

ffs

[Samael 560]

i blame old dee

I blame Labor

[Jaded No More 68,958]

"It's not that I'm angry about the emails I get, but I just think it's very negative. I completely understand how our supporters must feel, but you just have to wonder.

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

Roos compared the negative vibe around Melbourne to the long-time stigma carried by Richmond for finishing ninth.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/negativity-comes-from-melbourne-fans-not-club-coach-paul-roos-20150825-gj7jt6.html#ixzz3jsm6a9oB

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If our feelings as supporters rubbed off on players, our players would have beaten goddamn North Melbourne by now, and flattened Brent Harvey in the process.

How we feel and think as a supporter group should have nothing to do with player performance. We turn up every week and we cheer as loud as anyone when we win.

We also express our displeasure when we lose, but compared to other supporters, we are mild. I don't see our supporters spitting and giving our players the fingers when they lose. We also rarely boo the team, and boy do they deserve to be booed from time to time for their disgusting lack of effort.

I wonder how our players would feel if they played for Richmond or Collingwood and were on the type of losing streak we've been on. They wouldn't be able to walk down the street without being "veiled by negativity".

I find the whole idea completely dumb, and I think Roos has run out of excuses, so he's using supporter mindset. He knows he can't blame the past anymore and that ultimately he is responsible. He is responsible for lifting moral and changing the negative mindset within the club. Then watch our quickly supporters change from negative to positive!

[rpfc 28,480]

"It's not that I'm angry about the emails I get, but I just think it's very negative. I completely understand how our supporters must feel, but you just have to wonder.

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

Roos compared the negative vibe around Melbourne to the long-time stigma carried by Richmond for finishing ninth.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/negativity-comes-from-melbourne-fans-not-club-coach-paul-roos-20150825-gj7jt6.html#ixzz3jsm6a9oB

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That is not blaming the fans for losses.

That is a part of the 'scar' argument that most on here attested to being true and our now sick of talking about - which happens to the last thing you have quoted Roos to have said.

He is sick of talking about the scars of the past, and yet when he sneers at our attitude - what do we bring up? The last decade, the last 50 years.

We are the ones stuck in the awful past.

The present isn't great but we are attaching that awful past ourselves - not Roos.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Hey we lost to Carlton twice in 2005 when they were shithouse and cost us a better finals berth

We expect to lose because THE CLUB HAS LET US DOWN for so long

Tell it like it is Paul. Do not back down

[praha 11,240]

I don't think Roos is playing the fans, or blaming anyone. I think he's just making an observation that is very obvious and, unfortunately, very true.

I have said multiple times on here that there is a stigma attached to playing for Melbourne. When you're growing up, and out in public, hearing people talk, neutral fans know Melbourne is bad. That sort of narrative is interchangeable with Melbourne fans because Melbourne fans are equally as negative about the club.

I don't think he is blaming fans any more than he's blaming the players. It must truly be tough playing for the Demons, knowing so few people respect you. This creates distance, individualism, as a means of trying to show the world that, "Okay, so at least I'm okay." This is why I'm critical of Nathan Jones: I don't think he's particularly inspiring, and I think he goes through the motions to stand out amongst the crap. That doesn't make him a good leader. It makes him a "loser" in the true sense of the word, not someone that is particularly driven to win. He just does what *he* can do. Make a good leader, that does not.

The scary thing is I see this weep through our younger players already. Brayshaw, Viney, Watts, VB, Hogan. They go through periods of ineptness and "ME ME ME" as a means to look decent in a bad loss. Roos has mentioned this after loses where the players play a game as individuals, not as a team. This all correlates into what he's saying.

And I have said it once and I'll say it again: until older players from the Bailey and Daniher years are gone, that veil among the playing group will remain. A new generation now needs to set the tone, not "leaders" who were part and parcel of the club's worst ever years.

It's astonishing how some can't see the correlation between how bad we play, and how bad the likes of Dunn, Watts, Jones, Garland, Grimes can be.

Edited August 26, 2015 by praha

[biggestred 5,099]

44 wins out of 196 games across 9 seasons. a 22.4% win ratio.

that'd be why we are negative...

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

^^^^ ^^^^^

Look at what happened to Jack Grimes after he had the weight of the number 31 hammered to his back

Bring back number 16

Another great Schwab idea

[stuie 7,374]

^^^^ ^^^^^

Look at what happened to Jack Grimes after he had the weight of the number 31 hammered to his back

Bring back number 16

Another great Schwab idea

Hahahahaha FFS....

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Hahahahaha FFS....

Jack was tracking along nicely until Schwab changed his number, made the video

Grimes never played well again apart from that one punch....

Should have kept his own number...identity.

[Fork 'em 6,984]

Hey we lost to Carlton twice in 2005 when they were shithouse and cost us a better finals berth

We expect to lose because THE CLUB HAS LET US DOWN for so long

Tell it like it is Paul. Do not back down

The first two lines were correct.

We were looking at nailing a top4 spot and got rolled by the bottom side carlton at etihad.

The 3rd your losing the plot again.

As you tend to do.

Roos has just FU here trying to cover his own arse and you're cheering him on.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Fork 'em

[Tony Tea 2,809]

It is ridiculous that Roosey, other club supporters and the media think there is a veil of negativity around our pathetic, doomed, fisted forever Demons.

[stuie 7,374]

Jack was tracking along nicely until Schwab changed his number, made the video

Grimes never played well again apart from that one punch....

Should have kept his own number...identity.

Seriously WYL. Seriously. Even for you this is silly.

[rpfc 28,480]

44 wins out of 196 games across 9 seasons. a 22.4% win ratio.

that'd be why we are negative...

Roos is responsible for a maximum of 34 of those losses...

Why are losses in 2007 so relevant to our mindset?

The reaction of Demonland is largely proving his point.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

The first two lines were correct.

We were looking at nailing a top4 spot and got rolled by the bottom side carlton at etihad.

The 3rd your losing the plot again.

As you tend to do.

Roos has just FU here trying to cover his own arse and you're cheering him on.

I want the MFC to actually face and confront their own faults rather than putting the blame elsewhere which is why they are never fixed.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Seriously WYL. Seriously. Even for you this is silly.

Not silly at all. Schwab wanted to make Jack Grimes the "new" Barassi amid great song and dance. The result was Grimes career become very ordinary

creating little messiah's will not win us games...

Edited August 26, 2015 by Sir Why You Little

[Fork 'em 6,984]

I don't see how confronting faults helps the win/loss column.
I don't see any other clubs need to confront their faults.
They need to confront the playing list.
Thats who they need to confront.

[Go the Biff 3,434]

That is not blaming the fans for losses.

That is a part of the 'scar' argument that most on here attested to being true and our now sick of talking about - which happens to the last thing you have quoted Roos to have said.

He is sick of talking about the scars of the past, and yet when he sneers at our attitude - what do we bring up? The last decade, the last 50 years.

We are the ones stuck in the awful past.

The present isn't great but we are attaching that awful past ourselves - not Roos.

It's a point that many here have chosen to ignore as they hurry off to get the sackcloth and ashes to indulge in a jolly good bout of self-flagellation. "Oh no - Roosey's blaming us"

I don't think Roos is playing the fans, or blaming anyone. I think he's just making an observation that is very obvious and, unfortunately, very true.

I have said multiple times on here that there is a stigma attached to playing for Melbourne. When you're growing up, and out in public, hearing people talk, neutral fans know Melbourne is bad. That sort of narrative is interchangeable with Melbourne fans because Melbourne fans are equally as negative about the club.

I don't think he is blaming fans any more than he's blaming the players. It must truly be tough playing for the Demons, knowing so few people don't respect you. ..........

I'm not sure you worded that the way you want to but I think I get your point

Roos is responsible for a maximum of 34 of those losses...

Why are losses in 2007 so relevant to our mindset?

The reaction of Demonland is largely proving his point.

Spot on. I've got no problem with what he said on Monday. I agree. The Tuesday damage control was messy though. But his original point is right. There is an negative air about MFC. Justifiably so as many have pointed out. But we are loyal. We have stuck through thin and thinner. But I reckon I see progress and this gives me cause for optimism for 2016 and onward

[DeeZee 7,397]

Really disappointed with some of the carp that comes out of our coaches mouth.

He blames everyone and everything except himself.

He said that even after the Geelong win people were coming up to him and saying, well you'll never do that again.

What a load of rubbish....after the Geelong win most of us were rapt and saying how great things were looking and hoping we had turned the corner.

Believe us Roosy when we tell you, we do not want to be negative at all, in fact we are sick to our stomachs of being negative....please please please, give us a reason to be positive, like win a couple of games in a row, or beat a bottom side, at least.

[pitchfork 181]

Port, Doggies, GWS...there's plenty of evidence in recent years for us not to start jumping off buildings after 2 bad losses. Stick with it...is it necessary that after every loss someone needs to start calling for Jack Watts to be traded?