Adam Goodes

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Clearly none of you have ever been to a game in SA or WA, they boo EVERYTHING the opposition does, EVERYTHING.

I booed Cooney one year and got bellowed down by a toothless bulldogs supporter for booing a champion, bet the same bloke boos him when they play Essendon.

Anyone telling me that calling Goodes a monkey is racist can go and get [censored], i will call him a monkey because he looks like one TO ME. I will not scream it at him during a game or start a conversation off with "Hey you know how Goodes looks like a monkey...". It really angers me that i am being called a racist, I'm calling a shovel a shovel, I didn't want to use the word spade in case i get called racist, not if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck. I couldn't care less if he is black white yellow or grey, HE LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN MONKEY TO ME. Why is that Racist? Because he says so? Because according to him his people have been called that for a long time? Funny, i have never heard of an Indigenous person being called a monkey before.

I call Hird dumbo, which I have know numerous WHITE people called this, and Luke Ball a gnome, also many people called this, because that's what they look like TO ME. It has nothing to do with race. I wouldn't call a black person a gnome because i have never seen a black gnome to compare them to. But if i did then i could call Will Smith a giant gnome. Or is that racist? Maybe his ancestors were called gnomes.

What about Lin Jong? If i was indeed a racist would i then be booing Lin as well? He would have to be the easiest target in the AFL for me to show my white superiority.

Then there is also Bachar Houli, who looks like what the media have instilled in our minds as a terrorist, people can be called what they look like without the need for the race card to be played. I have a mate that is not Muslim, no middle eastern blood in him at all and we call him terror suspect, his stupid [censored] bag beard makes him look like one. Who is the racial vilification victim here?

I can understand that there are people out there deliberately calling him a monkey because Goodes sees it as being racist, and they are doing it to get this sort of rise out of him, but it is not as simple as you are a racist and you are not a racist. They are many multitudes of colour between.

My opinion.

[Little Goffy 14,132]

Geebus, I've been 'refuted' by someone referencing Keith Windschuttle.

Ok, I accept that this thread might as well be closed.

Next up, a man in a clown suit explains why the Salazar administration was good for liberalism.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

The post above clearly shows this needs to be shut down. As I said earlier, equating physical appearance with indigenous culture is odious.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Clearly none of you have ever been to a game in SA or WA, they boo EVERYTHING the opposition does, EVERYTHING.

I booed Cooney one year and got bellowed down by a toothless bulldogs supporter for booing a champion, bet the same bloke boos him when they play Essendon.

Anyone telling me that calling Goodes a monkey is racist can go and get [censored], i will call him a monkey because he looks like one TO ME. I will not scream it at him during a game or start a conversation off with "Hey you know how Goodes looks like a monkey...". It really angers me that i am being called a racist, I'm calling a shovel a shovel, I didn't want to use the word spade in case i get called racist, not if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck. I couldn't care less if he is black white yellow or grey, HE LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN MONKEY TO ME. Why is that Racist? Because he says so? Because according to him his people have been called that for a long time? Funny, i have never heard of an Indigenous person being called a monkey before.

I call Hird dumbo, which I have know numerous WHITE people called this, and Luke Ball a gnome, also many people called this, because that's what they look like TO ME. It has nothing to do with race. I wouldn't call a black person a gnome because i have never seen a black gnome to compare them to. But if i did then i could call Will Smith a giant gnome. Or is that racist? Maybe his ancestors were called gnomes.

What about Lin Jong? If i was indeed a racist would i then be booing Lin as well? He would have to be the easiest target in the AFL for me to show my white superiority.

Then there is also Bachar Houli, who looks like what the media have instilled in our minds as a terrorist, people can be called what they look like without the need for the race card to be played. I have a mate that is not Muslim, no middle eastern blood in him at all and we call him terror suspect, his stupid [censored] bag beard makes him look like one. Who is the racial vilification victim here?

I can understand that there are people out there deliberately calling him a monkey because Goodes sees it as being racist, and they are doing it to get this sort of rise out of him, but it is not as simple as you are a racist and you are not a racist. They are many multitudes of colour between.

My opinion.

Do we have a send off rule here?

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Do we have a send off rule here?

For what?

[beelzebub 23,244]

Wow, just wow. Do you train to be this stupid? Surely your parents genetics weren't so bad as to produce you. maybe you got hit on the head when you were young.

Care to explain?

oh quit the idiotic platitudes mate

you havent actually said anything..well done

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Always may have been the wrong word. Nonetheless my point stands: it's *often* those least likely to be subject to systematic persecution that dictate how others should react to their own systematic persecution.

Ethan's comment about being teased for having big ears completely trivialises the effects of racism. It showed a complete lack of understanding - far more ignorant than what I said, or at least I thought so. Of course people of other skin colours and sexual persuasions say stupid stuff too, but surely it's beyond dispute that if you're white, male and heterosexual, your position of privilege means you are least likely to understand the position of the persecuted minority.

And yes, I'm a moderator. I have an opinion too. So long as I don't use your opinion against you in an official capacity, I see no harm in expressing it. On the rare occasion that I get in to a blue on here, I ask other moderators to check it over due to the conflict of interest. Yep, I've even had my posts deleted by other mods, though in the 10 years I've moderated this site, it's probably happened twice. The system works pretty well I think.

Nasher you and other moderators do a fantastic job. I was not questioning that but i do find it odd that you take into account someones skin colour, sexual preference and or sex in determining if they understand persecution. My poor disabled uncle, who had a stutter and patch on his eye would be rolling in his early grave.

If I started a thread on demonland "new supporter group" Seeking white, hetro, males only. The thread would be locked and I would rightly be facing suspension. If it is offensive to generalise on race, sexual preference or sex it is offensive no matter where the perceived power is.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

For what?

Self evident I would have thought.

[Nasher 33,607]

Anyone telling me that calling Goodes a monkey is racist can go and get fucked, i will call him a monkey because he looks like one TO ME. I will not scream it at him during a game or start a conversation off with "Hey you know how Goodes looks like a monkey...". It really angers me that i am being called a racist, I'm calling a shovel a shovel, I didn't want to use the word spade in case i get called racist, not if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck. I couldn't care less if he is black white yellow or grey, HE LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN MONKEY TO ME. Why is that Racist? Because he says so? Because according to him his people have been called that for a long time? Funny, i have never heard of an Indigenous person being called a monkey before.

There is so much wrong with this post that I don't have time to cover it all, so I'll just focus on one paragraph.

The 13 year old was, at best, culturally insensitive. If we take it as fact that she didn't know what the comment to Goodes, that's a mitigation, albeit a slight one. I don't ignorance is much of an excuse at all.

But if you're aware of the decades of hurt that invokes, but still call him that anyway, you deserve to be called a racist. You don't have the excuse of youthful ignorance.

Edited June 1, 2015 by Nasher

[beelzebub 23,244]

two wrongs make a right apparently...there ya go

[Biffen 12,927]

It's Mabo, it's the constitution .

It's the vibe.

[praha 11,218]

Regardless of some of the valid arguments on whether he should have, or shouldn't have it is hard being black in this country.

You drink, take drugs, live off hand-outs and commit crime you are a failure and a drain. Succeed at the highest level in a chosen field and celebrate that empowerment and you get shot down.

How is he "celebrating" the empowerment?

[deefrag 277]

Hes a gifted footballer with tickets on himself. Likes playing the victim card at every opportunity. Has overplayed it. Now sounds like a [censored] and in reality does a great disservice to many. But hey Im a whitefella so cant have an opinion !!

Strangely I dont see Goodes as anything other that a too self important person playing footy. Dont care where youre from, what background what creed what tribe what ship what plane if you carry on like an idiot...you probably are one!!

Still wouldnt mind a few like him playing for us...just for the footy mind you [/quote

Did you happen to catch that Brazilian guy doing the Vida Loca?

If football was dancing we'd be top four!!

[hardtack 10,433]

I posted this in the other Adam Goodes thread in the general forum, but it's probably just as relevant here as it seems many think that Goodes never stepped in to take the focus off the 13 year old girl or that he just sat back and let her become the face of racist Australia... this article appeared on the Monday immediately following the indigenous round during which the incident occurred:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772

[Moonshadow 17,577]

You're welcome to explain what part of what I quoted was wrong. Here's an imaginary gold embossed invitation for you.

I find it exceptionally amusing that someone so familiar with Bolt's views would be critical of others for quoting him and court reported commentary.

I get it, it's OK to read him, just not agree with him. Not that you have your own deep seated political bias though. No, not at all.

Just because Andrew Bolt writes something in the Hun does not make it true. It is an opinion. Court reporting is just that, reporting. I get it, you believe a reporter if it suits your flat-earther mentality. Nice.

Here's another heads up which you won't like to hear: the earth revolves around the sun, not vice versa.

Edited June 1, 2015 by Moonshadow

[Nasher 33,607]

Nasher you and other moderators do a fantastic job. I was not questioning that but i do find it odd that you take into account someones skin colour, sexual preference and or sex in determining if they understand persecution. My poor disabled uncle, who had a stutter and patch on his eye would be rolling in his early grave.

If I started a thread on demonland "new supporter group" Seeking white, hetro, males only. The thread would be locked and I would rightly be facing suspension. If it is offensive to generalise on race, sexual preference or sex it is offensive no matter where the perceived power is.

Fair enough. I'll leave my post there as I believe in owning what I've said, but I see your point about generalising in the fashion I did to be hypocritical.

I do believe the point of privilege to be entirely relevant though. If you're a white person in Australia, I can't see how you're qualified to compare any situation you've confronted with what those who endure racism on a daily basis do. If you're a man, I can't see how you're qualified to comment on enduring sexism in Australia. That's not generalising, it is just fact. You can't appreciate it unless you've been there. That's why if Adam Goodes says being called a monkey is deeply, deeply offensive, I take his word for it, and make an attempt to understand why. I don't share his offence. I don't really understand it, I haven't experienced it. I haven't experienced anything like it. I experienced arseholes at school who wanted to make my life miserable, like so many others, but that isn't the same.

I certainly don't go "pfft, eff you, I'm going to call it to you anyway because I want to" like the poster above who illustrated my point perfectly.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Clearly none of you have ever been to a game in SA or WA, they boo EVERYTHING the opposition does, EVERYTHING.

I booed Cooney one year and got bellowed down by a toothless bulldogs supporter for booing a champion, bet the same bloke boos him when they play Essendon.

Anyone telling me that calling Goodes a monkey is racist can go and get [censored], i will call him a monkey because he looks like one TO ME. I will not scream it at him during a game or start a conversation off with "Hey you know how Goodes looks like a monkey...". It really angers me that i am being called a racist, I'm calling a shovel a shovel, I didn't want to use the word spade in case i get called racist, not if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck. I couldn't care less if he is black white yellow or grey, HE LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN MONKEY TO ME. Why is that Racist? Because he says so? Because according to him his people have been called that for a long time? Funny, i have never heard of an Indigenous person being called a monkey before.

I call Hird dumbo, which I have know numerous WHITE people called this, and Luke Ball a gnome, also many people called this, because that's what they look like TO ME. It has nothing to do with race. I wouldn't call a black person a gnome because i have never seen a black gnome to compare them to. But if i did then i could call Will Smith a giant gnome. Or is that racist? Maybe his ancestors were called gnomes.

What about Lin Jong? If i was indeed a racist would i then be booing Lin as well? He would have to be the easiest target in the AFL for me to show my white superiority.

Then there is also Bachar Houli, who looks like what the media have instilled in our minds as a terrorist, people can be called what they look like without the need for the race card to be played. I have a mate that is not Muslim, no middle eastern blood in him at all and we call him terror suspect, his stupid [censored] bag beard makes him look like one. Who is the racial vilification victim here?

I can understand that there are people out there deliberately calling him a monkey because Goodes sees it as being racist, and they are doing it to get this sort of rise out of him, but it is not as simple as you are a racist and you are not a racist. They are many multitudes of colour between.

My opinion.

Apologies to Nasher who earlier in the thread I said had written the most ignorant post I had ever read on demonland it has now been overtaken.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

So mooney why dont other indiginious players get booed as AG does

Exactly mate - perhaps you should meditate on this and really have a think about why other indigenous players don't get booed as Goodes does.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

I wouldn't boo Goodes, because it's not my thing, but I don't like him, because he's racially divisive. Launching into commentary on "our very dark past" and other divisive remarks designed to colour our history as poorly as possible, while being feted as Australian of the year was self-serving, horribly opportunistic and ill-considered. It was all designed to taint our past. Rather than uniting Australians and embracing togetherness, he used his role to continue the divide.

That's because Australians and the Australian government still live in denial about the genocide that occurred and still occurs. Until it is confronted and dealt with it will keep being brought up. While it is continually denied by the "white blindfold" revisionists it will continue to be a divisive issue.

[jnrmac 19,931]

Geebus, I've been 'refuted' by someone referencing Keith Windschuttle.

Ok, I accept that this thread might as well be closed.

Next up, a man in a clown suit explains why the Salazar administration was good for liberalism.

Great rebuff from you LG. I suspect Keith W has done quite a deal more research that you. But then again thats fairly typical of you Canberra lefties when they don't like something, they attack it with nonsense rather than a reasoned argument. That's all you have done in this thread. I suspect you also shout a lot and stamp your feet if your Milo isn't warm enough.

[old dee 23,536]

He speaks well of you OD.

It is a democracy Iv'a he is entitled to his feeling/ view.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

It is a democracy Iv'a he is entitled to his feeling/ view.

Of course ID, but democracy is a privilege not a pre-ordained right.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,889]

Adam Goodes says he doesn't really care about being booed, but it affects his family, if he plays against Carlton next time he will get booed even louder than usual because of his little dance last night and he only has himself to blame.

Look at how Luke Hodge was booed against North Melbourne after elbowing their captain.....it's not that complicated like some on here make it out to be.

Hodge got booed after elbowing someone in the head.

Goodes gets booed because....

[jnrmac 19,931]

That's because Australians and the Australian government still live in denial about the genocide that occurred and still occurs. Until it is confronted and dealt with it will keep being brought up. While it is continually denied by the "white blindfold" revisionists it will continue to be a divisive issue.

Wow, you should tell someone at the ABC about that. Genocide still occurring??

Hey, maybe you work for the ABC?

Would you care to tell us where this geniocide is still occurring? Let me help you with a definition: "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Great rebuff from you LG. I suspect Keith W has done quite a deal more research that you. But then again thats fairly typical of you Canberra lefties when they don't like something, they attack it with nonsense rather than a reasoned argument. That's all you have done in this thread. I suspect you also shout a lot and stamp your feet if your Milo isn't warm enough.

Now there's a reasoned argument if ever I saw one. When you can't mount an reasoned response you attack the person.