FAREWELL JEREMY HOWE

[Gorgoroth 12,712]

Love the hatred people give.

Remember, we did not exactly offer Howe much, it's not like we have been saying we really want to keep him or upping the offer.

Kennedy and a pick 26 would be a good deal for us, I think Kennedy has better upside in the next three years and Howe won't make pies a top 8 side, nor will he leave a big hole in our team.

[beelzebub 23,200]

Collingwood work with us !

Irrespective of how many times i read that it doesn't wash.

We have NO leverage. They're belligerent.

Filth have no NEED to work with us.

[Willmoy1947 3,972]

Which Clubs are in front of C'wood in the ND

Just a phone call away....

[rpfc 28,052]

We wanted him to go!

FCS, you look ridiculous telling him that he is all these things - we were using him to get some stud at ND3 and now we are left holding our you-know-what.

Let's hope we can salvage something from this.

It's not like Howe is much of a loss. Hell, Watts was ahead of him forward and a 2nd year player ahead of him in the backline.

[Adam The God 29,444]

I agree fervently with ProDee. Say it's GCS or the PSD. Make a stand here MFC, otherwise it's a worthless deal.

[coconut 41]

I don't want to be seen as Howe's apologist but facts are facts.

Under the rules he has the right to prefer a club to go to.

He apparently was a Pies fan as a kid.

He and his girlfriend don't have to leave Melbourne.

He gets to play in front of big crowds in the best timeslots.

Players seem to be reluctant to join GC, like Seedsman today.

He has developed a relationship with Buckley

Yes we would prefer he went to GC, but he doesn't want to.

Okay great, that is now up to Collingwood to maintain this apparent beautiful love story with Bucks and make it happen. The responsibility is on them to show him and us how much they really want him - we can do what we want. I hope Josh goes in there swinging

[Deecisive 1,709]

I think we should do a deal with the Suns swap picks as planned with no howe on the proviso that we let howe through to the psd. that is the theat to howe so that he could end up at carlton or the suns at less money since he has signed for less at Collingwood. lets then hope that carlton passes on him because of his price and the suns pick him up in the psd.

The aim is to put some power back into the clubs hands because all of us bottom feeders are having players tell them where they want to go and use the psd and getting nothing for them if they go into the psd as the threat someone has to stand up, the suns and us can start to try to do that.

[flamindees 16]

Rather than crying about this, I would play hard ball and get on with it. The Pies won't have the picks to satisfy us after Treloar and maybe Aish.

I would rather get into Maynard's ear now and try and convince him to declare us, as where wants to go and then deal for him and Kennedy for Howe.

I would then see if we could get another player like maybe Grimes, to go to GC with 6, for 3 and a pick back to use on Bugg.

I don't think GC would want Grimes, however Watts and pick 6 for 3 and 35 may be something they're interested in, especially with them being short on tall forwards. As much as Jack loves being at Melbourne, he has needed to change clubs for a long time now - and he probably has had to move interstate to to escape the Victorian media.

As for How, I think he and our round 4 pick for Kennedy and Maynard/ pies round 2 pick is fair. Not sure why people are being so whiny here - you'd think people would be able to look at players leaving pragmatically rather than emotionally by now - it's certainly a lot less painful. Let's just get the best deal for him now and if that means we need to play hardball to achieve that, then so be it. What we can't do is force him I to the PSD - we gain nothing out of that and Carlton get something for nothing.

[pinkshark 948]

What a wan%er! Dumb as dog sh*t he is. this is now confirmed in his choice to go to Collingwood. I'm a fan and don't buy into this "oh its the system and players have the right to test the markets and all that yada yada yada...whatever" He's just a pri%k now and I look forward to the Dees faithful sticking into him when we meet them next year. But hey, as long as Bucks remains in charge I'm happy. Because he is the biggest 'loser' in afl history and he just keeps getting worse and worse at Collingwood and for a die hard dee fan this is just great.

[Deecisive 1,709]

I don't think GC would want Grimes, however Watts and pick 6 for 3 and 35 may be something they're interested in, especially with them being short on tall forwards. As much as Jack loves being at Melbourne, he has needed to change clubs for a long time now - and he probably has had to move interstate to to escape the Victorian media.

As for How, I think he and our round 4 pick for Kennedy and Maynard/ pies round 2 pick is fair. Not sure why people are being so whiny here - you'd think people would be able to look at players leaving pragmatically rather than emotionally by now - it's certainly a lot less painful. Let's just get the best deal for him now and if that means we need to play hardball to achieve that, then so be it. What we can't do is force him I to the PSD - we gain nothing out of that and Carlton get something for nothing.

you can only play hard ball if you are prepared to let him go into the draft. bluffing is not enough

[dee-luded 2,959]

I know we won't do it, but I'd say **** you Howe, you'll go to the Suns or into the PSD.

And I'd follow through.

blues & lions rub hands with glee, followed buy GCS in anti sy passion

[dee-luded 2,959]

Surely Gil and Mike would prefer GC receive the highlights reel player. I can see them now at AFL house, hand written placards with #PSD! written on them.

theirs, an idea.

[KingDingAling 3,740]

Give Howe 2 options - GC or Carlton (PSD).

It then becomes fairly simple. If he wants to lumber at Carlton, good luck to him.

[old dee 23,506]

Give Howe 2 options - GC or Carlton (PSD).

It then becomes fairly simple. If he wants to lumber at Carlton, good luck to him.

There is a third option

He can nominate for the draft.

[Fat Tony 5,090]

Howe can enter the National Draft and manipulate things to get where he wants ala Luke Ball.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Read a report somewhere that Howe/s manager has now stated he doesn't want to move interstate

I call B/S; if the Pies were interstate, he wouldn't have an issue to move there. thats just a convenient P/C excuse.

I think the proposed trade between Gold Coast and Melbourne was as follows:

Melbourne In: Pick 3 (2,234 points), Pick 35 (522 points)

Gold Coast In: Pick 6 (1,751 points), Howe

That makes Howe worth 1005 points, perfectly in line with Mahoney saying Howe is worth a late first round / early second round pick e.g. pick 17 (1,025 points) or 18 (985 points).

Therefore I think we will go to Collingwood and say we want 1000 points worth of picks.

Not sure how it will happen if they spend them on Aish and Treloar....

....or P-16ish if we added-in some rounding out pick.

[samcantstandya 1,031]

What a wan%er! Dumb as dog sh*t he is. this is now confirmed in his choice to go to Collingwood. I'm a fan and don't buy into this "oh its the system and players have the right to test the markets and all that yada yada yada...whatever" He's just a pri%k now and I look forward to the Dees faithful sticking into him when we meet them next year. But hey, as long as Bucks remains in charge I'm happy. Because he is the biggest 'loser' in afl history and he just keeps getting worse and worse at Collingwood and for a die hard dee fan this is just great.

He's wanted to go to Collingwood since last year's trade period, apparently he said when GWS offered us a trade that he'd go to Collingwood. Hopefully him & Elliott will collide with each other when they go for their species.

[Redleg 40,233]

Pies now dealing with Lions on Aish. Treloar on $700k plus and Aish on say $500, how do the Pies fit in the $400k plus for Howe? Could they go off him, or release players to us to do the deal and save salary cap space?

Edited October 15, 2015 by Redleg

[samcantstandya 1,031]

Give Howe 2 options - GC or Carlton (PSD).

It then becomes fairly simple. If he wants to lumber at Carlton, good luck to him.

Y not make a stand it's supposedly a weak draft [censored] him off.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I negotiate contracts for a living

No amount of gonad growth banging of desks or tough talk works

What works is having an alternative offer, finding common ground and looking at the big picture - Michael corleone - strictly business

& if you can't get a satisfactory outcome for yourself/side, what do, you do.?

[coconut 41]

Pies now dealing with Lions on Aish. Treloar on $700k plus and Aish on say $500, how do the Pies fit in the $400k plus for Howe? Could they go off him, or release players to us to do the deal and save salary cap space?

Yeah but they will tell us this with about 1 hour remaining of trade period

[dee-luded 2,959]

Love the hatred people give.

Remember, we did not exactly offer Howe much, it's not like we have been saying we really want to keep him or upping the offer.

Kennedy and a pick 26 would be a good deal for us, I think Kennedy has better upside in the next three years and Howe won't make pies a top 8 side, nor will he leave a big hole in our team.

we probably offered, about watt he gave us.... = an un-satis factory output ?

[beelzebub 23,200]

Pies now dealing with Lions on Aish. Treloar on $700k plus and Aish on say $500, how do the Pies fit in the $400k plus for Howe? Could they go off him, or release players to us to do the deal and save salary cap space?

I believe in Santa too Red. Sometimes its still socks and jocks !!!

[coconut 41]

& if you can't get a satisfactory outcome for yourself/side, what do, you do.?

Its not always about strengthening your own list, not allowing another list with already numerous advantages to get stronger is a decent option. Howe at Carlton becomes largely irrelevant for us and rest of competition

I bet Eddie hasn't stopped texting Josh reminding him about how charitable they are with QB games and that they might reconsider that if we upset them

[daisycutter 29,343]

Mahoney said on SEN that '...+ pick 6 and Howe for GCS pick 3 and there were other things around that' were part of the GCS negotiations that had been worked thru'. MFC will now deal with Pies. Trade will happen this week. A 1st to 2nd rnd pick will get it done.

Mahoney sounded incredibly flat.

We have publicly declared our hand.

I am incredibly deflated right now.

We will never know what the GCS deal was and what Howe going to Pies will cost us.

Why can't we play hard ball...just once!

agree, but the problem now is clubs have little leverage with ooc players who now treat it some form of free agency

ultimately a club can only delist the player and let him chose nd/psd and terfeore get nothing/nada/zip

the relinquishing club has little choice if the player digs in

there has been a huge power shift going well beyond just the fa stuff