2015 Goal Kickers

[Little Goffy 14,513]

Hmm, raw numbers are tricky because of the variation in possible number of games played as well. So let's assume 22 games for everyone, if you like you can turn it into an average per game.

Main goalkickers -

Hogan, Garlett, 30-40 each..

Other forwards -

Dawes, Pederson, Petracca,Kenendy-Harris, 20-30 each.

Goalkicking mids/utilities -

Tyson, Howe, Watts, Salem, Kent, Vince, 10-20 each.

Resting ruckmen -

Jamar and Gawn - 10-20 each.

There are of course a variety of other possibilities, like Frost playing forward, Fitzpatrick finding form. I'm also making some assumptions about the flexible utility roles of Watts and Howe. It should be interesting seeing how it pans out - whatever the details we are likely to have a very even spread of goalkickers and a particularly high proportion of goals from players in the midfield or rotating forward/midfield.

We should, at least, make it past the miserable 8.6 goals a game we managed in 2014. [shudder]

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,383]

Whoever kicks the goals I want to see the team start to settle down. I was under the impression Frost was recruited as a key back, if that's the case leave him bloody down there. Find a spot a Howe, my preference is forward, where ever it is leave him there. We will have a number of new "best 22" this year. Let the team settle and hopefully through consistency and familiarity we will start to see improvement.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,383]

I would have thought key forwards should aim for 1 goal per qtr.

Edited December 11, 2014 by Al's Demons

[Radar Detector 1,347]

Wowee the ecpectations on Hesse Hogan are immense! Sure he is an impressive kid with some impressive attributes but he hasn't played an AFL game and hasn't played at any level for more than a year. If he exceeds Frawley's overall 2014 output that would be a good result... Maybe 20ish goals for the season. Dawes, Garlett and Watts should also all be around that mark.

I suspect Hogan should be a big improver into 2016 with some game time under his belt.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,383]

Aim to be the best and if you fall short its most probably still a reasonable result. This attitude of have a run, get a feel for the game needs to end. I don't expect Hogan to kick 80 this year but it can't hurt to set yourself targets. Run out with the mindset one straight kick on goal a quarter.

Mids who play 13-15 minutes out of a 20 minute qtr should be aiming for two tackles a qtr. Sydney is more than capable of achieving those numbers. We've had numerous games where we were soundly beaten and tackle numbers were shite.

[DeeSpencer 25,627]

Aim to be the best and if you fall short its most probably still a reasonable result. This attitude of have a run, get a feel for the game needs to end. I don't expect Hogan to kick 80 this year but it can't hurt to set yourself targets. Run out with the mindset one straight kick on goal a quarter.

Mids who play 13-15 minutes out of a 20 minute qtr should be aiming for two tackles a qtr. Sydney is more than capable of achieving those numbers. We've had numerous games where we were soundly beaten and tackle numbers were shite.

You can't just aim to tackle someone though. I mean you have to actually get the ball to win games! I get it if you are tagging but everyone else has to think about getting the footy not just tackling.

If the team is poor then Hogan will have to play large parts of games outside 50 or he wont get 1 kick per quarter.

I agree that none of our players should be trying to go out and just learn the game or whatever platitude is given, but there isn't really a set number of stats they should aim for. I mean if Hogan takes a dozen marks across centre half forward every week then I don't care if he doesn't score for a month because someone will be scoring from the forward entries.

[jnrmac 20,055]

I would have thought key forwards should aim for 1 goal per qtr.

And in the history of the game how many have done that?

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,383]

You can't just aim to tackle someone though. I mean you have to actually get the ball to win games! I get it if you are tagging but everyone else has to think about getting the footy not just tackling.

If the team is poor then Hogan will have to play large parts of games outside 50 or he wont get 1 kick per quarter.

I agree that none of our players should be trying to go out and just learn the game or whatever platitude is given, but there isn't really a set number of stats they should aim for. I mean if Hogan takes a dozen marks across centre half forward every week then I don't care if he doesn't score for a month because someone will be scoring from the forward entries.

Aim to win the clearance/stoppage first but it we don't everyone's attention should turn to chasing/tackling/defending. Obviously all games play out differently but with the amount of numbers around the ball at stoppages the opportunitys are there. Some of our players need to set themselves the goal firstly of laying an effective tackle, then move onto racking up numbers. Winning the tackle count doesn't mean youve lost the game. In some games this year Jones went head to head against opposition gun players, whilst his tackle numbers varied he did damage going the other way. I think largely over recent years our taggers have failed to carry out their job. There is room for improvement from the whole list. No there probably isn't a set number in terms of position, I see it more as an individual thing as we strive to become better. It should start with aiming to get pb's during the pre season. Edited December 11, 2014 by Al's Demons

[Moonshadow 17,675]

I think Chip Frawley and Mitch Clark will get the greater part of our goals in 2015. No doubt.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,383]

And in the history of the game how many have done that?

No idea what's the number?

[tonatopia 278]

2018

Hogan - 101

Petrecca - 82

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Some of the lists on this thread are genuinely ridiculous.

[beelzebub 23,321]

Some of the lists on this thread are genuinely ridiculous.

whats the giveaway ?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

whats the giveaway ?

There are far too many..

I agree that on paper we'll have what looks to be a more effective and potent forward-line compared to what we had running around this year.

But the number of goals our side kicks will be determined by our inside 50 count. We need to double our 2014 inside 50 count average if y'all want to see the kinds of results you're predicting.

And that's subject to how much improvement we see from our midfield and halfback-lline. Ball movement, contested and uncontested possession count, ability to hit targets regularly. We need to see a major improvement in all those areas. Which will then see an increase in our inside 50 count. Which will then result in more opportunities for our forwards. Which will hopefully bring more goals.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

I think it will be hard for anyone to top Garlett.

Dawes has never been a big goal kicker.

Hogan is a baby and will probably be roaming up the ground.

Nobody else is a bona fide goal kicker.

Tyson could come 2nd again in all honesty.

[DeeSpencer 25,627]

I think it will be hard for anyone to top Garlett.

Dawes has never been a big goal kicker.

Hogan is a baby and will probably be roaming up the ground.

Nobody else is a bona fide goal kicker.

Tyson could come 2nd again in all honesty.

Garlett's best seasons came at Carlton when second string behind Betts. So I think he'll struggle to reproduce 40 goal seasons in our side. He's also got to get back to some kind of form. He looks fast and skillful at training, but isn't the fittest and has never been the hardest. So I'm not setting the bar high on him until he proves he's still an AFL player.

Not that I think Dawes or Hogan will kick more than him. Kent's the other who should kick a few. 12 goals in 13 games including time as the sub last year. He should be on track for 20 games, 20 goals this year.

If one of them can kick 30 goals and all of them at least 20 plus from the group of Hogan, Dawes, Garlett and Kent then at least we have some consistency and something to build a forward line around. Ideally one more of Salem, Petracca, JKH, Fitzpatrick or Pedersen could do the same.

5 forwards kicking 30-35+ is what a modern forward line needs. It doesn't matter if the top guy kicks 80, 50 or even 40.

So I set the bar at 4 guys kicking 20 goals each.

[jnrmac 20,055]

No idea what's the number?

ha ha exactly 7

Hudson

Lockett

Coventry

Dunstall

McKenna

Pratt

Ablett Snr

So it should be a piece of cake for a first year player in Hogan

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Roos's game plan isn't about kicking goals it's about stoping them so I can't really see the goal telly changing much.

[CBDees 3,167]

Clarke to be Geelong's leading goalkicker and our lowest goal tally to be against Hawthorn with Frawley as Fullback!

[P-man 13,366]

Honestly it's so difficult to predict there's almost no point. When you consider all the variables...

The much hyped and highly talented but yet to debut KPF.

The out of form but genuine goal sneak on his second chance.

The forward turned backman turned maybe forward again.

The trampoline hands but still highly capable forward gorilla.

The number 2 draft pick who averaged 2.5 goals a game in the TAC Cup.

The uncertain degree of improvement in the midfield that will influence the number and quality of forward entries.

The defensive gameplan that may be about to have the shackles busted but may not.

Taking all that into consideration, who the hell knows how much the goal tally will increase?

One thing that is a relatively safe bet however is that it will increase.

Potentially significantly.

[nutbean 8,838]

This attitude of have a run, get a feel for the game needs to end.

I think you might find it is called learning the game.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Hogan 44

Garlett 30

Dawes 30

Petracca 26

Watts 22

Petracca - 26 goals?

Put your house on him for the Rising Star Award if that eventuates.

[nutbean 8,838]

Hogan 44

Garlett 30

Dawes 30

Petracca 26

Watts 22

Hogan 80

Garlett 48

Watts/Tyson/Viney/Salem/Petracca/ 40

Kent 28

Dawes 27

JKH 25

Howe 21

Call me optimistic, call me deluded, call me unrealistic, call me stupid, but what the hell, if we don't set our expectations high we won't have anything to aim at. Of course I'm expecting too much from Jesse Hogan but sometimes dreams come true.

Hogan 57

Garlett 42

Dawes 39

Vince 26

Kent 24

Just to get some perspective - This past season - Swans - Buddy 79, Two players hit early 30's, and two players hit mid 20's. The balance was under 20 goals.

Taking into account that we will get goals from mids - if we get close to the above goalkicking we will be playing finals.

[The Reverend 1,736]

Just to get some perspective - This past season - Swans - Buddy 79, Two players hit early 30's, and two players hit mid 20's. The balance was under 20 goals.

Taking into account that we will get goals from mids - if we get close to the above goalkicking we will be playing finals.

And won't that be grand?

[nutbean 8,838]

And won't that be grand?

You are mad.

You are delusional.

You are demented.

I like your style.