Why not just pick up James Gwilt as a delisted free agent. Same age and similar playing style as HL. Last years stats very similar and would cost us nothing and come with no baggage.

Finished top 10 in Saints B&F so played some OK footy last year.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=1566&tid2=16&pid2=1541&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

straight swap ... Clark fot Harry LalalalaBamba.

I can hear the music now

Why not just pick up James Gwilt as a delisted free agent. Same age and similar playing style as HL. Last years stats very similar and would cost us nothing and come with no baggage.

Finished top 10 in Saints B&F so played some OK footy last year.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=1566&tid2=16&pid2=1541&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

IMO - they are chalk in cheese on what they offer to the team.

For goodness sake stop using the word Homophobia. !!!! It is a nonsense. Homo Phobia is a fear of the same not a 'disdain for' or 'hatred of'. a same sex attracted person. Make up a new word for it. I'm tired of this nonsense word.

hah! i forgot about Tankball.

surely Harry will play four times as many games as sooky-la-la, so that's got to be a win.

who/where has it said we are getting him?

Imagine how boring the locker room would be with this guy in it

Would totally kill the mood and comraderie

yeah, the current locker room is really working well

happy locker room, good on field results......oh wait a minute

Why has it come down to HL vs MC?

Some people need to take a deep breath and have a look at the recruiting of Hawthorn and Sydney in recent years. Can you find a single example of where either of those teams have used a high draft pick or made a significant trade for a player who is not either a ball winning midfielder or a key position player? You simply don't build a premiership team, even a half decent team, by investing in flankers and utility types. Build the midfield, build the spine and, once you have done that, then you look for some cream to go on top.

The footballer formally known as Harry O'Brien (hereafter known as TFFKAHOB) is a half back flanker and a fairly average one at that.

Thankfully I suspect Roos and co know a little more about list building than the morons that have been in charge in recent years.

Some people need to take a deep breath and have a look at the recruiting of Hawthorn and Sydney in recent years. Can you find a single example of where either of those teams have used a high draft pick or made a significant trade for a player who is not either a ball winning midfielder or a key position player? You simply don't build a premiership team, even a half decent team, by investing in flankers and utility types. Build the midfield, build the spine and, once you have done that, then you look for some cream to go on top.

The footballer formally known as Harry O'Brien (hereafter known as TFFKAHOB) is a half back flanker and a fairly average one at that.

Thankfully I suspect Roos and co know a little more about list building than the morons that have been in charge in recent years.

Yep, Gunston is a HFF, Hale a forward pocket/ruck and Gibson a HBF who sometimes has to play tall.

Shaw a HBF, Malceski a HBF, McGlin a HFF who recently has spent more mid time.

It's not so clear cut 'poita', they haven't in a lot of cases had high draft picks to trade anyway and I don't think we will be giving away a first round pick on 'H'

I trust Roos will get the mix right though, his predecessors certainly stuffed it up.

Is he out of contract?

Over on the Collingwood site there are some that think Lumumba is worth Clark and a draft pick.

There are some delusional people around.

Over on the Collingwood site there are some that think Lumumba is worth Clark and a draft pick.

There are some delusional people around.

There are plenty who live on this board as well!

I feel sick EVERY time I hear of this person being licked to my beloved Dee's!

I even thought it was a 'September April Fools Joke" when SEN today mentioned a swap of Clarke and Laboomba!

He is a nothing player and will only cause (more) grief at Melbourne!

Over on the Collingwood site there are some that think Lumumba is worth Clark and a draft pick.

There are some delusional people around.

That's not that surprising given Lumumba's played about 60 games in the past three years compared to Clark's 15 or so.

But I'm hopeful the fact that Clark is key forward/ruck - an even more valuable commodity in the current game - means that the Pies desire to get him will mean they see a trade with Lumumba as a fairly even split.

To me it's a very even transaction, because both have offfield issues, both are about same age and both solve problem areas with their respective new clubs.

But for us the best bonus is that Lumumba's ability to provide dash from the wing means Roosy has an obvious replacement for our current tall wingman - and I don't mean Daniel Cross.

Without commenting on any off-field issues and what we would need to trade to get him, but purely from an on field perspective Lumumba is exactly the type of player we need.

Can play half back and wing, has explosive pace, likes to run and carry the ball and is generally a good user and decision maker. Importantly, he has a touch of spark about him that can lift the team and the crowd.

All of the above would be very welcome in a team that is lacking in the attributes that he would bring to the table. Who currently can spark the side with devastating line-breaking run?

A good mate of mine is a passionate Collingwood fan and he is very angry at Buckley for moving on a number of experienced players and in particular the prospect of moving on Lumumba. He has watched Lumumba every game for years and is a big fan.

Pointless stat: if he comes across, his first game for us would be his 200th AFL game.

He's experienced, still relatively young, has hardly missed a game in the last 5 seasons, and is exactly the type of player we need as described by Scoop above.

Might be good to finally have someone with some flair. Let's get him

Pointless stat: if he comes across, his first game for us would be his 200th AFL game.

He's experienced, still relatively young, has hardly missed a game in the last 5 seasons, and is exactly the type of player we need as described by Scoop above.

... and yet I wonder why I feel a trifle uneasy about the prospect of getting him on board at the club?

A good mate of mine is a passionate Collingwood fan and he is very angry at Buckley for moving on a number of experienced players and in particular the prospect of moving on Lumumba. He has watched Lumumba every game for years and is a big fan.

A good mate of mine is a passionate Collingwood fan and he has watched Lumumba every game for years and can't stand him. Says he is completely unaccountable, makes horrible decisions and is a horrible user of the ball.

I have debated with him several times as I'm a huge fan from what I've seen. But he is adamant and says many other Pies supporters can't stand him as well. They see a lot more of him than I have and I rate his opinion, so opinions are evidently divided on him as a player. Not sure if he would be the ultimate disciplined role player which characterises a Roos player.

Having said all of that, from what I've personally ever seen, I'd love to have him. I've seen him tear a big one in several top teams over the journey as well as us.

... and yet I wonder why I feel a trifle uneasy about the prospect of getting him on board at the club?

Because he's unique and has standards that aren't from the 'cookie cutter' football-speak world? Too many smart experienced football people rate him as a person for me not to think he's quality, just different.

A good mate of mine is a passionate Collingwood fan and he has watched Lumumba every game for years and can't stand him. Says he is completely unaccountable, makes horrible decisions and is a horrible user of the ball.

I have debated with him several times as I'm a huge fan from what I've seen. But he is adamant and says many other Pies supporters can't stand him as well. They see a lot more of him than I have and I rate his opinion, so opinions are evidently divided on him as a player. Not sure if he would be the ultimate disciplined role player which characterises a Roos player.

Having said all of that, from what I've personally ever seen, I'd love to have him. I've seen him tear a big one in several top teams over the journey as well as us.

I sat in front of a Collingwood supporter a couple of years ago who just went to town on the bloke all game--so much so that I wondered if he hated him for some other reason besides his poor disposal. Every time Harry did something good, I waited for the guy behind me to say something nice about it, but he didn't.

why wouldn't ya bloody want him?!

I can't stand Lumumba off the field, what does he call "Otunes" now by the way?..

And I can't stomach him on the field. Gets it, baulks/goose steps, runs 20 and kicks it long and high 55. Often in hope, often turned over.

However, I can't stand Jack Grimes either. Gets it, hesitates, hesitates, looks sideways, kicks it 20m and turns it over.

So if I look at it in terms of metres gained, we're 55m better off with Lumumba.

But Grimes is a better defender.

And Grimes is a perennial coaches and supporters favourite so I'd have to deal with both of the headaches in my team.

How about the Lumumba thing f_s off, ship Grimes off to GWS, get Sam Frost in who isn't the best kick but has pace to burn and will develop nicely. Get Malceski via free agency. Trade Clark and an early pick and whatever else they want to Adelaide for Tex.

We'll start to look alright.

Someone else can figure out how to fix the midfield.

I can't stand Lumumba off the field, what does he call "Otunes" now by the way?..

And I can't stomach him on the field. Gets it, baulks/goose steps, runs 20 and kicks it long and high 55. Often in hope, often turned over.

However, I can't stand Jack Grimes either. Gets it, hesitates, hesitates, looks sideways, kicks it 20m and turns it over.

So if I look at it in terms of metres gained, we're 55m better off with Lumumba.

But Grimes is a better defender.

And Grimes is a perennial coaches and supporters favourite so I'd have to deal with both of the headaches in my team.

How about the Lumumba thing [censored] off, ship Grimes off to GWS, get Sam Frost in who isn't the best kick but has pace to burn and will develop nicely. Get Malceski via free agency. Trade Clark and an early pick and whatever else they want to Adelaide for Tex...

We'll start to look alright.

Someone else can figure out how to fix the midfield.

Nice avatar. It suits you.