Chip Frawley

[Machsy 2,858]

Well may be a risk but if we get pick 1 & 2 or even Picks 1, 2 & 3pp

Shiel & Treleor for Pick 1 & 2 and I their second round pick which would give us Shiel, Treloar and Picks around 20 & 21 or Shiel, Treleor & Picks 3, 20 & 21

Take it in a heartbeat I would

They'd have to be mad.

Maybe Shiel, but they'd never let Treloar go.

Remember, GWS aren't trying to stockpile high picks endlessly.

They are trying to offload the former high picks not good enough to stick in their 22, in return for more high picks.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

Frawley decides where and who he plays on now?

Don't we have a coach?

Come on...

He is the leader of the backline, Roosy wants him to back himself to do those sorts of things as well as run off and take the game on, he mentioned it in a presser earlier this year

absolutely if Tom mcdonald can't run he has the authority to say look i'll take Roo as he's the most dangerous player and you are struggling abit, take the lesser opponent for now, the game was there to be won and in my opinion he missed a trick.

[Machsy 2,858]

He hasn't been a vocal leader, but he can still lead. Nathan Jones has never really been a vocal leader until a couple of press conferences this season but he still shows his leadership on the field - sometimes he convinces me with his attitude among the packs that he'd die for the jumper. Frawley doesn't display the same on gameday while I distinctly remember he used to.

Although he hasn't been a vocal leader in the past, there's nothing stopping him coming out now and holding a presser where he announces that he's 100% behind Roos and the club. That would instil some confidence in the guys playing around him I have no doubt and would be a great act of leadership and loyalty.

Unfortunately I doubt he will do it because I firmly believe he's off.

I don't necessarily agree, but maybe rather than blaming Frawley, we should blame the club for any apparent malaise he is suffering..?

Your last line says it all - you're more than happy to blame Frawley because you're bitter and have been convinced he is leaving.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Machsy

[binman 42,972]

I maintain its pretty hard to be named in the best when you are continually under siege, and purely by the weight of numbers you have buckley's chance of producing a performance that will get your name in the best players.

You can't beat a forward line, or half a forward line on your own, but that's what has been expected.

And I'm not even talking about a performance worthy of getting in the best, because I think he has produced that.

I'm talking about a performance that will be recognised as being worthy of selection in the best players.

2 different things, the latter totally dependent on the person selecting the best, and their ability to recognise the value of his performance against the odds.

Difficult to do when those in the papers often just go off the stat sheet.

I don't care about what they say in the papers. What about your opinion as footy follower.? Lets take the 3 games this year. Has he been our best player - or even among the best - in any of the 3 games? How many games last year do think he was one of our best players? My answers are none and very, very few.

And the bluey is decided on by the club not footy journos who don't recognise a truly valuable performance.

As for being named in the best when you are continually under siege as defender, Laurie Fowler won 3 Blueys when were consistently near the bottom. Steven Icke won one when we were struggling as did Danny Hughes and Steven Smith (who played as a backman in the year he won). Gary Hardeman was both a star and a true leader for us. Peter Giles and Sean Wight were two more inspirational players that played well in key posts down back in struggling sides.

Edited April 8, 2014 by binman

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Maybe Red but will take an eternity to develop a strong list operating on this basis and meanwhile as the kids improve we get

picked off at the back end as the more successful/wealthier ,wait for the good ones to come out of contract.

IMO Free Agency has effectively devalued the National Draft and both need to be reviewed.

Replacing a mature, quality player with two quality babies might work for some clubs long term, but wont help us much, so question seems to be would trading a hypothetical draft pick two get you an 'immediate' Frawley type replacement? If not, isn't the system unbalanced and prejudiced toward the strong?

Silly situation to me.

[Little Richard 6,262]

I don't necessarily agree, but maybe rather than blaming Frawley, we should blame the club for any apparent malaise he is suffering..?

How about we just agree to blame Jack Watts?

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

They'd have to be mad.

Maybe Shiel, but they'd never let Treloar go.

Remember, GWS aren't trying to stockpile high picks endlessly.

They are trying to offload the former high picks not good enough to stick in their 22, in return for more high picks.

You don't ask you don't know, they wont be the only club chasing Pick 1 & 2, they may only want one of those picks but other clubs may have something they want.

Long shot but I would give it a fly

[Demonland 72,193]

Melbourne defender James Frawley puts $800,000 bounty on his head to switch clubs

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Frawley has never been a vocal leader.

It's not his personality.

You haven't figured that out yet, after all these years?

I think you and many others are reading things into his performance based on your expectations, rather than simply judging what's infront of you. You expect him to leave, so you judge everything based on that.

And context is lacking in the case of that one isolated incident.

You ignore the fact he had run upfield as we had possession, then had to backtrack after a poor turnover.

Not just that, but even if he hasn't, I wouldn't be so silly as to condemn a player based on one single mental lapse when he has brought so much else to the table.

It's not his personality? haha.

Machsy. At AFL level, I expect any player who is as experienced as Frawley to engage in some sort of dialogue or communication in directing and organising the backline. I don't care what sort of personality you have. It's part of playing the game.

Grimes and Garland to a lesser extent is starting to be more vocal. But I rarely see it from Frawley and that's been the case for a while, not just this year. My expectations are that he should be playing at a higher intensity, for longer and with far greater levels of concentration. It's got nothing to do with me thinking he's going to leave. And it is certainly not based on the one incident you keep banging on about.

I thought Frawley was just as poor for most of last year, and that's before all this contract talk had entered the frame. In my eyes, for whatever the reason/reasons, he is contributing very little for our 'team' on the field. Very little.

You keep harping on about me basing my expectations of him from a

mindset that already believes him to be gone..

But that's your assessment of my opinion which is based on your mindset of thinking that I believe he is leaving.

And you're wrong my good man. I have thought this about Frawley for quite some time now, and you're the one jumping down the throats of people because the issue is clearly more sensitive surrounding the contractual situation.

Edited April 8, 2014 by stevethemanjordan

[binman 42,972]

Grimes and Garland to a lesser extent is starting to be more vocal.

To my list of defenders who have been regularly among our best i'd add Garland. He was terrific last year and showed true leadership. This was reflected by his second in the Bluey, only 5 votes behind Jones (365 - 360)

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

To my list of defenders who have been regularly among our best i'd add Garland. He was terrific last year and showed true leadership. This was reflected by his second in the Bluey, only 5 votes behind Jones (365 - 360)

Garland is our best defender by a mile, he can play tall or small, can run off and do damage, is a great leader, smart guy, i reckon he's close to our most important player, and i reckon he has the potential to be a seriously good coach down the track

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Frawley has always made the bad skill error in a game.

He has always looked a bit indecisive.

These things happen when the spotlight is on you for so long due to being the last line of defence in a pathetic team. They happen when you have to use the ball more than a normal full back would. They are not new.

Suddenly they are happening as he no longer cares BS BS BS.....

The same peanut gallery wanted him cut from the list in his first couple of years as according to them, he was never going to make it as an AFL player

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

Frawley has always made the bad skill error in a game.

He has always looked a bit indecisive.

These things happen when the spotlight is on you for so long due to being the last line of defence in a pathetic team. They happen when you have to use the ball more than a normal full back would. They are not new.

Suddenly they are happening as he no longer cares BS BS BS.....

The same peanut gallery wanted him cut from the list in his first couple of years as according to them, he was never going to make it as an AFL player

I question his role as a leader when effort related issues arise after he has put contract talks on hold absolutely, 3 minutes into a game he fails to chase, Tom Mcdonald chased and was further away.

doesn't think on his feet and allows Roo to kick essentially 3 uncontested goals because Mcdonald couldn't run..

puts his hand up to be a leader of the club, then asks to see the direction before he commits, that just doesn't sit well with me, i understand he wants to make sure we won't stay a basket case, fair enough but he is allowed to set the direction himself, right now i don't feel he is doing that.

[Ouch! 2,263]

Oh no - i feel ill thinking about the Wright (nee kruezer) cup. We'll blow it again!

Crucial game this week?

Nah... I think we are much better prepared to be crap than they are

No one would even accuse us of tanking !

[binman 42,972]

Nah... I think we are much better prepared to be crap than they are

No one would even accuse us of tanking !

True. What if we win? Would be ironic if the blues were then accused of tanking.

I have to say it is just our luck to come up against a side 0-3 and that is 'seething'. That said surely we need no other motivation to beat them. What joy that would be! Roosy should email our list a link to the Brock Mclean interview where he put us in it.

I have to say the pressure is all on them not us!

[Machsy 2,858]

Frawley has always made the bad skill error in a game.

He has always looked a bit indecisive.

These things happen when the spotlight is on you for so long due to being the last line of defence in a pathetic team. They happen when you have to use the ball more than a normal full back would. They are not new.

Suddenly they are happening as he no longer cares BS BS BS.....

The same peanut gallery wanted him cut from the list in his first couple of years as according to them, he was never going to make it as an AFL player

Often on TV it looks terrible when Frawley streams out of defense with the footy, then a split-second of indecisiveness, followed by an awkward kick, and unfortunately often a turnover.

What you don't see unless you're at the game, is his teammates complete lack of awareness or ability to get to where they need to so they provide an option for him to kick to.

Far too often he finds himself having to try to create something out of nothing, because his mates further afield are asleep at the wheel.

Even Ablett struggled with this early in his time at GCS.

Not to say Frawley is perfect, but he largely doesn't get any help even though he's doing the right thing.

[jackaub 1,402]

Frawley has never been a vocal leader.

It's not his personality.

You haven't figured that out yet, after all these years?

I think you and many others are reading things into his performance based on your expectations, rather than simply judging what's infront of you. You expect him to leave, so you judge everything based on that.

And context is lacking in the case of that one isolated incident.

You ignore the fact he had run upfield as we had possession, then had to backtrack after a poor turnover.

Not just that, but even if he hasn't, I wouldn't be so silly as to condemn a player based on one single mental lapse when he has brought so much else to the table.

Hasn't been any sort of leader in my book for the last 3 years

Its really up to Frawley if he wants to play good footy and show some senior leadership he will the fact he doesn't is not good news

He is becoming part of the problem

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

from the 16 second mark to about the 40 second mark is pretty hard to watch as i have been a huge fan of frawley, but that non chase is simply not good enough from a so called leader.

[pantaloons 2,019]

from the 16 second mark to about the 40 second mark is pretty hard to watch as i have been a huge fan of frawley, but that non chase is simply not good enough from a so called leader.

I note the use of the term "None. Zilch" at the end of the clip. Was this the work of Enyaw?

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

I note the use of the term "None. Zilch" at the end of the clip. Was this the work of Enyaw?

No idea, i remember someone on hear linked it to another thread.

[Jaded No More 68,916]

It's one thing when a senior player who has put his heart and soul into every game and does his best to lead the team wants out, it's another when said senior player has been average at best and showed pretty poor leadership for 2 seasons and somehow thinks he is entitled to make demands.

If you want us to be better Chip, it starts with you. You're one of our most senior and experienced players, and you've had 2 pretty ordinary years. $800k? Dreaming!

[Machsy 2,858]

from the 16 second mark to about the 40 second mark is pretty hard to watch as i have been a huge fan of frawley, but that non chase is simply not good enough from a so called leader.

Who is the pillock that put this video together?

What a monumental w***er.

[Sir Why You Little 37,039]

It's one thing when a senior player who has put his heart and soul into every game and does his best to lead the team wants out, it's another when said senior player has been average at best and showed pretty poor leadership for 2 seasons and somehow thinks he is entitled to make demands.

If you want us to be better Chip, it starts with you. You're one of our most senior and experienced players, and you've had 2 pretty ordinary years. $800k? Dreaming!

But sadly it aint a dream. Hawthorn Freo or Adelaide will get him. They can all pay it.

He aint worth that much but he will get it.

[Fat Tony 5,231]

If we finish last we would be much better off letting Frawley go. The compensation is sure to be overs and, as sad as it is, the only way out of our hole is through the draft. But we also need to be very aggressive in targeting an uncontracted non-free agent in the PSD with a well over the market offer. i.e. Fyfe (Freo), O’Rourke, Ploughman (GWS) or Mitchell (Swans). Adelaide will be getting nervous that Dangerfield will leave as a free agent for modest compensation (and want to make a play for Gibbs) and could entertain a trade.

Convincing anyone to join us will be the hard part, even with a bucket full of cash.

[Demon Disciple 12,128]

If we finish last we would be much better off letting Frawley go. The compensation is sure to be overs and, as sad as it is, the only way out of our hole is through the draft.

Have to agree with you Fat Tony.

Frawley, as important to our backline as he is, is not worth the money he is commanding, and a top 5 pick, let alone the 2nd pick, would be overs for him.

If we were to end up with a couple of very high drat picks and also a PP, which the AFL definitely owes us, we have to go about doing trades like the Dom Tyson one. I don't mind keeping one high pick, but we can't solely rely on the draft. We need to bring in as much young talent as we can. If that's swapping a high pick for a good player and a lower high pick, then i'm all for it.

But i think 2009 alone shows that bringing in 100% of the new players' through the draft is as irresponsible as it is reckless. Especially given our draft record.