The Successor

[beelzebub 23,390]

Sorry I don't follow this at all, you are correct there is no agreement other than the gentleman's agreement that the club permits the coach to move elsewhere. However there is still a contract and Sydney is well within their rights to point that out to Dew that he is under contract, and they were planning on extending it anyway.

Sure it's frustrating, but Roos and PJ don't seem to be pushing the issue further than it has gone, we just move on. If it's true that he made contact with us, and it wasn't the other way round, and no interview has taken place (as such a thing was blocked by Sydney) then the media's assertions that he was going to be annointed the successor is perhaps a little premature, he would have just been one of the candidates just like any of the others.

Kinda similar to the 2.7mil bailout package that is infact only 1.45mil... yet another thing the media got wrong it seems.

whats hard to follow

Either there is an agreement , gentleman's or none that any one seeking to promote themselves through another offer is free to do so.

The Job at the MFC is Senior coach in waiting, with a timeline etc. That would have to trump anything Sydney is offering therefor the ought to be free to pursue it.

Sydney cant have it both ways. i think it would be well within reason for the Vlad empire to clarify this , in the interests of all

[Ouch! 2,269]

I don't follow your reasoning on why the AFL needs to get involved with anything to do with this. My understanding is that the gentleman's agreement (and the rules regarding poaching coaches prior to the end of season) is something that the AFL coaching association deals with, it's not the AFL.

If Roos/PJ have backed away from talking to him after Sydney has claimed him as a required coach there isn't anything more to be done... he has a contract with them, and it's something that apparently they are looking to extend. If Dew feels like he is being hard done by he can always take it further.

We have no clue whether Sydney were preparing to offer Dew an increased role @ their club, and at the moment (successor aside) the MFC are offering a senior assistant role.

[beelzebub 23,390]

Oucher... the AFL controls the game.. it has the ability to lean on people...what dont you get ?

[Grimes Times 1,278]

The Clarkson rumour has been floating around Perth for a month or so and I would not be surprised. Meth Coast are currently irrelevant in Perth and they don't like it.

They will want to climb back up again as quick as possible

If the Clarkson to WCE rumor turns out true you'd think Simpson would be fav to coach Haw.

[beelzebub 23,390]

Im just incredibly curious as to why Clarkson would be going .

[PaulRB 6,432]

Im just incredibly curious as to why Clarkson would be going .

After his time at Melbourne, Clarkson is finding all the success at Hawthorn hard to handle.

Or so I've heard.

Edited September 25, 2013 by PaulRB

[beelzebub 23,390]

Memo to Alastair, A Mr P Roos has a house over there for sale....apparently .

Take the first plane Clarkson,
And I'll meet you at the airport.
You can be be there by five thirty,
'Cause I made your reservation.
Don't be slow, oh, no, no, no!
Oh, no, no, no!

Edited September 25, 2013 by Belzebubsy

[Jaded No More 68,975]

Clarkson is contracted. How can he go coach West Coast?

Surely Hawthorn won't let him go.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Oucher... the AFL controls the game.. it has the ability to lean on people...what dont you get ?

This is just a comment on the contract situation not the whole discussion

The AFL won't step in over contract disputes - Courts of Australia will decide who's right and wrong not the AFL

Generally speaking AFL as discussed by you guys clubs let coaches break their contracts to pursue opportunities to get senior jobs - Clubs can technically hold individuals to their contracts as long as they are entitled to enforce them....

Sydney are clearly [censored] with the Dees - AFL won't step in... end of story

[Ouch! 2,269]

Oucher... the AFL controls the game.. it has the ability to lean on people...what dont you get ?

Because he has a contract with Sydney. A gentleman's agreement isnt' a binding agreement, and TBH why would the AFL give a damn about coaching contracts?

Anyway, it's a non issue and not really on topic.

[beelzebub 23,390]

UH

please....you must realise the world doesnt operate to the 'rules" all the time. lol Things happen....you kknow....Im sure you understand

[beelzebub 23,390]

Because he has a contract with Sydney. A gentleman's agreement isnt' a binding agreement, and TBH why would the AFL give a damn about coaching contracts?

Anyway, it's a non issue and not really on topic.

Because the AFL has in its own way been trying to give us a leg up. Its in THEIR interest

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

UH

please....you must realise the world doesnt operate to the 'rules" all the time. lol Things happen....you kknow....Im sure you understand

I agree mate... I just think in this situation it is relevant as the Swans are upset with Roosy and it seems (from my limited knowledge) they are enforcing Dew's contract

Will be interesting to see what happens

[Ouch! 2,269]

Because the AFL has in its own way been trying to give us a leg up. Its in THEIR interest

They have already given us a leg up with the 1.45mil and PJ. If it's not in their interest to give us a PP, why would they care about letting Dew have an interview.... I don't disagree with you as such, more that I think you are overestimating the interest that the AFL should/do have in this.

Only thing further I'll say on this is that I agree with your comment that Colless has a double standard here. On one hand he says Roos is breaching a gentleman's agreement in talking to Lloyd Perris, on the other he doesn't seem to be upholding the gentleman's agreement in regards to allowing Dew to talk to us.

[Mickey 4,756]

While I Want other clubs hating us because we're ruthless, I don't want to be known as the elite club who has to go crying to the AFL bigwigs when we don't get our way.

I want them to hate us because people want to come to us, both players, coaches and officials. I want them to hate us because we are elite, both on and off the field.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Roos mentioned on OTC that Dew applied for the position, but that the Swans won't allow him to be interviewed. Roos didn't make it clear as to who first approached who, but I got the impression that maybe Dew made the move.

Isn't that what I said?

[beelzebub 23,390]

Clarkson reaffirming hes not going west apparent...various articles appearing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-25/clarko-quashes-eagles-rumour

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/alastair-clarkson-reaffirms-his-commitment-to-hawthorn-20130925-2ucz2.html

Edited September 25, 2013 by Belzebubsy

[Robbie57 2,026]

Swans mishandling this. If Dews applied how do they expect to keep him in the longer term just doesn't make sense to make a public issue of it.

[rjay 25,307]

George Stone has an extraordinary record for development, and is a huge bonus for the MFC. He IS a lock for the MFC, and my source is the only person in his world who is a little unsure how they'll cope with him being back home full time.

Tell her that George's job at Melbourne will keep him at the club for long, long hours getting this ship back on course.

[Pennant St Dee 13,402]

Clarkson is contracted. How can he go coach West Coast?

Surely Hawthorn won't let him go.

Malthouse was contracted to Meth Coast for 2000

Bomba Thompson was contracted to the Cats for 2011

[Machsy 2,858]

Ross Lyon was contracted to St Kilda when he left for Freo.

[Ouch! 2,269]

Ross Lyon was contracted to St Kilda when he left for Freo.

Are you sure this is correct?? I thought Craig Kelly his manager was negotiating with St Kilda at the time, and was all but certain that Lyon would re-sign with the saints. Hence why Garry Lyon didn't push further when he asked CK whether there would be any chance of getting Ross to the MFC, and why the Saints were blindsided when the presser in Freo took place.

Happy to be corrected though.

[Machsy 2,858]

They were negotiating for an extension.

He had 1 year left on his contract, and St Kilda at the time were copping criticism for letting it get to that point when he was clearly one of the best coaches in the game

That's how I remember it. Haven't checked old articles to confirm.

[The HuLK 139]

Adam Simpson will be Paul Roos senior assistant. Can't tell you my source but it's as good as done!

[Machsy 2,858]

If true, probably the least surprising choice possible, but I'll take it.