The Trade/Draft Rumour Mill

[rpfc 28,087]

I think it is obvious that we it the Tyson deal done last week to keep other players out of it. The longer it drags on the more chance we might be usurped by more attractive club.

So to Osilik, who thinks we paid overs although measurement is a bit fraught this early - we might not have been able to do the deal at all if it was delayed and another team entered the fray.

[rjay 24,689]

There seemed to be hardly any players traded as a direct trade by any club. More free agent movement and trade for picks. Shaw for Adams was one, where there any others?

[jumbo returns 6,721]

Or someone like Gillies...

He was worth more than his spot on the list, which is what he was sold for. I didn't like it then and I still don't like it.

Was there ever a worse pick than Gillies? Anyone?

Oh yeah, Lucas Cook.

[DemonOX 8,743]

I reckon Barret is Denhams long lost son.

Both believe their own dribble and think they are important.

Edited October 25, 2013 by DemonOX

[dazzledavey36 53,454]

Matt Thompson ‏@MattThompsonAFL 4m

Reckon Melbourne did better at the trade/free agency this year than last. They need things to go right in 2014! #tradedebate @AFL

[deanox 9,791]

I think it is obvious that we it the Tyson deal done last week to keep other players out of it. The longer it drags on the more chance we might be usurped by more attractive club.

So to Osilik, who thinks we paid overs although measurement is a bit fraught this early - we might not have been able to do the deal at all if it was delayed and another team entered the fray.

I actually disagree. I really don't think anyone could think we paid overs.

In many years there is a standout group at the to of the draft. Top 2-4 players, or maybe a top 2 followed by 3-6 players who could go anywhere.

In this draft there is a stand out pick 1, then a bunch of players (some rated higher than others but it's a sliding scale, not a clear cut step ahead, and the difference is arguably based on needs and player development level).

We swapped pick 2 for a previous top 3 pick and a second bite at the cherry on pick 9.

Where would Tyson go off he was to nominate for the ND this year and said "I don't care who takes me?" Pick 2? Pick 5? Pick 10?

I would trade picks 2 and 20 for pick 5 and 9. Even for picks 9 and 10 is a good deal given the flat nature of this draft.

We just got two top 10 talents for one top 10 pick. The rest is just maneuvering to make the deals a bit more even.

[Craig Drinker 179]

I thought we traded exceptionally well. I was very pleased with the outcomes. Time will tell I guess.

[InVINCEable 358]

I want

Sheed

Freeman

or Crouch

[DemonOX 8,743]

With the trade over could it possibly mean that Frawley may be staying or am I clutching at straws?

[InVINCEable 358]

With the trade over could it possibly mean that Frawley may be staying or am I clutching at straws?

Can't see him leaving, although i think he is out of contract next year, put a contract to him.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I think the reason it's an A+ is that in assessing the performance it's important to take into account the desirability of the destination.

Absolutely. GWS and MFC share the employer of last choice notwithstanding the competence of Roos and Jackson to right a sinking ship.

[Adam The God 29,685]

What I think is interesting is that we didn't trade anyone out and not only that but there was little if any talk in the media about any of our players being traded out.

It could have been because they just were not rated or it could have been a philosophy. I think it's the second. I think Roos recognizes the need to restore confidence and if he had traded players out this could send an unwanted message to the playing group but more importantly he recognizes that the previous FD were so inept that he can't really make a fair judgement on the marginal players like Tapscott, Blease or Strauss.

This contrasts so much with last year. I wonder which will produce better results?

Could be it, but I reckon there was simply minimal to no interest in any of our potential discards. We didn't want to throw players away for nothing like last trade period, so we held tight.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,136]

Could be it, but I reckon there was simply minimal to no interest in any of our potential discards. We didn't want to throw players away for nothing like last trade period, so we held tight.

I believe so. I posed the question some time ago re which melbourne players would be automatic inclusions in another side if we folded. Answer = buggar all.

[Slartibartfast 16,968]

I'm staggered by the devaluation of players once they are drafted. Tyson is pick 3 originally and has 2 years on the clock and we were somehow ripped off paying pick 2 and upgrading other picks - 20 to 9 being a very valuable upgrade.

Players at this level don't depreciate once drafted, they're not like cars driven out of the new car yard, they actually appreciate. But people get so intoxicated by blue sky and want to punt a "star" they interpret very good trades as negative.

People are waxing lyrical over this years crop of early picks but it will be highly unusual if 3 or 4 of them aren't disappointments if not outright duds. Still people will continue to be blue sky junkies and then lash out at those who fed their fantasies and got the dud.

[Slartibartfast 16,968]

I believe so. I posed the question some time ago re which melbourne players would be automatic inclusions in another side if we folded. Answer = buggar all.

I'd be very surprised if there weren't clubs interest in Blease or Fitzy. It's not only a matter of how good a player is now but what the new club believes they can do with the talent. And every club knows how poor we've been at developing our talent.

Roos has backed the list and his ability to do something with it. Neeld just blamed the players. Someone should have given him a mirror for Christmas.

[cat attack 26]

I want

Sheed

Freeman

or Crouch

Would think we would end up with one if those or KK

[Yossarian 1,820]

I'd be very surprised if there weren't clubs interest in Blease or Fitzy. It's not only a matter of how good a player is now but what the new club believes they can do with the talent. And every club knows how poor we've been at developing our talent.

Roos has backed the list and his ability to do something with it. Neeld just blamed the players. Someone should have given him a mirror for Christmas.

Makes me wonder if having Roos worked against us in the case of guys like Blease and Tappy. "Well if Paul Roos doesn't think he can develop him into a decent player, what chance do we have?"

[Bitter but optimistic 22,136]

I'd be very surprised if there weren't clubs interest in Blease or Fitzy. It's not only a matter of how good a player is now but what the new club believes they can do with the talent. And every club knows how poor we've been at developing our talent.

Roos has backed the list and his ability to do something with it. Neeld just blamed the players. Someone should have given him a mirror for Christmas.

My post mentioned automatic inclusions Bob. At the time Clarke and Jones would have about been it. I agree that Neeld sent our players into fast reverse and, I also like Fitzy. Hope Roos can right the ship!

[Slartibartfast 16,968]

My post mentioned automatic inclusions Bob. At the time Clarke and Jones would have about been it. I agree that Neeld sent our players into fast reverse and, I also like Fitzy. Hope Roos can right the ship!

You highlighted " minimal interest in potential draftees" and went on to say " I believe so". I was referring to that point and take no issue with our players struggling to be AFL standard.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

The media expect us to select the players they choose and in the past we have; this time we went our own way and it's upset a couple of them. Care factor,zero.

I'm happy, I would expect the club are happy, care factor 100%.

I think they'll pick Freeman at pick 9 and that will top off a good draft period for us, I like Sheed but I think Roos likes Freeman.

Either will be good, will that make Barrett any happier, who gives a [censored].

[Bitter but optimistic 22,136]

The media expect us to select the players they choose and in the past we have; this time we went our own way and it's upset a couple of them. Care factor,zero.

I'm happy, I would expect the club are happy, care factor 100%.

I think they'll pick Freeman at pick 9 and that will top off a good draft period for us, I like Sheed but I think Roos likes Freeman.

Either will be good, will that make Barrett any happier, who gives a [censored].

Same for Robbo the illiterate, who gives a [censored]?

Edited October 25, 2013 by Bitter but optimistic

[Roos can't lose 43]

Herald sun gave us b -

Down graded due to question marks whether Dom Tyson worth pick 2

Had a contact who coached Dom in some context when he was Captain of oakleigh said he was a beauty and was a quality character

[Little Richard 6,219]

The media expect us to select the players they choose and in the past we have; this time we went our own way and it's upset a couple of them. Care factor,zero.

I'm happy, I would expect the club are happy, care factor 100%.

I think they'll pick Freeman at pick 9 and that will top off a good draft period for us, I like Sheed but I think Roos likes Freeman.

Either will be good, will that make Barrett any happier, who gives a [censored].

The footy media these days tend to have no idea until about a minute before the news breaks anyway.

I don't think Freeman will be available at 9 - Collingwood are apparently keen on him with 6 but I hope he falls through. If he's not available, Sheed or Lennon could be likely types.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

There was a phone poll the other day and 65% said Collingwood did best then we came in second at 21% so I guess the broader supporter population have more of a clue.

[tonatopia 278]

looks like jamar had little trade value.

dont discount crouch on being selected y us. just watch him hunt the ball and get the darn thing. he is a clone of todd viney.