Jump to content

Dennis Pagan

low down

By low down
in Melbourne Demons

 Share

Recommended Posts

What Legend

What   18,810

Posted
Posted (edited)

Thanks, good for a chuckle!

Pagan at Carlton 2003-2007

22 wins from 104 games

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

Edited by hogans_heroes
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
soxy@live.com.au Demon

[email protected]   101

Posted
Posted

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

And some rebellion from "soft C***K" players ... Sound Familiar ???? Just saying.. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

hardtack Legend

hardtack   10,434

Posted
Posted

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
The Chazz Trident

The Chazz   4,077

Posted
Posted

Big fan of Pagan. Was calling (on here) for him to be considered for the gig before Neeld got the nod.

Ruthless, but has he been out of the game too long? I'd prefer he was invovled at some level (similar to Eade). Was coaching Northern Knights in 2009, not sure if he is still there. If he is, he's absolutely worth talking to.

For the fwits who are looking at his time at Carlton as some indication of his ability, you are confirming you limited knowledge and understanding of football.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bossdog Redleg

Bossdog   2,002

Posted
Posted

No. Not Pagan. We need someone young and tough.

Yeah....Someone like Mark Neeld....?
  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites
The Lobster Effect Mighty Demon

The Lobster Effect   885

Posted
Posted

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

Besides he doesn't even work in footy anymore, he's in real estate!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
pm24 Mighty Demon

pm24   451

Posted
Posted (edited)

I can't help but feel that Carey is describing exactly what Neeld has try to do with this list, and those same characteristics that Neeld has been criticised for showing.

Edited by pm24
  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Weedster Mighty Demon

Weedster   174

Posted
Posted

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

Spot on. But no argument from me that we need someone with experience & profile. Roos fits the bill, but he may not have the hunger for the task. Eade & Williams would be my next ports of call. Not sure what happens to Craig in all of this though. Would like to see him stay. We can't be paying off everyone ..
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lordweaver Mighty Demon

Lordweaver   235

Posted
Posted

was at a function where glen manton said pagan was divisive, not liked and was not a nice person, even outside of football. Not his exact words but you get the gist.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest

Guest  

Posted
Posted

As said before, 15 years ago I would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. But he's been out of the game too long and I'm not sure that his methods would be effective in this day and age.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Cheesy D. Pun Redleg

Cheesy D. Pun   1,762

Posted
Posted

Watching replays of Pagan's Kangaroos (and others from that era) is a real eye-opener. It is such ordinary football.

People seem look back with rose-coloured glasses at the way footy used to be but the skill, speed and above all, decision making of the players today is so much better.

There's a classic final between the Kangas and Dogs that often gets replayed on the premise that it is one of the great games of footy and it makes me laugh every time. It is just rubbish - bombing the ball without looking from half back to half back until finally a forward bobs up with a pack mark.

Compare that with the play of the Sydney Swans on the weekend and it's like we're talking about two different sports. Sydney's decision making and execution was sublime - they were able to work their way through any jam without panicking.

While I can't tell you whether Pagan understands modern footy well enough to coach again, the one thing that is clear is that the game is evolving at a rapid rate and it is hard to imagine someone who has spent that long out of it could slot back in with any assuredness.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Whispering_Jack Legend

Whispering_Jack   29,349

Posted
Posted

I think Wayne Carey is becoming a bit unhinged.

I met Denis at a function last year and found him very affable and a great conversationalist, particularly on football matters.

No doubt, he would have his own views on how to bring the club up to speed but I think he would also most likely agree that the job of coaching a successful AFL side in this modern era is not for him. He's about a generation away from being that ideal coach for us - assuming such a person exists.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    REDLEG PRIDE by Meggs

    Hump day mid-week footy at the Redlegs home ground is a great opportunity to build on our recent improved competitiveness playing in the red and blue.   The jumper has a few other colours this week with the rainbow Pride flag flying this round to celebrate people from all walks of life coming together, being accepted. AFLW has been a benchmark when it comes to inclusivity and a safe workplace.  The team will run out in a specially designed guernsey for this game and also the following week

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    REDEEMING by Meggs

    It was such a balmy spring evening for this mid-week BNCA Pink Lady match at our favourite venue Ikon Park between two teams that had not won a game since round one.   After last week’s insipid bombing, the DeeArmy banner correctly deemanded that our players ‘go in hard, go in strong, go in fighting’, and girl they sure did!   The first quarter goals by Alyssa Bannan and Alyssia Pisano were simply stunning, and it was 4 goals to nil by half-time.   Kudos to Mick Stinear.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    REDEEM by Meggs

    How will Mick Stinear and his dwindling list of fit and available Demons respond to last week’s 65-point capitulation to the Bombers, the team’s biggest loss in history?   As a minimum he will expect genuine effort from all of his players when Melbourne takes on the GWS Giants at Ikon Park this Thursday.  Happily, the ground remains a favourite Melbourne venue of players and spectators alike and will provide an opportunity for the Demons to redeem themselves. Injuries to star play

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    EASYBEATS by Meggs

    A beautiful sunny Friday afternoon, with a light breeze and a strong Windy Hill crowd set the scene, inviting one team to seize the day and take the important four points on offer. For the Demons it was not a good Friday, easily beaten by an all-time largest losing margin of 65 points.   Essendon threw themselves into action today, winning most of the contests and had three early goals with Daria Bannister on fire.  In contrast the Demons were dropping marks, hesitant in close and comm

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 9

    DEFUSE THE BOMBERS by Meggs

    Last Saturday’s crushing loss to Fremantle, after being three goals ahead at three quarter time, should be motivation enough to bounce back for this very winnable Round 5 clash at Windy Hill. A first-time venue for the Melbourne AFLW team, this should be a familiar suburban, windy, footy environment for the players.   Essendon were brave and competitive last week against ladder leader Adelaide at Sturt’s home ground. A familiar name, Maddison Gay, was the Bombers best player with

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 33

    BLOW THE SIREN by Meggs

    Fremantle hosted the Demons on a sunny 20-degree Saturdayafternoon winning the toss and electing to defend in the first quarter against the 3-goal breeze favouring the Parry Street end. There was method here, as this would give the comeback queens, the Dockers, last use of the breeze. The Melbourne Coach had promised an improved performance, and we did start better than previous weeks, winning the ball out of the middle, using the breeze advantage and connecting to the forwards. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    GETAWAY by Meggs

    Calling all fit players. Expect every available Melbourne player to board the Virgin cross-continent flight to Perth for this Round 4 clash on Saturday afternoon at Fremantle Oval. It promises to be keenly contested, though Fremantle is the bookies clear favourite.  If we lose, finals could be remoter than Rottnest Island especially following on from the Dees 50-point dismantlement by North Melbourne last Sunday.  There are 8 remaining matches, over the next 7 weeks.  To Meggs’

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    DRUBBING by Meggs

    With Casey Fields basking in sunshine, an enthusiastic throng of young Demons fans formed a guard of honour for the evergreen and much admired 75-gamer Paxy Paxman. As the home team ran out to play, Paxy’s banner promised that the Demons would bounce back from last week’s loss to Brisbane and reign supreme.   Disappointingly, the Kangaroos dominated the match to win by 50 points, but our Paxy certainly did her bit.  She was clearly our best player, sweeping well in defence.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 4

    GARNER STRENGTH by Meggs

    In keeping with our tough draw theme, Week 3 sees Melbourne take on flag favourites, North Melbourne, at Casey Fields this Sunday at 1:05pm.  The weather forecast looks dry, a coolish 14 degrees and will be characteristically gusty.  Remember when Casey Fields was considered our fortress?  The Demons have lost two of their past three matches at the Field of Dreams, so opposition teams commute down the Princes Highway with more optimism these days.  The Dees held the highe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 1

  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...