Latest murmurings of a crazy time

[brey9186 102]

I believe GWS CANNOT take free agents off us, after already signing Scully, not 100% guaranteed, but thought this was the case (same as GC cant take free agents from Geelong, Lions, Crows ect)

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

I believe GWS CANNOT take free agents off us, after already signing Scully, not 100% guaranteed, but thought this was the case (same as GC cant take free agents from Geelong, Lions, Crows ect)

I believe that they can. They can't take uncontracted players who are not free agents though e.g. they can take Dunn but they can't take Sellar.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Yeah, GWS took Davis, but can still take Tippett via PSD. I imagine no FAs are off limits to them either.

They simply can't sign a player who is OOC but not a FA, without them going in the PSD.

It's a flaw in the rules they drew up.

And I can't see GWS being interested in Gysberts & 20, HT.

The thing with their list is the need for economy of talent - they have to squash as much talent into each player on the list, as it will need to be consolidated in later years.

Spots will be scarce.

Rather than pick for later pick plus player, even if they end up with a net gain, they would prefer pick 12 & 13 for pick 5, for instance.

I think they are angling at Port's earlier pick, as PA need to cram a lot of quality players onto their list.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Dunn is in Contract negotiations.

I remember back in September when it was announced 11 players were OOC that,

contract negotiations on these players wouldn't start until Oct. 16th.

So I guess now we will start to find out who is staying.

And going by who is in rehab. and times they are due to come back into training.

Morton is with us. ..... Damn

Bennell

Bartram

So they wouldn't be spending money on them if they weren't hanging around.

Edited October 15, 2012 by Chippy

[H_T 3,049]

Yeah, GWS took Davis, but can still take Tippett via PSD. I imagine no FAs are off limits to them either.

They simply can't sign a player who is OOC but not a FA, without them going in the PSD.

It's a flaw in the rules they drew up.

And I can't see GWS being interested in Gysberts & 20, HT.

The thing with their list is the need for economy of talent - they have to squash as much talent into each player on the list, as it will need to be consolidated in later years.

Spots will be scarce.

Rather than pick for later pick plus player, even if they end up with a net gain, they would prefer pick 12 & 13 for pick 5, for instance.

I think they are angling at Port's earlier pick, as PA need to cram a lot of quality players onto their list.

Despite my wishful thinking, 20 would be used on Dawes unless he decides to reconsider and stay. Even if we entered the draft with 20, Membrey should be taken earlier. I think he'll be a find wherever he goes.

It's not a bad ploy by GWS, and it's all in the name of receiving value. They can afford to do it with 25 odd first round draft picks in their keeping. And if they gain a quality player in return for one of the picks it will help them no end.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

So what's behind this Farren Ray no certainty to leave St Kilda?

It could mean exactly what the article says but it could also mean the manager's fishing for more money for his client.

Could also mean St Kilda will only let him go if they need salary cap room. Which may happen if they can lure Mitch Brown from WCE (although you'd think that would happen as a straight swap for Jason Cripps who wants to go from St Kilda to WCE).

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

What is this nonsense that Damien Barrett is spouting about Lynden Dunn being signed by GWS tomorrow as an unrestricted free agent? It is being reported in the Off Season Facebook site.

Please let it be true...

[Hannibal 5,814]

The only player of any currency that would prize pick 2 away would be Frawley and obviously we wouldn't do that deal.

[Nasher 33,617]

GWS putting all picks bar no.1 on the table:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/gws-puts-prized-first-round-draft-picks-on-trade-table/story-fnahsgl5-1226496603126

What's our best offer for pick 2?

Pick 4 + Sylvia? I know that probably is too much - or too little depending on your view - but I can't think of anything that isn't way over or way under. Is Toumpas good enough to pay Wines and Sylvia?

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Pick 4 + Sylvia? I know that probably is too much - or too little depending on your view - but I can't think of anything that isn't way over or way under. Is Toumpas good enough to pay Wines and Sylvia?

No.

[Nasher 33,617]

No.

Thanks for the thoughtful contribution.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Thanks for the thoughtful contribution.

Sylvia for a 2 pick upgrade imo is well overs, when Sylvia showed alot in the second half of the year, got praise form Neeld for turning it around during this time also. And is imo a top 10 player at our club

[daisycutter 29,738]

Apparently they'll give pick 2 + 3 to anyone who will take over HWFUA;s contract

[Slartibartfast 17,625]

Pick 4 + Sylvia? I know that probably is too much - or too little depending on your view - but I can't think of anything that isn't way over or way under. Is Toumpas good enough to pay Wines and Sylvia?

Who says we'll get Wines? My mail is that Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines will go in the first three.

GWS will trade a ruckman in and won't draft one is the thinking. I'm surprised but it's a very educated view.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Thanks for the thoughtful contribution.

That WAS a thoughtful contribution. He was being nice, im sure he could have expanded but was being "thoughtful"

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Thanks for the thoughtful contribution.

I really don't think there's much to add to what I said. At this stage, Toumpas is not better than Wines + Sylvia. While it's likely that GWS will take Toumpas in the top 3, there is a chance that he could slide to our pick anyway. Regardless, I'm happy with Wines and Sylvia.

[olisik 4,060]

Watts for pick 3

[jnrmac 20,186]

Pick 4 + Sylvia? I know that probably is too much - or too little depending on your view - but I can't think of anything that isn't way over or way under. Is Toumpas good enough to pay Wines and Sylvia?

I'd do Sylvia and Morton for Pick 2.

[Nasher 33,617]

Who says we'll get Wines? My mail is that Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines will go in the first three.

GWS will trade a ruckman in and won't draft one is the thinking. I'm surprised but it's a very educated view.

Nobody says that, it was just an assumption - I don't see how you can discuss this without making some kind of assumption. If GWS intend on taking Wines instead of Grundy then they probably wouldn't be interested in the deal I proposed as they'd end up with one fewer gun midfielders than they intended to take. That's a lot different a proposition to choosing between Toumpas and Wines which I had them as doing anyway.

[Nasher 33,617]

That WAS a thoughtful contribution. He was being nice, im sure he could have expanded but was being "thoughtful"

Given the only player of the three that I've seen play is Sylvia and he's flaky, inconsistent and arguably lazy, I don't see what I could possibly learn from "no". I also didn't see a viable alternate suggestion.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Given the only player of the three that I've seen play is Sylvia and he's flaky and inconsistent, I don't see what I could possibly learn from "no".

I just took the inference was the inclusion of Hi-Ho gave that particular scenario great imbalance. After all info was fed into a computer...it said NO

[Hannibal 5,814]

Watts for pick 3

SOS's coffee would spit out all over Harrington's lap if he heard that request.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Watts for pick 3

Would your really do that? i only think there are 2 outstanding mids in this draft. the rest can have a tarp thrown over them

[olisik 4,060]

Would your really do that? i only think there are 2 outstanding mids in this draft. the rest can have a tarp thrown over them

Sure would. I would see it as a direct swap from Watts for Hogan.

Hogan being the player that we always had hoped Watts would become.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

A bit off topic, but still a murmuring of a crazy time (or in this case, crazy man). Can this man McGuire say anything more ridiculous? What an attention seeking shock-jock.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149738/default.aspx