Carlton

[Jack Jack 415]

I remember after the first half dozen rounds someone came out and said Carlton was embracing the flag favourite tag. Yesterday someone else came out and said they were embracing the underdog tag. Funny how quickly things can change.

[Tassie Devil 28]

Judd for Captain-Coach.

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Thought Sticks could have chosen his words better considering Scotland's predicament.

"We'll get a few players back, we'll make a late assault, make no mistake."

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226412721936

Edited June 30, 2012 by Robot Devil

[jumbo returns 6,504]

My gripe is how the commentators are putting it all down to the injury toll at Carlton. Earlier in the year when they were bagging us, our injuries which included just about anyone whose ever kicked a goal for us were ignored.

The players deserved this scrutiny.

Forget about injuries - the players on the park weren't even doing the non-negotiables.

[Biffen 12,362]

Just had a Carlton fan say on Facebook-"Now I know how it fells to be a Melbourne supporter"

If my club had cheated ,rorted and tanked their way to mediocrity I guess I would feel like a Carlscum supporter.

[Maldonboy38 5,946]

This is all soooooo sweet. I was a Melbourne supporter in the old Carlton zone through the 70's and 80's and suffered loads of rubbish from every Carlton supporter. To see them like this makes me feel very nice inside.

If they can't get Waite up and fit by round 15, it is even possible that we will end up with more wins than them. How good would that be?

[Jaded No More 58,395]

LOL.

I loath Carlton. Almost as good watching Carlton lose, as it is watching Melbourne win.

When Carlton loses to Melbourne, one day, it will be like the world's greatest footballing orgasm. One day.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,339]

LOL.

I loath Carlton. Almost as good watching Carlton lose, as it is watching Melbourne win.

When Carlton loses to Melbourne, one day, it will be like the world's greatest footballing orgasm. One day.

It will be even better if the failure continues and the internal blame game starts and Ratten is sacked. Can't waite.

[The Big Ticket 94]

I wonder how much Brock Mclean going public with his disease has affected the players. It must be hard to concentrate on footy with Brock coming out about his condition. Hope you get well Brock. Fight the good fight.

Excellent!

[dee-luded 2,958]

Just had a Carlton fan say on Facebook-"Now I know how it fells to be a Melbourne supporter"

If my club had cheated ,rorted and tanked their way to mediocrity I guess I would feel like a Carlscum supporter.

You'd better bookmark that facebook post for future use.

[Guest KingDingAling]

I look at Carlton and think, you got Judd in too early - he was always going to be around 28-29 when you were ready to challenge.

Then you trade for Brock!

Looking back on Kruezer, or what couldve been with Cotchin!!

Bryce Gibbs has always been one dimensional and soft - nothing has changed, I dare him to get a hard ball!

Then theres Warnock to a lesser extent, nothing seems to go right for the Blues.

They wouldve been better off keeping Kennedy and pick 3, no doubt.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

It just shows the pitfalls of tanking, doesn't it?

Tanking destroys the fabric of the club and the perception of the club from the wider football community; it paints the club as cheats.

I must confess I wasn't anti tanking and was quite happy to see us lose games for high draft picks but on reflection it did us a lot more harm than good, Carlton are in an even worse position than us because of their sustained tanking and arrogance, at least we've recognised that we had to change things but they seem to think that they can roll on and a flag will follow.

Every club that was in a worse position than us before we tanked has out run us and is better off, it just goes to show that number one picks don't win flags, hard work and integrity does.

[dee-luded 2,958]

It just shows the pitfalls of tanking, doesn't it?

Tanking destroys the fabric of the club and the perception of the club from the wider football community; it paints the club as cheats.

I must confess I wasn't anti tanking and was quite happy to see us lose games for high draft picks but on reflection it did us a lot more harm than good, Carlton are in an even worse position than us because of their sustained tanking and arrogance, at least we've recognised that we had to change things but they seem to think that they can roll on and a flag will follow.

Every club that was in a worse position than us before we tanked has out run us and is better off, it just goes to show that number one picks don't win flags, hard work and integrity does.

The truth is they are a top 5 side. So they're recruiting has had a huge effect from where they'd fallen to.

They are currently struggling after a great start, after losing 3 key personnel & the momentum of winning.

They will be back But the game has swung back bigtime to contested football, remember the Bruise Free comments. Last year they were stronger than us at the hard ball.

Well, the competition has passed them by in a Flash, & now they're wanting for contested ball winners, & a tweek to they're attacking gamestyle.

They will be back, but they're not standouts. They are still a top 5 side.

Edited June 30, 2012 by dee-luded

[keep13alive 78]

This is all soooooo sweet. I was a Melbourne supporter in the old Carlton zone through the 70's and 80's and suffered loads of rubbish from every Carlton supporter. To see them like this makes me feel very nice inside.

If they can't get Waite up and fit by round 15, it is even possible that we will end up with more wins than them. How good would that be?

It would make my year:)

[Macca 16,173]

It would make my year:)

Winning more games than the Blues this season would make my 'Half decade'

[7-UP 107]

Thought Sticks could have chosen his words better considering Scotland's predicament.

"We'll get a few players back, we'll make a late assault, make no mistake."

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226412721936

Didn't Scotland already have charges for assault ?

Edited June 30, 2012 by Dees

[keep13alive 78]

Winning more games than the Blues this season would make my 'Half decade'

ok me too

[mrtwister 650]

Winning more games than the Blues this season would make my 'Half decade'

This is starting to sound like a MasterCard ad.

MFC season tickets - $400

Myki card to cover transport to and from all games - $60

Finishing higher than Carlton on the ladder - priceless

[Nasher 33,131]

It just shows the pitfalls of tanking, doesn't it?

Tanking destroys the fabric of the club and the perception of the club from the wider football community; it paints the club as cheats.

I must confess I wasn't anti tanking and was quite happy to see us lose games for high draft picks but on reflection it did us a lot more harm than good, Carlton are in an even worse position than us because of their sustained tanking and arrogance, at least we've recognised that we had to change things but they seem to think that they can roll on and a flag will follow.

Every club that was in a worse position than us before we tanked has out run us and is better off, it just goes to show that number one picks don't win flags, hard work and integrity does.

There is no evidence whatsoever that tanking has adversely affected Carlton or Melbourne. There's so many millions of other variables that affect how teams play that it's ridiculous to blame it on just one.

The truth is that we will never know the impact that tanking had on either club because there is no way of measuring it. The best we can do is guess, which is equal to just making stuff up.

[Miles from Nowhere 199]

There is no evidence whatsoever that tanking has adversely affected Carlton or Melbourne. There's so many millions of other variables that affect how teams play that it's ridiculous to blame it on just one.

The truth is that we will never know the impact that tanking had on either club because there is no way of measuring it. The best we can do is guess, which is equal to just making stuff up.

What it does do though is raise the question of integrity. What damage do you do to careers? Even that dreaded word "culture". It makes everything questionable. From player's records to the long term fabric of the club. Should we have an asterisk against the honour boards. If you have position 16th*, do you also have the same mark against the Bluey winner?

I do believe in a tanking hangover that probably lasts until the last of the tankers has gone. Dean Bailey got axed, the senior player exits, and forced exits have had ongoing effects long after we are supposedly fair dinkum. We can never take that destructive route again. No proof but am I making stuff up?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

There is no evidence whatsoever that tanking has adversely affected Carlton or Melbourne. There's so many millions of other variables that affect how teams play that it's ridiculous to blame it on just one.

The truth is that we will never know the impact that tanking had on either club because there is no way of measuring it. The best we can do is guess, which is equal to just making stuff up.

It's an opinion and in case you hadn't realised it that's what this forum is about.

You have your's and I have mine.

[Nasher 33,131]

It's an opinion and in case you hadn't realised it that's what this forum is about.

You have your's and I have mine.

I'm so glad I've got you around to remind me what forums are for and that each of us have an opinion.

If you want to form a baseless opinion, knock yourself out. I prefer evidence based opinions myself.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I'm so glad I've got you around to remind me what forums are for and that each of us have an opinion.

If you want to form a baseless opinion, knock yourself out. I prefer evidence based opinions myself.

So you base your opinion that there's no evidence that tanking causes problems on what exactly?

[Nasher 33,131]

So you base your opinion that there's no evidence that tanking causes problems on what exactly?

Is that a serious question? We speak different languages if it is.

[mauriesy 6,815]

So you base your opinion that there's no evidence that tanking causes problems on what exactly?

Ummm ... on lack of evidence?