List Analysis

[old dee 23,486]

It's interesting reading all this stuff about the List Analysis and all based on Last Seasons list.

The slate has been wiped clean. Let's not make up a lot of BS, when we don't even know what the totally new FD has in mind.

I can't wait to see what unfolds in the new year, watching the changes in roles the team members have to play.

I'm quite certain it won't be the same old crap we've been dealt for the last 4 years.

The Mid Field will certainly not be the same. The same goes for the Forwards and backs.

Neeld wants things to improve so he will change things accordingly.

I think I agree with you.

"I'm quite certain it won't be the same old crap we've been dealt for the last 4 years."

If it is I will be really depressed

[H_T 3,032]

It's interesting reading all this stuff about the List Analysis and all based on Last Seasons list.

The slate has been wiped clean. Let's not make up a lot of BS, when we don't even know what the totally new FD has in mind.

I can't wait to see what unfolds in the new year, watching the changes in roles the team members have to play.

I'm quite certain it won't be the same old crap we've been dealt for the last 4 years.

The Mid Field will certainly not be the same. The same goes for the Forwards and backs.

Neeld wants things to improve so he will change things accordingly.

No, you're right the midfield won't be the same. But it won't be much different either. Gysberts, Bail and McKenzie will be more prominent than in 2011 (fingers crossed that is the case), they'll be stronger, fitter and more influential than in 2011.

I have already posted in this thread and commented on the lack of quality required to compete against the better teams. I think we'll be better "equipped" in 2012 - injuries permitting - however one thing I didn't initially mention and I don't think it has been mentioned in this analysis thread yet, is our lack of speed. I think this will still be telling in 2012 and prove the difference against the stronger midfields again in 2012. We may see the likes of Bail, Nicholson, Blease float in and out, but our sheer lack of speed and nous will be evident at times.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

He's a good midfielder JT. And an elite clearance player.

But he goes missing against the best teams and I can only think of excuses for him, and I think even he wouldn't accept those.

He needs to get better if he wants to be anything more than a B+ mid and have achance to be in a flag winning side.

I dont disagree that Moloney goes missing at all, he does but what i want to ask is who else would go missing in the MFC team from the last 3 years? Bartells? Powers? Sewell?

I honestly think that these guys may also stuggle in our team gone by, because they all put in bad performances in top 4 teams....

[RudeBoy 164]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

Edited December 1, 2011 by RudeBoy

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

Please stop using common sense and reasonable judgement RB.....

People around here cant handle such levels of optimism

[Nasher 33,607]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. I reckon he'd also rate highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

As I said in my previous post in this thread, it's all just the psychology of the supporter, so I wouldn't take it too personally on Liam's behalf RudeBoy. It's just because people raised the bar ridiculously (impossibly) high in their minds. As Liam continues to improve and supporters' expectations come back to sensible levels I think people's feelings for him as a player will balance out.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

What you say is right Rudeboy but goals and goal assists constitute half of the modern forward's job these days. Intensity, pressure and ferocious tackling is the other component and on that score Liam has failed to set the world alight so far.

Whether he is able to or not will determine his longevity and quality as a league footballer.

[jayceebee31 697]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

I have always been a supporter of LJ, and always will.However, a very fit LJ would not only give him the much needed confidence to become an elite player but set an example for all others.

[demon3165 2,569]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

RudeBoy, you have to forgive the simple folk, some people understand the game, some think they do and some have no idea but I guess all teams have them!!

[Hannibal 5,814]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

I unashamedly belong to the old school of Ron Barassi when it comes to talent. Jurrah has been born with amazing talent and that in itself deserves no respect, it's what he does with that talent that is crucial in a football sense. What he's been able to do to date has pretty much been on the back of his natural ability, but that won't satiate himself, or his coaches as he's capable of so much more.

I think most people cut him slack when they consider the massive journey he's undertaken, but at the same time there are plenty that recognise the glaring weaknesses in his game. Entering his 4th year and at the age of 22 it's a pivotal time for him and his football career. We know his talent, but unfortunately so do the opposition and like all good players he's had put plenty of work put into him.

I don't apologize for expecting far more from Jurrah as we move forward.

[RudeBoy 164]

I have always been a supporter of LJ, and always will.However, a very fit LJ would not only give him the much needed confidence to become an elite player but set an example for all others.

Correct weight.

[Sir Why You Little 36,603]

Liam has enormous talent. He now has to learn how to use it in a very disciplined AFL structure. At present looking at training now his training load has gone up. I hope he has the mental strength to take himself higher.

[Roost It 1,434]

He's a good midfielder JT. And an elite clearance player.

But he goes missing against the best teams and I can only think of excuses for him, and I think even he wouldn't accept those.

He needs to get better if he wants to be anything more than a B+ mid and have achance to be in a flag winning side.

good, elite, goes missing, needs to get better, B+.

I think you're confused about his talent. Try average midfielder, C+

[Roost It 1,434]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

I don't think people underrate him. He is a freakish talent who now plays in a competition that also needs him to be stronger, fitter, hungrier and more competitive than he's ever had to be before. People watch him play and can see how damaging he could be if he can take his intensity to another level.

[loges 6,767]

I know i'm biased, and I realise there are weaknesses to his game which he needs to improve upon, but it amazes me how some people underrate Liam Jurrah's contribution to the team. He hasn't even played 40 games yet he has averaged more goals per game than any other player on the list - in each of his 3 seasons! He has also kicked the fastest first 50 goals in the AFL for a decade - out scoring Johnathon Brown, Fevola, Rocca, Rewoldt and Buddy Franklin. He also rates highly for goal assists. Still, maybe he's not good enough for such a star studded team.

RudeBoy don't despair I think the whole list has been told they must improve their efforts. He will be an even better player with bigger players in support

[rpfc 28,046]

good, elite, goes missing, needs to get better, B+.

I think you're confused about his talent. Try average midfielder, C+

Needless to say, I am happy with my appraisal.

[rpfc 28,046]

Our list requires a small forward. Discuss.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Nasher
Removed anecdotal reference to deleted posts

[rpfc 28,046]

Our list requires a small forward. Discuss.

I can see this as an issue too.

Will Kelvin Lawrence be that answer?

Hard to say.

Will Jurrah play a 'smaller' role with Clark in the forward line?

This is certainly true. Just how much 'smaller' we will have to see...

[Range Rover 1,935]

Jetta, Davey, Bennell and Lawrence are all options for this role yet each possess varying strengths and deficiencies.

Jetta has the pest-factor tenacity and knows how to kick a goal, but is he quick enough?

Davey has the pace and has early career form in this position, but can he recapture that magic?

Bennell also has the speed and can do the miraculous, but is he a natural goalkicker?

Lawrence apparently possesses a mixture of all of these attributes, but is he still too physically immature to step up?

All curvy questions with no certain answers. I'm not sold on the idea of Jurrah or any of the other mid-sized forwards substituting for this role. With the big man Clark now down there rotating with Jamar through the square, we'll need one or more of those indigenous boys to step up and claim the small forward position as his own.

If they can't, we'll have to draft or go shopping for one.

[jayceebee31 697]

I feel Davey is the natural small foward but would not be srprised if Jones goes forward alot more.

[Roost It 1,434]

I feel Davey is the natural small foward but would not be srprised if Jones goes forward alot more.

What, to get tackled?

[Dinosaur Rover 197]

Still think Tapscott is a half forward flanker

Can see him kicking 1 -2 goals every game he plays

Think he just needs to be careful on his aggression

A Fit Tapscott could be a nightmare for the opposition

Im not sure that he is fast enough.

[PaulRB 6,297]

Tapscott knows how to use his body in close, fights hard for the ball and is a reasonable chance from 55 m...

[jayceebee31 697]

Tapscott knows how to use his body in close, fights hard for the ball and is a reasonable chance from 55 m...

I support your point but Jones could do the same on an occasional basis

[jayceebee31 697]

What, to get tackled?

When he gets caught with the ball,nit is generally around the midfield -different spot with also a different type of player.I think he could get away with this role.I watched his match against Port last night and the thought entered my mind.