2011 TRADES DISCUSSION

[H_T 2,941]

This is on BF -

Port contemplating picks 12, 36 and Matty Bate from the Dees in return for pick 6 + 51.

If it's on BF it's.....{insert own adjective}. I think it would be best if we all came back here next Monday.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

This is on BF -

Port contemplating picks 12, 36 and Matty Bate from the Dees in return for pick 6 + 51.

The real BS part is why the hell would we ask for pick 51......really we are taking them for all their worth and asking for pick 51 as a sweetener lol

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

First Trade according to Jason Phelan on Twitter:

First trade: Richmond has sent pick 14 to GWS for pick 15 & Steven Morris.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

Apparently, the Marty Clark deal is about to go through as well.

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First Trade according to Jason Phelan on Twitter:

GWS probably couldn't get it done quick enough.

[PaulRB 6,041]

we'd need pick 51 to get our required 3 drafts in, perhaps...

[Little Goffy 12,770]

Interesting situation.

A lot of cubs doing quite substantial list culling, in a year with a reportedly weak, and in particular shallow, draft. It does create a positive environment for moving n players who aren't outright duds but who haven't been performing at Melbourne.

It must be remembered that the 'first roud pick immediately after normal first round pick' will be worth comparatively more to clubs likely to finish bottom four, compared to the at least mid-table you'd hope for from Melbourne next year. We may yet be able to snag O'Meara ahead of Gold Coast - that pick is probably pick 2 for GWS despite only being worth about pick 10 for us.

The other pick (the mid first round) I think should be held onto. Used in either 2012 to keep us in the first round (aside from Viney, obviously), or even kept for another year or two and used to plug any gaps that appear once we've had a few years to look at all the kids we collected from the 2007-2009 drafts. Imagine a 2012 recruiting session that went O'Meara, Viney, and another mid-first round. Could be bigger than even the 08-09 drafts for us.

I think pick 12 this year ought to be off the table (barring insane offers). From the profiles popping up all over the place it looks like the one thing this draft does have is the kind of highly agile and skilled midfielder we need to just keep piling on. Enough to be as certain as you ever can be that we're getting a quality player for the long haul.

[beelzebub 22,330]

This is on BF -

Port contemplating picks 12, 36 and Matty Bate from the Dees in return for pick 6 + 51.

Geez, a bit rich. Youd want to be getting another 2nd rounder from somewhere as 51 isnt going to much chop this year.

You would really want a good deal half in the bag using 6 as well..

Its interesting though..Not perfect..but interesting.

[bing181 8,227]

It must be remembered that the 'first roud pick immediately after normal first round pick' will be worth comparatively more to clubs likely to finish bottom four, compared to the at least mid-table you'd hope for from Melbourne next year. We may yet be able to snag O'Meara ahead of Gold Coast - that pick is probably pick 2 for GWS despite only being worth about pick 10 for us.

That compo pick stays with the ORIGINAL club. It doesn't matter where the receiving club ends up on the ladder, it's locked into Melbourne's position. If we end up with Pick 9 next year, we'll be trading pick 10, not matter who it goes to.

Confusing I know ...

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Our compensation picks stay locked to where we finish not whoever "owns" them at any time

The second point i agree with unless a good deal for 12 comes up, It seems littered with nice Mids up until 14-15 imo

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

It must be remembered that the 'first roud pick immediately after normal first round pick' will be worth comparatively more to clubs likely to finish bottom four, compared to the at least mid-table you'd hope for from Melbourne next year. We may yet be able to snag O'Meara ahead of Gold Coast - that pick is probably pick 2 for GWS despite only being worth about pick 10 for us.

Think you've got this wrong - no matter who we trade the pick to it still comes after OUR pick in whichever draft it is used in - so for instance we trade the comp pick after our first round pick to GWS and we have pick 12 next year they get pick 13.

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Our compensation picks stay locked to where we finish not whoever "owns" them at any time The second point i agree with unless a good deal for 12 comes up, It seems littered with nice Mids up until 14-15 imo

It might be the way we are trying to position ourselves for a crack in the 17yr mini draft. We might not be able to get the deal done with GC having pick 4 and us having 12. Pick 6 and a compo pick means that GC have to come up with a stronger package as well. Even if we can't pull it off it means GC have to up their price and weakens their position a little more.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

It might be the way we are trying to position ourselves for a crack in the 17yr mini draft. We might not be able to get the deal done with GC having pick 4 and us having 12. Pick 6 and a compo pick means that GC have to come up with a stronger package as well. Even if we can't pull it off it means GC have to up their price and weakens their position a little more.

This is definately the situation, and you would simply straight up prefer pick 6 to 12 especially when it only costs us Bate

I was simply saying the compensation picks dont go off GWS's position off the club who owned it originally, so it will never be anything other than a pick 10 or so

[H_T 2,941]

It might be the way we are trying to position ourselves for a crack in the 17yr mini draft. We might not be able to get the deal done with GC having pick 4 and us having 12. Pick 6 and a compo pick means that GC have to come up with a stronger package as well. Even if we can't pull it off it means GC have to up their price and weakens their position a little more.

Pick 4 and compo pick is stronger than pick 6 and compo pick. So I don't see why GC would have to come up with a stronger package, they trump us..

Like I said Port would be crazy..

[Little Goffy 12,770]

Ah.... bugger. That's a strange rule - we could trade away our compo pick this year, and whoever then has it, the value is set by our ladder position even if they use it a full three years later? Counter-intuitive but I'll believe it.

[Jacked Up 0]

If we did get O'Meara it would mean a gun midfield at Casey next year. Viney and O'Meara lining up together! Would pull a large number of Melbourne supporters in through the gate.

I don't understand why if we are able to draft this kid this year why we can't play him for 12 months! Seems a funny quirk in the rule!

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This is definately the situation, and you would simply straight up prefer pick 6 to 12 especially when it only costs us Bate I was simply saying the compensation picks dont go off GWS's position off the club who owned it originally, so it will never be anything other than a pick 10 or so

Ahhh sorry, I probably wasn't clear in what I was replying to, I was referring to your second point about pick 12.... I got the bit about our compo pick.

... and incidentally I agree, I don't know why the other picks would get involved... but perhaps Port are rating the value of Pick 6 a fair bit higher, hence why we trade our 1st and 2nd picks for their 1st pick and their 3rd one (.... and Bate)

[simma02 53]

If we did get O'Meara it would mean a gun midfield at Casey next year. Viney and O'Meara lining up together! Would pull a large number of Melbourne supporters in through the gate.

I don't understand why if we are able to draft this kid this year why we can't play him for 12 months! Seems a funny quirk in the rule!

Not at all - it pretty simple actually. He is too young to play AFL next year, same with Viney.

[Little Goffy 12,770]

I'd be stoked if we could nail a deal to get pick 6. Both my current 'draft crushes' - Buntine and Kavanagh, are tipped to go just before our pick 12.

So what's the equation? Is Matthew Bate plus 15 places in the delayed second round, worth about the same as six places up the front of the first round?

Or would a fair deal more likely be Bate+36 for Port's Pick 28?

They did ok out of the last red-head we gave them, so fair's fair.

[Ouch! 2,043]

Pick 4 and compo pick is stronger than pick 6 and compo pick. So I don't see why GC would have to come up with a stronger package, they trump us.. Like I said Port would be crazy..

Agree that they still trump us, but not by much. Do you know the value/type of Compo pick GC have to offer with pick 4? Ours possibly could be stronger. We still might offer a player as well to sweeten it (even though GWS have said they want picks)

Pick 6 just gets us closer to the mark if we are seriously trying to secure O'Meara...

[PaulRB 6,041]

Pick 4 and compo pick is stronger than pick 6 and compo pick. So I don't see why GC would have to come up with a stronger package, they trump us..

Like I said Port would be crazy..

Given that GC got their compo pick from the CAts (for Ablett deal) doesn't that mean the GC's first round compo occurs after the Cats (i.e. not GC or GWS) and given that the Cats are likely to finish higher than MFC for the next few years, that our Compo pick would be worth more??

[Jacked Up 0]

Not at all - it pretty simple actually. He is too young to play AFL next year, same with Viney.

Well thats the draft rules and technically he would be drafted even though he is too young. Unlike Viney who will not be drafted till next year! So he is on our list, players have played at a younger age then this! He is moving out of home to come to Melbourne and because he is Western Australian he will have finished school which is one of the draft considerations.

Just seems a funny situation to draft a kid, have him train with the Melbourne main group and have to do the full work load of the other players yet be unavailable to play.

Sorry I don't see it so simply!

[PaulRB 6,041]

The pick that the Cats traded to Gold Coast FC is the mid- round one selection that can be used in 2012.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

The pick that the Cats traded to Gold Coast FC is the mid- round one selection that can be used in 2012.

This makes sense, the Cats gave pick 15 for it which would be higher than they could use it for in 2 of the 5 years they have it due to all compensation picks not being active until after the first round when GC and GWS were getting there first draftees

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Interested in Harringtons comments from his interview, regarding the mature players from other lists and who they realistically could be?

Nobody interested in this statement?

To me he said we HAVE been talking to mature player types from other clubs in exchange for Bate, Warnock, Maric types ect