Tommy Bugg on report

[Ethan Tremblay 28,423]

4 weeks. The precedent has been set, anymore and I would appeal it. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,443]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

4 weeks. The precedent has been set, anymore and I would appeal it. 

Not sure I agree that the precedent has been set. (I assume you mean by the Houli penalty.) Doesn't Mills have concussion and a broken jaw whereas Lamb only concussion?

[Jaded No More 58,035]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

4 weeks. The precedent has been set, anymore and I would appeal it. 

I would not appeal anything. We already said we are not condoning his behaviour, and this is not how we want the club to be represented. Appealing it on the grounds that Houli got 4 because of some rubbish character references, is irrelevant semantics. We all know the AFL is a biased organisation, and we all know Houli and Bugg are put in difference baskets, although they both did the wrong thing and both deserve the same penalty. 

If he gets 5 or 6, we take it and we move on.

 

[chook fowler 18,271]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure I agree that the precedent has been set. (I assume you mean by the Houli penalty.) Doesn't Mills have concussion and a broken jaw whereas Lamb only concussion?

It comes across as a more deliberate act than Houlis - and if Mills has a fracture it will be 6 at least, as it should be. I have a son playing footy and I would be unhappy with anything less if it happened to him.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,423]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure I agree that the precedent has been set. (I assume you mean by the Houli penalty.) Doesn't Mills have concussion and a broken jaw whereas Lamb only concussion?

I haven't heard anything about a broken jaw, not to say it isn't. If it's not broken, I do think 4 weeks is fair. 

[jnrmac 18,980]

11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure I agree that the precedent has been set. (I assume you mean by the Houli penalty.) Doesn't Mills have concussion and a broken jaw whereas Lamb only concussion?

Haven't seen anywhere where Mills has a broken jaw. 

Nor have I seen anything about Zak Jones head high hit on Hannan

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

There is no doubt that Bugg's strike was a stupid and reprehensible act.  He deserves a substantial sanction.  But what does annoy me is how the whole MRP and Tribunal process is almost certainly governed by media and their so-called experts.

Listening to 3AW on Saturday, they had Bugg hung, drawn and quartered within 15 minutes.  Add to that, Dr. Peter Larkins talking about possible brain haemorrhages from such strikes and the sad loss of his associate from the Box Hill hospital and then replaying Larkins' comments to Simon Lethlean during an interview with him, then you know Bugg will be held up as example of just how the AFL will want to be seen as the tough 'sheriff'.  Lethlean, given his AFL role, should have declined to go anywhere near the subject on live radio.

As I said, Bugg certainly deserves a substantial sanction, but having the media affect the outcome of the penalty is not reasonable.  

[hardtack 10,127]

21 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I haven't heard anything about a broken jaw, not to say it isn't. If it's not broken, I do think 4 weeks is fair. 

Yep, the only thing I've seen is that the Swans will monitor his progress before making a decision on his availability for their game against GWS... but that was in relation to his concussion.  I still think he will cop more than 4 weeks simply because it comes immediately after the Houli case was all over the headlines.

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Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

I haven't heard anything about a broken jaw, not to say it isn't. If it's not broken, I do think 4 weeks is fair. 

I guess we will have to wait for the medical report as well. If Mills has a fractured jaw, and Lewis got 4 down to 3 for fracturing Cripps' jaw, I would think it would be 6.

[SFebes 4,692]

LOL at appealing for Bugg, why would the club even consider it? He's no superstar anyway & has caused us more unnecessary limelight than we needed. He gets what he deserves and he can play the year out in the VFL & double his pre season KPIs so he lifts his attitude.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,443]

If I'm mistaken about Mills' jaw being broken, I apologise for my error (but am pleased for Mills). But I still wouldn't be uncomfortable with Bugg getting a 6 week penalty.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,155]

18 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

There is no doubt that Bugg's strike was a stupid and reprehensible act.  He deserves a substantial sanction.  But what does annoy me is how the whole MRP and Tribunal process is almost certainly governed by media and their so-called experts.

Listening to 3AW on Saturday, they had Bugg hung, drawn and quartered within 15 minutes.  Add to that, Dr. Peter Larkins talking about possible brain haemorrhages from such strikes and the sad loss of his associate from the Box Hill hospital and then replaying Larkins' comments to Simon Lethlean during an interview with him, then you know Bugg will be held up as example of just how the AFL will want to be seen as the tough 'sheriff'.  Lethlean, given his AFL role, should have declined to go anywhere near the subject on live radio.

As I said, Bugg certainly deserves a substantial sanction, but having the media affect the outcome of the penalty is not reasonable.  

I would think that this is the exact thing that people should be saying.  Punching someone in the face is a potentially deadly action.  We are so brainwashed by Hollywood fist fights to realise just how dangerous and destructive these acts are.  

One punch can kill.  Bugg punched Mills.

How many people do we need to see, stricken in a hospital bed with tubes running out of their head, before we as a society accept the simple fact that punching someone in the head is a dangerous and potenetially deadly thing to do.

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

Reading Slobbo in the Hun is just such rubbish. 

The media just want the MFC to be the lame "nice" easybeats for all the big clubs to feed on

Bugg should get 4 But the media frenzy wants 6. 

I thought Jed Lamb was left unconscious face down on the ground. 

Who cares about the perception of the club outside of the club, Never bothered Whorethorn or Essendrug as they collected Cups. 

This could be the hardest few weeks coming up for the MFC in decades. 

Stand up and take the incoming fire or else all the hard work of the last 3 years could evaporate

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,443]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Reading Slobbo in the Hun is just such rubbish. 

The media just want the MFC to be the lame "nice" easybeats for all the big clubs to feed on

Bugg should get 4 But the media frenzy wants 6. 

I thought Jed Lamb was left unconscious face down on the ground. 

Who cares about the perception of the club outside of the club, Never bothered Whorethorn or Essendrug as they collected Cups. 

This could be the hardest few weeks coming up for the MFC in decades. 

Stand up and take the incoming fire or else all the hard work of the last 3 years could evaporate

Bit hyperbolic. Whatever happens in the next few weeks, it won't be as hard as anything in 2012 and 2013.

It may be disappointing if we fail to reach finals from here, but I'll take this season and whatever the next few weeks throw up ahead of anything that we were forced to live through in 2012 and 2013 (with the single exception of the day Paul Roos was appointed as coach).

[deanox 8,629]

8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I would think that this is the exact thing that people should be saying.  Punching someone in the face is a potentially deadly action.  We are so brainwashed by Hollywood fist fights to realise just how dangerous and destructive these acts are.  

One punch can kill.  Bugg punched Mills.

How many people do we need to see, stricken in a hospital bed with tubes running out of their head, before we as a society accept the simple fact that punching someone in the head is a dangerous and potenetially deadly thing to do.

An elbow to the jaw is just as dangerous but that isn't worth any weeks.

 

Im not supporting or condoning Buggs actions but he was provoked by an off the ball elbow and retaliated. He eve looked surprised when he saw Mills down 2 seconds later. 

In the incident last week, a player elbowed another player in the jaw without provocation and during the half time break. Did it connect as well? No. But it had the same potential to do harm. 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

11 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I would think that this is the exact thing that people should be saying.  Punching someone in the face is a potentially deadly action.  We are so brainwashed by Hollywood fist fights to realise just how dangerous and destructive these acts are.  

One punch can kill.  Bugg punched Mills.

How many people do we need to see, stricken in a hospital bed with tubes running out of their head, before we as a society accept the simple fact that punching someone in the head is a dangerous and potenetially deadly thing to do.

I don't disagree, I'm simply pointing out that the matter should not be played out in the media, to the extent where it effects the penalty handed down.  When you are interviewing a senior operative of the AFL, to me it is not appropriate to seek to influence that operative on such matters.

Again, I, in no way, seek to excuse Bugg for his actions.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Bit hyperbolic. Whatever happens in the next few weeks, it won't be as hard as anything in 2012 and 2013.

It may be disappointing if we fail to reach finals from here, but I'll take this season and whatever the next few weeks throw up ahead of anything that we were forced to live through in 2012 and 2013 (with the single exception of the day Paul Roos was appointed as coach).

We weren't a Football Club then, Schwab had destroyed the joint. 

If the MFC buckles under in the next 3-6 weeks both on and off the field, we may not get another chance to stand up. 

We have to win games against the hostile public. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

16 minutes ago, deanox said:

An elbow to the jaw is just as dangerous but that isn't worth any weeks.

 

Im not supporting or condoning Buggs actions but he was provoked by an off the ball elbow and retaliated. He eve looked surprised when he saw Mills down 2 seconds later. 

In the incident last week, a player elbowed another player in the jaw without provocation and during the half time break. Did it connect as well? No. But it had the same potential to do harm. 

The haters don't want that rhetoric. Just burn Bugg...just burn Bugg burn !!

Hero on the wall one week,thrown to the sharks the next. It's both pathetic and laughable.

Yes he did a silly thing. Yes he ought be penalized, but pilloried ? 

[Jara 1,149]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We weren't a Football Club then, Schwab had destroyed the joint. 

If the MFC buckles under in the next 3-6 weeks both on and off the field, we may not get another chance to stand up. 

We have to win games against the hostile public. 

Never ceases to amaze me how hated we are, both by the public and the media. Last year everybody was thrilled for the Dogs; none of that for us. I see it in my mates at work. I suppose it's a remnant of the days when we were the team of the toffs. Sure as hell ain't that any more. 

 

I always remember Dermie and that "line in the sand" game. Long term, maybe turned the Hawks around. 

Bugg's an idiot, but he's our idiot. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

5 minutes ago, Jara said:

Never ceases to amaze me how hated we are, both by the public and the media. Last year everybody was thrilled for the Dogs; none of that for us. I see it in my mates at work. I suppose it's a remnant of the days when we were the team of the toffs. Sure as hell ain't that any more. 

 

I always remember Dermie and that "line in the sand" game. Long term, maybe turned the Hawks around. 

Bugg's an idiot, but he's our idiot. 

Sure. We won't win anything being a nice Footy Club, including respect

Slobbo's article today is almost a personal attack on Goodwin, coming from  a man who continually defended Jab Watson and his Brownlow. 

F$&@k you Robinson, you are the true definition of the journalistic Hack

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11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sure. We won't win anything being a nice Footy Club, including respect

Slobbo's article today is almost a personal attack on Goodwin, coming from  a man who continually defended Jab Watson and his Brownlow. 

F$&@k you Robinson, you are the true definition of the journalistic Hack

Any chance you or someone could copy and paste it here please?

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

5 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Any chance you or someone could copy and paste it here please?

Actually read it on paper, haven't come across the link

[beelzebub 22,225]

Robinsons hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

He's not alone. He has bandwagoners aplenty. 

Shlts me no end. 

Bugg smacked the wrong bloke !!

[Jara 1,149]

Should have smacked Clarrie. There's no penalty for that.

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

13 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Robinsons hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

He's not alone. He has bandwagoners aplenty. 

Shlts me no end. 

Bugg smacked the wrong bloke !!

Does amaze me that no one ever goes hard at Slobbo, he is the ultimate protected species of the AFL and as the Chief Writer (rolls eyes) of the footy paper, that is the last thing he should be. 

This Whitch Hunt has only just begun, Houli has been forgotten, the Demons are a much better target. 

Richmond are "a big 4"

the Media is so predictable.