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From my understanding, the posts were removed because the thread veered off topic and the discussion escalated. Domestic violence, especially violence towards women, is undeniably an essential issue for discussion. However, the decision to remove posts was not targeted at any individual, including Kev, but was a part of our longstanding policy at Demonland to maintain focus on football-related topics and to deescalate heated discussions. I regret that Kev is disappointed his posts, which were meritorious and other posts were removed, but we had received multiple reports about the thread being off-topic and becoming contentious. Our moderators work on a part-time, volunteer basis and cannot selectively moderate posts, and sometimes, it’s more conducive to overall harmony to stick to football topics, which is the primary reason we are all here. While the subject of domestic violence and violence against women is significant and warrants discussion, our experience has shown that such sensitive topics often lead to uncivil and disrespectful exchanges, eventually spilling over into other threads. Our moderators are not trained in these sensitive topics and issue and sometimes are overwhelmed and should not be burdened with managing these conflicts. I apologize if this approach seems inadequate, but after managing this community for over twenty-five years, I have observed that our members primarily seek to engage in peaceful and safe discussions about football. I want to express my gratitude to Kev for his valuable contributions through his training reports over the years. His efforts have been greatly appreciated, and he will be missed. Thank you, @kev martin.

@Demonland, given the post above, can there please be an explanation given to Kev as to why his post was deleted? I’m sure all of us would hate to lose him as a DL contributor, and it’s certainly not like him to get upset over nothing. I didn’t see the posts at the time, and I don’t need to know what they were about, but I believe @kev martin does deserve an explanation. Thanks. (Think of this as a good-guy defence).

Hopefully my last post for a while. It is difficult for me not to introduce social issues into discussions about footy. I'd to thank those supporting me and encouraging me to continue. Demonland contacted me and expressed that it wasn't the people I thought who got me censored. I apologise to any aspersions I alluded to concerning those who had contrary thoughts about what is posted. I also apologise to Demonland full heartedly, they expressed that the subject matter is susceptible to get out of hand, at that is why subjects such a those brought up get deleted. They don't pander to any of those groups I suggested they pander too. Thank you Demonland keep the good work going.

There's no need for an apology @kev martin I'm open to discussing this topic, provided it's handled with civility and respect. It's a significant social issue. However, it's important to acknowledge that discussions on some matters can sometimes become intense. This is why political topics are not allowed on Demonland. Granted this certainly isn't a political issue. We aim to prevent these intense debates from spilling into the footy discussions, which could potentially disrupt and close threads. Our moderators lack the time and training to manage these issues to everyone's satisfaction. In this instance, I had at least two women express discomfort and a feeling of unsafety due to the heated nature of the discussion in that thread, and they were not alone in their concerns. Administering this website can be particularly stressful, especially this year, and I've come close to shutting it down several times. I welcome discussions on the topic of domestic violence and societal violence against women. Anyone is free to initiate a thread on this matter. However, please be aware that if the discussion becomes too heated, it may be closed.

As mentioned earlier Jeff White's son Kilani is at the club all week. He was shadowing Greg Stafford and is almost as tall as Staff who stands at 2.03m or 6 ft 8 in.

It was discussing a very important social issue, the surge in domestic violence toward women. Agree with Kev on the poor form censoring this sidetrack when so many others are deemed acceptable. Especially given part of the issue in this area is mainstream disinclination to engage in the issue… From ABC - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-02/vincent-hurley-domestic-violence-qanda-response/103795152?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web

Casey boys are hitting the track already. Kolt, K Brown, AMW, Verrall, Jefferson, Adams, Tomlinson, Sestan, Fullarton, KFW

Assume Goody mean that McAdam will be playing in the VFL this week which is on Sunday and then the Carlton game is on the Thursday so only a 4 day break for McAdam meaning he would be no chance for the Blues game off 4 days given his current injury history. He has to play in the 2s this week because he was on limited minutes in the 2s last week and he has to be able to prove he can get through a full game before playing in the 1s. Unless of course they start by using him as a sub.

This wouldn't be Demonland if we didn't misspell someone's name.

I think what Andy has noted above is really important, with the second para of critical importance and raises an issue that i was just thinking of highlighting - the safety of victim survivors, women and children who read DL. On the topic of family violence, i wholeheartedly agree there needs to be discussion in society, particularly amongst men. But i don't believe a football focused thread is the appropriate space for such discussions (and even in the general forum i would have my concerns because of the risks of misinformation and traumatizing victim survivors if not expertly moderated - which is an incredibly difficult thing to do if the topic is family violence). I 1000% support the decision to not have a discussion about family violence on a football thread. I think discussion is important. But i believe that the most important discussions are those by men with their family, particularly their sons, and friends, particularly their male friends. Critical is understanding what family violence is, how many different types of family violence there are (eg financial control, psychological, electronic surveillance, control, emotional abuse, use of technology etc) and what drives it. A great place to start is the -Victoria's Royal Commission into Family Violence. For more general information Victoria's peak body for family and gender-based violence Safe Steps is great. For information about men's use of violence, Victoria's peak for ending male violence, No to Violence is a terrific resource. And if you are man who is concerned about your use of violence, the Men's Referral Service is the national counselling, information and referral service for men who use violence and abuse who want to change their behaviour. It is a confidential, anonymous service available 24/7 that you can call on 1300 766 491.

No player should be selected as the sub unless they can play a full game. You never know how early in a game the sub role is going to be activated to replace an injured player.

The training run was typical of all the Captain's Run I have observed in the past. I was a fairly quick and light session to get the legs moving with little contact and pressure. Players looked switched on. Skills were sharp. Goal kicking for the most part was accurate from my vantage point.

Comments are often deleted if they completely sidetrack the topic at hand. So people can follow the topic they clicked on. I would say with certainty this was not to dismiss this important issue. We all appreciate your great contributions on here. Perhaps start a thread on DV and footys efforts this round? It’s a massive issue and I know too many women who have suffered

I'll also add that there were no surprises in any of the lines. Usual forwards (including Disco) were with the forwards whenever they split into lines. Usual mids with Mids and usual defenders were with the defenders. The only anomaly I observed was when the Defenders split off and were just doing a kick to kick type drill Max joined in with them.

Knee still heavily strapped but he confirmed on the podcast the other day that there is no structural damage and it is more a pain management issue.

I'd echo this. While some topics are difficult, and certainly the current gendered-violence crisis, as being addressed by the AFL in each of the games, is not easy to talk about - the discussion of culture/the actions of boys/men in the crowd is clearly relevant, and should be kept where it doesn't descend into personal attacks/legal issues. And I would think Neil should receive explanation. Whatever your view of this issue, it should be discussed. The argument that it doesn't mix with sports doesn't wash, because the AFL itself is incorporating it into the games (which I think is a good visible move, and sends a strong, united message to the crowd - although I think Brad Scott's comments re Tarryn were poorly timed and send the wrong/inconsistent message).

Squad is out on the field. Emergencies: Hunter, Brown & Hore out on the park

If anything happens in footy this week more stupid than playing someone a single WEEK after a hamstring tear, it’ll have to be REALLY stupid.

I agree that it is a matter worth discussing. The natural home for any such thread would be "General Discussion" board, which is intended for non-footy related topics.

That's awesome :-) I'm so happy Ben is at the Dees. He deserved success, and I hope (given his skills of course, but probably more so his good character) that he picks up a leadership position at the club when he hangs up those big boots.

NO! Come back Kev we need you

Thanks, WCW. I shared BBB's words, particularly his final two paragraphs, on my socials. Love that man. Good role model. I hope the boys (and their fathers) are listening. Please send that man a big hug.

Interesting to note that McAdam was not out with the Casey boys.

This is a truly excellent decision, and one that is long overdue. SBMT is my local club where my son plays in the juniors, and I look forward to reporting on Kyah's progress this season.

You might need to attend umpire training and quiz former Demon and current goal umpire David Rodent.

You and your waylaying of young men, WCW...! Whatever will the club welfare officer do 😁 But in seriousness - red and blue in envy at those of you at training this morning!

I get it's hard to conceptualise how brutual and taxing the game is on the body until you've done it yourself. It's such an odd thing to personalise Parfitt's (or anyone's) 'management' as a statement of arrogance as opposed to 'literal' management of his fatigue and loading for a competition whereby most athletes will be running effectively 30-40km weekly, plus all the intense contact that comes weekly, and still having to put in those km's - and then doing it 8 months of the year... Here's the thing: managing players is a crucial strategy in today's elite sports. Squad Rotation: Teams have a larger pool of talented players than just the starting 22. This allows coaches to rotate players to prevent fatigue and injuries. Match-Specific Strategies: Every opponent presents a different challenge. Coaches might choose players who have a specific skillset that directly counters the strengths of the team they're facing. Injury Management: Even minor niggles can be a concern for elite athletes. A player might be listed as "managed" to avoid aggravating a slight injury and ensure they're fit for important games later in the season. That said, it's also fair to acknowledge the complexities involved. Without being privy to the inner workings of a team, it's difficult to definitively judge the motivations behind a player's "management." There could be a genuine need to manage fatigue or a niggling injury, or perhaps there's a tactical consideration at play. Ultimately, the goal should be to maximize the team's success while prioritising player well-being. Open communication between coaches, players, and the public can help foster trust and understanding in these situations and, the reality is, is that that information is rarely for public consumption.

Schadenfreude and the memory of this is all that gets me out of bed at the moment.

no one in the league throws the ball as blatantly as Cripps

Carlton fans booing Maynard , love it.

Let's not go crazy. Might just be dropping back.

nothing to worry about, mr fence. just your usual stalking and grooming see uncle bitters for more details.

Bowser, Salem, Melksham doing some work post Captains Run with trainers.

I'd like to say I enjoyed writing my observations of training for you. Thank you for your support However this site has decided to fall on the side of the apathetic and/or misogynist. My post about domestic conditions were deleted, without any explanation. Somethings are bigger than footy. Establishing a society with equal access to all, without oppression, ridicule and violence is important to me. I will not post again.

I was until i realised it's my anniversary today. My lil storm cloud has other plans WCW! Kev is reliable 😁 & Andy up early!

Let's be sensible. One club has to go. In fairness, there should be a vote. I vote Collingwood.

There's no game without umpires and they do good work in a very difficult and highly scrutinised job. It's poor to refer to them as "maggots".

Things I like about this photo (apart from it being a Melbourne FC team): black boots long socks wool jumpers no sponsorship logos no mullets or other silly hairstyles no visible tattoos

Apparently domestic violence is a footy topic after all. It is a societal problem, we need to do better. Grown-ups can multi task after all. The AFL is taking this on, we should too. @kev martin

Great to see Goodwin talking about the domestic violence issue in his presser. Maybe such discussion DO have a place on a footy forum...

I went to training but l couldn’t tell who did what.l ran into WCW and we talked the whole time! Well somebody did most of the talking! A most pleasant morning standing in the sun.

I’d like a running commentary and then a detailed report on each player. In particular Viney and Oliver. Make it happen.

For the cats so far this year, Parfitt is: - 1st tackles (ave 6.8) - 2nd clearances (ave 5.2) - 1st contested possessions (ave 9.3) Geelong actually run pretty thin in the guts and Parfitt out is significant. Personally I don’t think our midfield has fired as a collective all season. Sure we’ve had cameos that’s help us get us over the line. But satday night I wanna see us flex in the midfield and dominate this one start to finish. A 50+ point win. Don’t “manage” your guys against us you arrogant [censored]. [censored] I hate Geelong.

This is the report from Callum Twomey on afl.com.au ~ PROJECT TALLS JOIN AMATEUR CLUBS by Callum Twomey TWO DEVELOPING AFL-listed talls have been assigned clubs in the Victorian Amateurs competition for this season in a bid to give them more game time experience.

 Melbourne's Kyah Farris-White will play at St Bede's Mentone and Richmond's Oliver Hayes-Brown will play for Old Ivanhoe in moves designed to give them more opportunities to develop. It gives both the chance to grow as rucks which they otherwise would not get at their VFL sides due to other talls being ahead of them, with the AFL approving the moves. The Category B pair both come from basketball backgrounds – Farris-White played high school basketball in Canada and America while Hayes-Brown is a former Perth Wildcats basketballer. Farris-White played for the Dandenong Stingrays last year and is a 206cm prospect while the 23-year-old Hayes-Brown is 208cm. 

Whether they are selected in their respective VFL sides or play at Amateurs level can be decided week to week depending on player availability. Rivals watch Saint, free agency switch floated, Hawk's trigger If this sounds familiar, it’s because I’ve been advocating this sort of strategy for players like KFW coming out of systems that are outside the usual pathways. KFW appears to have struggled to adapt at this level and I commend the club for this initiative to get the young ruckman up to speed in what is, after all, a very specialised craft in our game.

 St Bedes Mentone are in VAFA Premier B Division which should provide him with some good ruck opposition. They play Old Haileybury tomorrow at Mentone Reserve where he will most likely come across Casey listed ruckman Jack Bell who should provide him with a good test. There are also quite a few solid ruckmen in that division which includes nearby Beaumaris which had a young Collingwood listed player doing his apprenticeship a couple of years ago. This is what I wrote in the Casey thread for the first round vs Box Hill Hawks at the end of March:-

And Lever's little scare. And maybe not nail-biting but Max's 5 had me on the edge of my seat with excitement, does that count?

The only nail biting part of the 2021 final against them was May going off with a hammy 😂

The best part of that interview was the fact that Tom asked to play defense again, at the end of last season. Saved your career Tom. Well played