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I am coming around to the Baghdad Bob way of thinking on deals. That basically is if you get what you want, the actual specifics of the deal is not important. For example, if you want a particular player and you don’t get the pick you would like, but still get the player with the pick received, what does it matter? We can get hung up on numbers, when it is really the full deal outcome that is important.

Put a dollar 5 metres in front oh him and watch him fly.

I've read all 329 pages and I'm convinced he's doing both.

Keep posting, most of us enjoy it.

Josh Mahoney: ok, I’m finally ready to sell that car you’ve had your eye on Peter Bell: great! I’ve been hanging out for it. JM: I’m asking $15K PB: I think I can do that. Yeah, alright. JM: come around and we’ll do the paperwork Later… PB: This will be a big hit with the chicks. Here’s your 9K JM: 9K? We agreed 15! PB: Yeah, well, I just spent 6 of it on something else so you have to accept 9 now JM: I can’t sell it for 9 PB: take it or leave it, [censored] JM: will have to leave it. PB: (on twitter) I have pulled out of the deal. The asking price was not possible for me to meet. JM doesn’t negotiate in good faith. I don’t like the way that car handles anyway. And I think it’s got rust.

"Did someone say desk??"

Careful buddy.

Also, should we get May, the overwhelming likelihood is that Oscar and May play in the same team. It isn't one or the other.

I hope Hogan stays. In fact, I hope both he and May are playing for the MFC in 2019 but I just don’t see that happening. Riled up by Freo’s nakedly stupid actions I hope the club no longer indulges them at the trade table. Perhaps this is why I’m not employed in Josh Mahoney’s position - why let personal emotion get in the way of a business decision? I feel for Hogan and his personal circumstances and personally hold no ill will toward him but can equally understand other posters frustrations about him exploring a trade/not committing to MFC. Gut feel is that the deal will get done. Freo will crow about their negotiating tactics. Some, including myself will feel a bit disappointed that we didn’t get ‘Judd-like’ compensation for Hogan. However, our professional team will have achieved their objective: trading out a player who wanted to go, getting in Steven May who will improve team balance and wants to play for us, along with an improved draft hand. Melbourne will look like a club that gets it done and cares for players welfare which will enhance our brand in the industry. Freo will be exposed for the anachronistic spivs they are.

This isn't about them not wanting Jesse all of a sudden. It's about getting something for nothing. I wish we could go dodgy eBay seller on them and give them their win by accepting the second rounders but then send them one of those blow up Jesse dolls and then not return their emails.

Preuss equates to supersizing king and flipper Tyson was behind a big queue for inside mid kent wanted out for more stability. We had Bernie gracefully retire. all of the rest were fringe, and obviously assessed as nqr with low potential ceilings. we have Bradke and Tangles as cat B project players. we add KK, get hunt firing and return Fritter to the wing. we land May if we lose hogan we use our academy pick on Bedford (matching if an oppo club selects him, 2nd or 3rd round at best) Taylor trades up, or nabs a couple of smokeys we are significantly better off with Petty and Baker still developing we are in a good spot.

What an [censored] hole of a poster you are. 100%. A 'health scare' is when the doc makes a diagnosistic mistake. Jesse had CANCER, and the ramifications can affect him long term even if the risk of death is no longer near. Are you his physician? Otherwise what you write is garbage. But Mr Macho from Sydney anonymously thinks it's nothing to watch a parent die from cancer and should forget about it and be "man enough"!!!! What a [censored].

It’s funny isn’t it. We’ve spent years talking about brayshaw’s concussion saying how tough his football style is and that’s why he’s getting them. Now people say that KK is soft because of his style of play e.g. more outside, I guarantee you a lot of those people haven’t seen him. Very excited about his acquisition. The right mix of tough and polish and I think he’ll be a great addition.

Page 334 Hats off to Don Bradman... and Tubby of course ?

Ahh, here we go. The poster who knows eff all during the year, then at trade time, suddenly knows every intimate detail that gets discussed in the FD, right at the moment that you could probably just assemble all the rumours and take a wild stab and get to the same conclusion. Add a dash of “trust me, this is rock solid” and there you have it. The only surprising thing is that it’s taken over 300 pages of this thread for him to turn up.

If Jesse ends up staying it will be business as usual and he and the club will move on and get on with it. If he wants that next big long term contract wherever that might be, he'll need to perform whenever he sets foot on the ground. I can easily deal with either outcome. Like it or not, players are now commodities and commodities can be sold off or kept as assets. Either/or. No emotion, no drama, no attachment - sell or keep. Like it is with numerous individuals in sport the World over. Loyalty is a 2-way street. So it might be time for a few to take some old-school chill pills ...

On the other hand, some are like jealous lovers who see betrayal in every glance.

No i have not. My stance has not changed. If Freo want to buy Hogan they pay Top $$ or [censored] off Quite simple. Key Forwards are hard to find and we should know. In 160 seasons we have NEVER had a 100 goal kicker. Hogan hasn’t peaked yet... So pay ? up or leave.

We really have been softened up by Freo Honestly ... how many people six weeks ago would have agreed that trading Hogan for May plus steak knives was a good deal.

It must be challenging to live with disappointment year on year.

The ‘message to the group’ is that we will be honest with you about your role at the club and that we will facilitate a trade to a club that sees a more preferred role should you not agree with how we see your future. I know it’s not a ‘bumper sticker’ of a message but it’s more preferable and accurate than your ‘earn your wage ya bums’ slogan...

I'm feeling content - no lose situation. Trade with Fremantle will happen at a reasonable price and we'll on trade for May. Trade doesn't happen and an exciting experiment with Jesse at CHB in 2019. The dogs may bark but the caravan rolls along.

There is so much misinformation around it is just laughable. On the 2nd back page of the Sun today one journo says Langdon staying with the Pies. Underneath another Journo says Pies want Beams, who wants to go back, but have no picks, so will use what they get in the Langdon trade.

I have not heard anything. I am ambivalent to Hogan leaving providing we get a player that makes us better. I am glad we have Mahoney not Bell negotiating on behalf of our team. I think Fremantle have disgraced themselves and wonder why a player would want to go there or stay there.

I have 13 followers, 4 are pending though.

I just told him how amazing Jesse is and that he should just do the deal and leave the thinking to those better qualified for it.

You can email all your thoughts on Jesse Hogan to [email protected] I have already done it and told him what I think.

Exactly right! When GCS played Richmond and Reiwoldt kicked 10.6 on him, you didn't see May complaining about the midfield did you? Nosireee! He took it on the chin and accepted that it was because he was just not a good enough one on one defender! But Oscar McDonld, did you see his press conference after the Melb v Richmond game when Reiwoldt kicked 2 on him? Carrying on, blaming the midfield for those two goals, it was a terrible look! He should have taken responsibility for those two goals, just like May did for those 10, right? /sarcasm Virtually no defender will win one on one's in modern football without appropriate zoning and midfield support. Oscar had a pretty bloody awesome year considering that fact. Other than Hawkins, no one really got a hold of him. And as per actual match day form, even May wouldn't make a difference in those scenarios.

The main indicator to me of the Jesse deal being done, is that we have said we are doing it to get May and May does not seem to be panicking and talking to other clubs as a fall back position. If May is comfortable with what is happening, it’s because we have probably told him the deal will be done and to just hang in there. That suggests to me that Jesse will not be a Demon Wednesday night and May and KK will. What the deal is, who knows, depends who blinks first.

My interpretation was a more basic version of the same: dumb footballer trying to use corporate wank speak and mincing his words.

The bloke is passing on some info. No need to pot the bloke, if you don’t believe it then good good for you and move on. I’m sure there are many including myself who are happy to have info shared on here.

In a side that lacks linebreakers we can ill afford to lose Jayden Hunt. He ain’t perfect but you’re underrating him. Seen him play some very good footy particularly on the bigger grounds and I can tell you forwards love it when the footy comes in quick and long the way Hunt can thump it in there. He also doesn’t want for courage. Goes when it’s his turn to go and sticks a decent tackle. Still young with room for improvement. He’s a keep for mine.

Nice story 'GNF'. Up there with Little Red Riding Hood & a few other tall tales. Make it plausible by using North, they're throwing cash around like confetti. Problem is their offers are for free agents and out of contract players. Oliver is neither. Olivers vague connection to North is that they are an AFL team & he is an AFL player. It didn't make the media because it didn't happen. I have no doubt when Oliver's next contract is due he will get some very large to massive offers and we will need to take good care of him.

Can’t believe there are still people who want T-Mac to return to defence.

Darwin.

You honestly think they would have let him do the media run just to [censored] with Melb?! Like Mahoney gives to flying fs if the “fans” are fed up. Not all “fans” are fed up either, I’m pretty relaxed about it. I want him to stay because he is our best fwd. If he doesn’t then I know Mahns and co have it sorted. YOU seem to be reveling in this though don’t you Range Rover. I think you need some fresh air, go for a walk, hang with the family, stars and the crescent moon are amazing tonight.

Beams will be 29 when the season starts. Neale will be 25.

I must be on happy pills. If he goes, he goes and the club is either happy with that (or delirious with joy as some here would have it). If he stays I'm not worried about a year of speculation/lack of commitment/relations with the team. I reckon MFC can handle all that. And I don't give a damn about media speculation as long as it doesn't affect the team internally.

I have a secret sauce. Freo get pick 5 from BNE for Neale and Hogan goes to KFC for pick 6, 17 and 68, (family bucket) which he swaps for picks 22, 223 and 2 (spicy wings, nuggets and a coke) Bell refuses the wings but cleverly swaps the nuggets for a packet of darts which Hogan accepts and becomes a Marquis player. (nice Moustache and boots.)

A bloke who has suffered from cancer and lost his old man within a short period of time is looking at his options to move home. i have good mail on this and can say for certain that Hogan loves the club and the boys. He might go but make no mistake there is no I’ll feeling towards Melbourne.

And we have now made a preliminary final after being a basket case club only 5 years ago. Now they continue to look for the missing ingredients to get us a flag. Pretty good so far.

A mate who actually spoke with Lachie on Friday. Obviously it is dependent on the Bell-end but the feeling was it's pretty much finalised. The Hogan deal I was assuming. I highly doubt the Dockers will want to lose Neale without a 'big fish' to show to their supporters.

Rjay, this and everything else I have ever said on Demonland is info I have heard directly, usually it’s from the club sometimes it’s from friends in the player management game. If you don’t want to believe what I write don’t, you have every right to believe what ever you want. Player managers call each other everyday to test the market to see if a targeted player may be able to be seduced. NM did enquire about Oliver with a massive deal, the truth is they are probably not the only club to have made an enquire. It happens all the time. It means nothing. Only a small percentage of these make the media. I don’t make this stuff up. As for others on here that abuse me for saying what I hear. Get a life. Until this, I have never responded to your insults, I am entertained you waste so much of your time trying to discredit me. The abuse I received for telling you after R5 2013 that Neeld was soon to be fired and Roos was locked in as our coach in 2014, or the abuse for letting you know Clark was coming out of retirement but would not play for MFC, we were “blindsided”, or that we were looking to trade out Pick 2 in 2013. I could go on. Each time I cop abuse. Its extraordinary. One last thing which continuously comes up. 4 years ago I never said we were getting Dangerfield, I only said Roos had made a play for him, which was true.

Neale met with Bell after Bell’s appointment and told him he won’t play another game with the Dockers (according to an article I read yesterday). I understand the Dockers wanting to hold a player to their contract however days before Bell was appointed the Dockers were open to trading Neale. Along comes Bell and quashes the potential trade, he must really want that feather.

Comparing May and Oscar is not valid. Oscar is 22, the valid comparison is May at 22 in 2014 with Oscar now. Oscar is on a steep improvement curve year on year and will become a very strong all round defender.

5 minutes prior to that ... PB's wife: you knew I was looking forward to that car! You've embarrassed me. You go right back and apologise and buy it!!! Or no nookie for the next ...... forever!!!!!!

Yes total outlier situation when we were bleeding goals. Akin to the last 2 minutes of quarters. It's pulling the emergency cord. The context of the question was using Hogan as starting CHB next year. Are you seriously suggesting that we'll ever start TMac as key back in the future? It's over - he's a key forward. .

The Facebook and Twitter accounts of 12 years olds with 7 followers are not reliable sources.

There is a miss conception by some on Demonland. The preferred position by our FD is and has always been for JH to stay. Let me make this point with absolute and clear authority. I have been told directly. The MFC is becoming a destination club. The FD is aware that doing the right thing by players...... even contracted stars to purse their own journey is required to becoming a destination club. As I have said before, this situation only started because JH in his end of season interview said he would not sign a contract extension over summer. He had yet to make a decision on whether he would move at the end of his contract. The discussion went forward from this point. He has never requested a trade. JH is happy to play for the Dees next season and is far from a certainty to ask to be traded next season. Talk that our FD preferred him to leave or thought we would have a more balanced team without him is utter and complete rubbish. I cant say this strongly enough. It is a fact. Our FD is ecstatic that JH appears to be staying for 2019. They are more than hopeful he will end up signing an extension. The FD are thinking this is his Dusty moment.