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If a list is young and crap there's no point "boasting". We put out the youngest team more often than not and won 3 on the trot, beat Collingwood twice, beat Hawthorn, beat Port over there, beat GWS, and had only one ten goal loss. For the youngest team in the league there was a bit to crow about. But the youngest team in the competition won't win a flag, which is all I care about. Hibberd will be a terrific addition to our defence, while I'm less sure about Melksham. Importantly, we have a group that can grow together. If we could get a 26-28 year old gun I'm all for it. Easier said than done. With that said, I have little clue with what you're on about or if you're being critical of my stance on our young list.

Personally I think this has more to do with players being able to 'nominate' their preferred destination than it being an AFL equalisation issue/failure. However, it might be an unanticipated by-product of free agency, as these 'nominations' have seemingly increased every year since free agency commenced.

Wells is 31 and injury prone and they've given him a three year big $$ contract. Mayne is average at best and they've offered him a 4 year big $$ contract. They're desperate to try and improve their win/loss ratio next year to save the coaches hide, it's a horrible long term decision from them. we're miles ahead of the Pies and our list is far younger so there is more scope for growth and development. Hibberd suits our needs far more than either Mayne or Wells do, so we've gone for the guy we need, targeted recruiting with a plan. what's the Pies plan? i can't for the life of me see what they're trying to do. neither Mayne or Wells will be in the Pies next premiership side, but there is a chance Hibberd and or Melksham ould be for us.

I want to personally thank Josh Mahoney for trading away our 1st round pick as this is the first time in years I havent listened to trade radio.

OUT: Pavlich, Mayne and possibly Ballantyne plus Barlow. Ageing Sandilands, Johnson, Dawson, Mundy IN: McCarthy (issues) Hill (down hill skier) Wouldn't get to excited by them just yet.

Day one summary. Everyone wants to go to hawthorn or cats. If no interest from those two they want to go to the pies. Contracts mean nothing and being a FA has no relevance. Comp is becoming a joke

This is the only way. The US use free agency works well because it works both ways. Players can be traded to any club without their permission while not a free agent, however, once a free agent they can also move anywhere and the team they were playing for isn't compensated. At the moment we have free agency, plus we have a system where players need to agree to trades and therefore 90% of the time get to the club of their choosing anyway. Something has to change with the system!

Mayne is 3 years older than Melksham.

Gibbs is about to turn 28, has won one BnF and averages 5.5 Brownlow votes a season. If they get pick 13 for him they've done well.

LIGHT BULB JUST WENT OFF Melbourne Receive: Pick 30 , Pick 52 Melbourne Lose: Lynden Dunn , Pick 46 Brisbane Receive: Lynden Dunn , pick 8 Brisbane Lose: Pearce Hanley, pick 30 Hawthorn Receive: Jaeger, O Meara Hawthorn Lose: Pick 14, pick 52, Kaiden Brand, Will Langford Gold Coast Receive: Pearce Hanley, Kaiden Brand, Pick 14, pick 46, Will Langford, Seems like all 4 clubs would agree to that was going to give GCS pick 21 and 22 to Brizzy instead of 8 but pick 8 is more valuable to Brisbane because 21 and 22 give GCS more points for Bowes. THEN: Melbourne Receive: Michael Hibberd Melbourne Lose: 2017 2nd rounder, pick 52 (possibly add 2017 1st if they don't budge) Essendon Receive ; Melbourne 2017 2nd rounder, pick 52 Essendon Lose: Michael Hibberd THEN: Melbourne Receive: Pick 15 Melbourne Lose: Pick 28 and Pick 30 GWS Receive : Pick 28 and Pick 30 GWS Lose: Pick 15 Gws gain 200 points for their academy guns OVERALL TRADE PERIOD Melbourne Receive: Michael Hibberd, Pick 15 Melbourne Lose: Pick 26, Pick 46, 2017 2nd rounder Not bad?

This is Gil's nightmare scenario. Not the drugs. Not the blackening of the names of the EFC and the AFL. No. It's that now he'll have to make a decision.

The problem is they shouldn't have pick 1 to begin with. They should be made to suffer in the bottom 4 for the next decade, but the AFL let them off lightly as you'd expect from the corrupt clowns that run the league.

Collingwood have lost the plot - not that their plot was much in the first place.

Nobody doubts Well's talent but at 32 and with his history of injury and doubts of his capacity to play at anything less than 100% fit a 3 year $1.8 million deal comes with a large amount of risk of having 600K a year of dead money in the cap. Mayne just seems overpriced for a player of his talent and role. Again if its a 4 year $2 million deal if he can't get back to his Freo form of a few years ago that is also potentially a lot of dead money in the cap. For mine they seem desperate short term moves to get the Pies into the bottom of the 8 and save Buckley's coaching career. Time will tell!

My question is, how the hell does Geelong afford his salary? Geelong and Hawthorn's salary caps are like Mary Poppins bag.

I wonder why it's Hawthorn so anyway - they're not the only club that are a flag threat, and they're not the only club with money. I reckon a big part of why everyone is silent on this except fans is that because that the people who are involved don't think it's an issue. It could be that the reason so many players seem to choose Hawthorn (or Collingwood) is because that's the club that pursued them the hardest have gave them the most compelling deal. Clubs always have a strategy when it comes to recruiting players, it could be that Melbourne's discussion goes, "yeah look we'd love Tom Mitchell, but with our talented young list we're not prepared to offer him that sort of money because we'll have a salary cap later, if Hawthorn want to throw everything at one last flag, let them go nuts...", or "yeah look we'd love Tom Mitchell, but we're not prepared to sacrifice ourselves out of the 2016 and 2017 drafts, or lose any of our key young talent, in order to get the deal done with Sydney. If Hawthorn want to throw everything at one last flag, let them go nuts...". Next time someone ends up at a function with Todd Viney when he's in one of his candid moods, ask him about it.

On that point, shouldn't Geelong be subject to a COLD...cost of living discount?

Hey guys, to break up this busy trade period check out this funny vid we threw together. Things Dees supporters NEVER say. Share if you like!https://youtu.be/9ixfJ66L5qE

I find it stunning that GWS who knocked back 2 first round picks from Freo last year for McCarthy, look like accepting pick 3 while giving back picks 7 & 32. Freo must be in hysterics.

Dusty I'm pretty sure gets a gig

THE SWISS COURT APPEAL HAS FAILED! They are now, for all time, officially GUILTY and CONVICTED DRUG CHEATS. Hand back the medal Jobe, you cheat.

Lols @ Richmond being interested in Caddy. They really have no [censored] idea. A starting midfield of Cotchin, Caddy and Miles with Ellis and Grigg on the wings. With Townsend, Moore, Hunt and Conca to provide support. Hells yeh.

Lol

How about just letting the "issue" sort its self out. Where Hawthorne is at as a club has been built up over 10- 15years. In the early 2000's no one would go there, the club was a basket case. So they built up by the draft and developed a competitive and ultimately successful team. only after their initial success did players from other clubs want to go there. Geelong was the same. bulldogs are going to become that, same with GWS We're on that same path. We're developing a list, success will come. When we're a successful club, players will be nominating us and our own players will choose to stay for less coin because of success. all the crap about how can they afford players is just social media noise, I'm sure the hawks would welcome the AFL integrity unit to go over the books.

we are effectively adding 2 half back flankers this year (hibberd, melksham). adding a 3rd half back flanker when we have other pressing needs would be lunacy.

With only probably the Hawks able to survive the flak if it backfired.

If Hawthorn get Mitchell and O'Meara, then... They will have to pay for them. I'll save the wrist slashing until I see the outcome.

This. It could be easily fixed by not requiring players who are not free agents to give their permission to be traded to a certain club.

he has walked out on them. blues wanna keep him A-hole move on his part

I have a headache. How do you think of all that?

meanwhile, up in harbor town, cronulla are still celebrated their premiership, 3 years after cooperating with asada and taking their medecine without enriching the legal fraternity.

Shits me that Essendrug can get first dibs on their top up players like Dea, since they will technically be DFA's, they can pick them up without any other club getting a chance at them, all because they pumped their players full of illegal drugs.

and that would be draft tampering, especially since dedoro has telescoped it. but expect afl integrity unit to look the other way

361: serious problems with the system. The drug cheats gain astounding advantage. In comparison when we were punished, poorly managed and at the bottom of the ladder (no different to Dons today) our early picks were lost to the development teams GC & GWS. It sends me insaine!

Jeez! That's one for the ages. I could have sworn that Peter Gordon said that "these young men have been subject to one of the gravest injustices in Australian sporting history". That the CAS finding " contains factual errors" and "unsupported propositions of law." Surely it was a lay down misere. Those damn Swiss. We're the ones who are supposed to have kangaroo courts. I bet they're all NRL supporters.

Did the EFC lawyers, or Hirds, get a single thing right through this whole saga, except of course that the AFL tribunal was going to let them off, but that was a fait accompli before the hearing even started.

Article by Jonathon Brown addresses this issue. Simply players cant have it both ways. If they want choice, then clubs should be able to trade them as they see fit while under contract. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/jonathan-brown-calls-for-change-to-afl-trade-rules/news-story/743cec9d7b35e472757637f4bd339e39

And Old Dee but a Good Dee.

All of this 'destination club' rubbish is starting to give me the sheeeits. I don't really GAF at the moment. We have a young core of talented players that will make us great without relying a jet nominating us. What relevance does it really have? Build a bridge.

Trade Period Day 2: We haven't got a trade through yet and the world is coming to an end.

Lewis made his debut in 2005. Maybe we would take him as a free agent but why on earth would we want to cough up anything for a 30y.o on the downside? Only as a Cross type situation surely?

It's not a lie, much like a fire department, the AFL Integrity Unit's role is to extinguish.

Stinks - FA got people thinking about moving to other clubs .... and now trading has legs there's no stopping it !! It stands to reason that the wealthy clubs with the best facilities are the destination clubs. The biggest long term problem is that it'll start breaking down club loyalties. What is the little Richmond supporter with #3 on his back going to think when B Deledio kicks a goal for Geelong against Richmond?

Wait, did someone say Jordan Lewis might be going to Melbourne?! My mind can't even comprehend that.

Oh good.....they're back.

'Curveball' he said...a mighty step-up from 'scattergun'.

He's a genius. Because we have done it two years running, he's tipping it this year. What a spud he is.

Are we not in a similar position to Collingwood with the calls for "More experienced players" a month ago? Granted they've pressed ahead on maximum speed with the experienced player offer. But surely they and us both agree that to make the finals next year will have untold experiential benefits that far exceed the negatives of short-term salary cap offers for 2-3 years maximum aged players. Personally I think Bucks is making the right move in trading in Wells & Mayne in order to push their club temporarily over the 8/10 line, get their players some finals experience and hope that snowballs into some success further down the line. I would at least like to see one experienced player join the Dees.

I have thought all along our 2nd rounder next year is a better deal. Not sure why Mahoney ever talked our pick this year unless it was to avoid focus on the issue. We lost Melksham for a year. The bombers can wait until next year for the Hibberd pick. Half a chance it ends up a better pick anyway. But for us we need to get in to this draft and there's every chance an even draft a kid we rated in the top 15 or so gets to 28. Too important to give that up.

No. We take the option which best works for us. That's what all clubs do. It's the nature of the business.