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Ditto. Saty, for all his blind loyalty, does us all a favour by bringing such detailed training summaries. I, for one, am grateful.

Deliberately lose games to get the best draft picks, then have a great team and be world beaters.

It's interesting for someone like me who always reads D'land but seldom posts (anymore) the often quite vitriolic posts that are directed to TDI's training reports. I'm assuming DD36 that you also attend just as many sessions as you seem also to be very well informed (is that correct) I for one don't attend training sessions and so read with avid interest the reports from people that do attend and whilst I realise that these are opinion based I would certainly see no reason to bag these opinions . When the season proper starts we will see for ourselves the improvement or not in our MFC players. So if Roos & Co see fit to keep Jordie, Bail, etc on our list , I for one will applaud these players for trying to get the best out of themselves & will withhold criticism until it is warranted in 2015 & not based on past performances. In summary ....to all those who are able to attend training sessions the reports & photos that are posted are very much appreciated by I am sure many on Demonland & when I am in a position to actually watch the players in this pre-season then I can then legitimately agree or disagree with these posts

We have Lumumba. A reliable, solid bodied premiership backman. As much as I liked Mitch's best football, there wasn't much of it. We have done well from this debacle.

I don't. He can go to hell and stay there as far as I'm concerned.

The bloke really pisses me off. Having to hear him pedalling the I am Geelong line and see him pumping up the cats on social media is such a slap in the face to Melbourne supporters. Different if he had of gone quietly and been humble but he is carrying on like an excited first year player and blowing smoke up the arse of the Geelong Footy Club, just as it did when he first came to the MFC! The bloke is a fraud. He has severe personality disorder. Rumoured to have nailed a past MFC players girlfriend while engaged too. Love to know more to that story. The very fact he hides behind the veil of depression makes me sick. I saw photos of him smashing booze with the MFC players supposedly during the height of his depression. He lied to Brisbane and then did the same to us. No well wishes from me. I admire people giving it to him on social media. The weak dog never answers any questions. Just replies with "like you'd know" "coz you understand my situation" blah blah. Just a big load of B.S.

There will the infrequent thread pop up every now and then just like it did with Scully as we vented and purged as was necessary. I know it's not healthy, but I would have MC in my top 5 of the most punchable heads in footy right now.

Seeing that report made me want to puke.

Why is there a thread on this dog, he is lower than the dirt on Tom scullys boots

Isn't it obvious? Questionable character and fragile psyche. An unreliable key pillar is not the foundation to build a side upon. But the cats are bullish about his ability to perform for them. As were we, once.

Agree but Bernie is a hoot.

2019 Jones 27, Melksham 24 2018 Brayshaw 19, Petracca 19, Gawn 23, Garland 26 (UFA), 2017 Dunn 27, Hogan 20, Viney 20, Lumumba 28, Kennedy-Harris20, Salem 19, Vandenberg 23, Neal-Bullen 19, Stretch 18, Kennedy* 21, Bugg* 23, Oliver18, Weideman18, King18, Hulett18 2016 Trengove 22, Dawes 26, Grimes 25 (RFA), Watts 24 (RFA), Vince 29, Tyson* 21, Kent 21, M Jones 27, Spencer 25 (UFA), T McDonald22, Terlich 25, Jetta 25, Garlett 25, Frost 21, Newton 22, O McDonald 19, Pedersen 28, King ®19, White ®18, Smith ®20, Hunt 19, Harmes 19, Michie 23, OUT (8): Cross (Ret.), Jamar (Del.), McKenzie (Del.), Riley (Del.), Bail (Del.), Fitzpatrick (Del.), Howe (T), Toumpas (T) INS (8) : Melksham, Kennedy, Bugg, Smith ®, Vandenberg (Upgraded), Harmes (Upgraded), Oliver, Weideman, King, Hulett * = Require confirmation... Those underlined are player I think are the top 11 paid players; RFA is determined by players being among these 11 (obviously this will be wrong but hopefully indicative). Ages are from the 1st April 2015 - an arbitrary date fit for a fool...

I just want the truth to come out soon. Something just didn't add up. I get the feeling the club was more then happy for Clark to leave.

Lower the gift shop prices. $85 for a shirt is taking the pi$$.

Let Redleg members who take guests that are barracking for Melbourne to sit in the Redlegs area rather than forcing them upstairs to 2A. If the guests support the opposition fair enough as people pay to sit amongst their own supporters, but it's not as if bays N1-N4 are full. If they enjoy the experience they might sign up.

Maybe if people stopped attacking the new members then lurkers would be more encouraged to start contributing. Too many times I see posters with less substantial post counts dismissed based on their newbie status. It's very off-putting to people who love the club just as much as you, and discourages new members and new ideas and discussions from taking place. Post count holds too much gravitas on this forum by some members.

they took our spot at the bottom o the ladder the bastards if you wanna copy us at least try and hide it

It seems Mitch Clark has questionable integrity. To me, he epitomises many of the negative aspects of Gen Y - strikes me as quite a self absorbed guy: the constant tweeting, his assembly of 'look at me' stickers, his naive artistic calling, his poor treatment of this club. That said - he is simply an unbelievable footballer. The start to 2012 was the only thing I looked forward to each game. I loved seeing him in the red and blue and will always remember some of his performances for us. I find it sad that it turned out this way. It needn't have. Very happy we got Lumumba though.

He's gone, it's over, move on.

Viv is a very private person and very self conscious when talking about his footy. But he isn't rude and would just brush it off. Good kid and from what I know has no injury issues.

a rehab clinic

No time for the guy. I hope we don't have to read much more on him here this year.

There is a reason why this place went into melt down when the rumour surfaced about him moving clubs. He is a bloody good player when fit, he will rip it up at the cats. The only thing that will stop him is injuries. They are the clear winners in that trade. At least we got some very good compensation for him rather than nothing. Him leaving the club for medical reasons still doesnt sit right with me. I think there is a lot more to the story than we are being told.

It's going to be an interesting 3-4 years in evaluating the Clark trade. Geelong has gone in with high risk, high reward in Clark, who at is best is clearly the best player in the deal, and someone who if fit for long enough could help keep Geelong in premiership contention. Melbourne has taken the most proven, durable and consistent player in the deal, in a position and playing style the side desperately needs. We aren't in position to take too many punts on players and it's a definite upgrade over our other running backmen, even if he does spend time in the middle. And Collingwood has furthered its 2015 stealth tanking mode with the acquisition of a genuine dud. Wins all round.

With saying that, I didn't ever see you speaking up at AGM's or putting yourself forward to assist the club, I attended a workshop recently and when asked for words that sprung to mind with MFC, I said whingers, and was howled down, then the whingeing started, but nobody came up with solutions as per the norm I am a realist, the club fell in a hole of it's own making, and somebody kicked the ladder away, we have now found the ladder, we just have to climb out of the hole The coaches do know better, that is why they are an AFL coach, and most if not all on here are not Some on here can't even form their own opinions, I listen to or read a piece from one of the so called experts in the media and the next day it's quoted on here as fact Jordie's disposal efficiency is around the normal for most solid AFL players over their career which is 75 to 80%, if it wasn't he wouldn't be on the list Actually to make a point re the efficiency, Nev Jetta's was always in the 90% region yet he was delisted, why because his body continually let him down, let's see what McKenzie can do with a full preseason

This is his first full pre-season... managed to be awesome last year so i'm not worried at all!

I don't know about anyone else but how satisfying is it gunna be when we start to win consistently knowing that u have "paid the price" (membership) so to speak for the last 8 long depressing years and more. Being a paid member is like being married in that u go through the goods times, which there has been sfa lately and the bad times which there has been plenty of. Like I say to me young kids "stick with it and the rewards will come". The mighty demons will rise again.

Well, logic didn't work. If everyone thought and acted like you we'd have no club. Be thankful that they don't.

Gotcha. He certainly looks physically ready but I think we need to be patient. Dunn, McDonald, Garland should all be picked ahead of him come Round 1. Howe seems destined to play down back and I'm a Grimes fan so do really see a spot yet for Frost. Roos appears big on creating a culture where you have to prove yourself and not be gifted games. Going in his favour is the usually tall make-up of the Gold Coast forward line.

I hate to do it but I must be serious for once. Today I had the pleasure of visiting two Islamic Indonesian families. One was an older couple who had their daughter , husband and three kids living with them The other were a younger couple with 3 kids who had developed an agricultural business from scratch . I visited them because I know a relative in Australia. Their hospitality was warm and generous. We discussed ( with some language limitations) a variety of topics. like us they aspire to a good life for themselves and a better one for their children. They practise their religion but were unconcerned by my lack of it. They were appalled by recent events in the world. I have Been to Indonesia a number of times and find this attitude to be typical. I just wish more people had the opportunity to see everyday Indonesian people in their own home

I think people forget how young Tom is. He's been scary good in some games and he's only entering his fifth year. He's bloody disciplined for his age, and shows fantastic leadership. Wouldn't be surprised to see him in the LG this year following the departure of Frawley.

My sources tell me that BBO may be doing a Kurtz some time soon. He is getting [censored] in the tropical lowlands so far as we all know but his real mission is to go up river to engage the tribes and who knows what from there as he goes into the "Heart of Darkness". Oh the horror! He is a long way from Romsey that is all I will say.

McDonald is a bit like Jones in that he has improved each year. He is fiercely competitive and a student of the game as shown by his study tour of U.S colleges during the off season. Obviously his decision making and disposal need further improvement but he is unlikely to finish his career and wonder if he could have tried harder. He is disciplined and I bet one of the first picked by the coaches each week. A fair chance also to make the leadership group this year And let's face it if he hadn't got injured Rd 1 against the Saints, Riewoldt wouldn't have had free reign and we would have won. He is still only 22 years old and with 60 games under his belt should be now entering some of the best football years of his life So yes I'm one of those happy show Tom some love

Frawley at his best is a great defender. He was also frustratingly lazy, and his pathetic defending cost us that Bulldogs game because he let an 18 year old find space metres from goal.

I rate him given his age and comparing him to players I watched closely playing WAFL after being drafted by Meth Coast Darren Glass & Eric Mckenzie they both looked very ordinary till they had around 4 years regular footy in the AFL it was when they reached 24/25 they started to become consistent good quality AFL defenders. Cale Hooker stepped up last season, Alex Rance has only started to show consistent form I think TMac is tracking well when compared with those. Talia is probably the one who has broke the mould of taking some time to adapt as a KPD

Lot of love for McDonald here. Apart from his running ability l find him bog ordinary.

The benchmark is the US NFL apparently. Even though the teams are privately owned by billionaires the NFL insists on equalisation policies hoping that every team can beat the other and there is a different Superbowl winner each year, so I am informed. What a far cry from our parochial league. The EPL inequity works because the players and supporters have so many other diversions, European cups, FA, League Cups, higher honours playing for your nation and in the World Cup and on and on. NRL has higher honours but AFL has nothing higher. So we do have a lot in common with the NFL, if only we could take on board some of their ideas for equalisation. Not sure how they do it but there is a draft and strict controls on free agency; I believe top teams can't rape bottom teams in FA but not sure how else they even things up.

Yep - I also felt this with both players. Reality is you don't want the wrong people around you when there is hard work to do. Both could play but neither would improve the team because their commitment was equivocal. If we paid overs to keep them, then the rest of the group suffers. Roos and co have made the best of their exits and probably engineered a win in the medium term.

Roos said the same thing about Frawley, wish him to stay, then tried to window dress him for a bargain sale as a multi positional possibility, and won a round one pick.

Who would you rather have; Sylvia or Vince? In three years time, I wonder who we will prefer; Frawley or Brayshaw?

I didn't take a lot of notice of that stuff from Clark - It's not that I don't care about issues like that but I tend to view sport in a different way. We've all got our own issues to deal with - Clark is no different. There's not much we can do with regards to a players personal issues and besides all that, how much do we really know about that side of things? I'd rather just judge him on his football - he was never that good in all reality. A half decent player in a really poor team. Being one of the better players of a very bad bunch (for a very short space of time) never impressed me. He might do well at the Cats but that's up to him. He didn't want to play for us and in the end, that's all that matters. We've now got players who do want to play for us and that's where my care factor lies. Jones re-signing & Lumumba wanting to come to us are 2 such examples of that.

Yeah I'm not as bullish on Frost as some are. GWS's asking price of pick 23 was very surprising.He didn't impress me much at GWS and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays a chunk of games for Casey, which could leave a hole for us in defence. If Frost makes it it may not be until 2016 or 17.

I just view all the players as people who are passing through the club - they either do well or they don't. The club is what is important ... to me, it's all about the team. The club is always bigger than any individual ... it pays not to get too attached to any individual person who is or has been associated with the club (unless they are great for the club for a good length of time) People like Warne-Smith, Norm Smith, Stynes, Barassi and Flower et al created their own special category - most others can only aspire to the greatness of people like that. Clark fell way short - I moved on the minute he left.

umm why do we have a thread on this lying sack of [censored]?

Win games. Regain competition respect.

I agree mate, once we finally do turn this around it is going to feel so sweet, most other clubs will have no idea (bar maybe st. Kilda). That's why the win against essendon this year was so bloody good, once it starts happening consistently it's gonna feel bloody great.

Rogers is key. With him in, you win easily, Dallas O line is not great. Without Rogers I think it's 55/45 Dallas way but Romo ain't 100% either

Jordie's double contribution to the winning goal against Essedon was outstanding, classy and possibly the most important of that brilliant passage. Maybe there is something there on the skill side. He's got this year to finally convince us on the back of a full pre-season.

I was actually at training this morning Just a few notes on the 3k time trial We had 10 players sub 10 minutes, with Tommy Mac first and Max King last, that being said King took 25secs of his time, said he had to Jimmy Toumpas was bitterly disappointed with his time, has had a bit of a cold and couldn't get the engine running smoothly Salem was around the 10 05 to 10 30 mark (trying to get the correct time was a battle, (bloody Arsenal supporter) Viney took 2 secs off and got a PB HL surprised me, he said he did ok for his first 3k, seems Collingwood only ever did 2k, he was around the Salem time McKenzie and Cross were both sub 10, so was Bail Jetta didn't front for training, so assume he is crook with his poor 3k They had another good hard session when they got back to Goschs, lots of ball work, Stafford did a lot of work with the ruck brigade which was all present, so that's a bonus there, Jamar, Gawn, Spencer, Fitzpatrick, King Hogan did the full session, has now got a mean looking haircut to go with the new beard, looks bloody fearsome Only Terlich and Watts really in rehab, they did a bit of kicking and marking with Spencer at the beginning, Watts forgot it was wet and took a beautiful tumble trying to mark, bounced straight up so would say the groin problems are over Any questions feel free

With out being there you would find that less that a minute would have covered the players mentioned. Some players are elite runners at 3km to get with in 1 minute of these guys doesn't mean you are less fitter than them it just means they have the capacity to run at a higher speed for the 3km. Lets face it a 3km time trial is to monitor your own progress not you against the team, I'm sure we will have a much fitter Tyson and Jetta and everybody else than we had last year.