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Clark could be the fittest injured player in the afl. Ran more laps than Steve moneghetti in his prime.

Great news. Hope they are not sister airline with Malaysia Airlines..........

Obviously tonights Footy Show will feature Paul Hogan appearing live in Salem Massachusetts to provide a insight into the perils of crowd induced hysteria and the unfortunate side effects of jumping to conclusions based on unfounded accusations. "I accuse Goody Schwab (or insert your preferred witch here)!"

Here we go. This is rhe real stuff. 34 violations. More than i thought.

Hope Kent has a day out. You'd like him to force out the Bails and the Byrnes of the forward line.

13 March 2014 - 30,000

Well I will be buttered on both sides after four years it has finally happened.PJ just made the announcement. Announced on Fox Footy

I lost a bit of confidence in his early return after hearing him.

Salem - played is first game at Casey at wing/half back - Training up forward getting some mentoring from Byrnes - Gaz will be down to give him his jumper on debut - Doesn't think he's as hairy as Gaz Hogan - Hopefully back round 2 or 3 but no guarantees - had a tight back before Geel game but after the game was too sore to train - has moved in with Dean Kent - Joked poor mrs Viney got sick of feeding them all but really the Vineys were doing renovations Overall nothing of much note. Both spoke well enough for young guys with limited media experience

On Waffle360 they are saying the HUN just reported that all 34 violations relate to Essendon and none to Cronulla... queue The Doors...

Gary was one of my all time faves. I went in the rooms and even got a footy signed by him as a kid.

At an AGM four years ago CS said it was a few weeks away. Longest few weeks in history Robbie. Does this mean we are playing games in China again? LV will be happy he does not have to go.

I am concerned re the being mentored by Byrnes comment...

Who needs TV or radio when u have Demonland. As an interstater its priceless. Thanks guys and gals for the updates.

Holy crap... Jesse Hogan smiled!!! It's gonna be ok people. It's gonna be ok.

I agree Maldon boy, the best CHB i have seen.........absoloute champ, who kept us in so many games. By the way i visited Maldon today....beautiful place.

He is still the best CHB I have seen. Call me biased but I don't care. I place him above Jakovich from WCE, Chris Mew, Leppitsch or anyone else. He played in the era of Hudson, Hart, McKenna, Wade and on most occasions came out on top or equal. Absolute gun. And he was seriously robbed of the 74 Brownlow. Keith Greig was a gun (very soft though) but he didn't play a Brownlow-winning season in 74 and he got 3 votes on the last round of the year and jumped past Hardeman.

The problem with the players getting off is that that means Essendon gets off. The only thing that can really hurt Essendon is relating to success on the field. Everything else is just money which they have a lot of. Rubbing out a dozen players hurts them seriously, fining them $10m is merely a question of mobilization of heir supporter base, and the tapping intron their considerable corporate and political networks.

What is this crap!? HOGAN is injured and SALEM hasn't even played a game but yet they're WASTING THERE tik tik tik on the TELE!?!? WTF111?

I'm waiting for some one to whine Hogan should be doing rehab instead of going on tv

Hope you don't live near me.

Fire away Hardtack!!!

Richard Ings(?) just tweeted: Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 15m Make no mistake this has Judge Downes all over it. Remember he is running this show now on the ASADA end. He will act on credible questions Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 17m Exclusive report by Danny Weidler. Dank complains his disclosure notice was leaked. By whom to whom? 2/3 Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 18m CH9 report that Dank has (finally) received a disclosure notice from ASADA to answer questions relating to "34 violations". 1/3

While we could share our good/bad experiences on all these airlines how about we show DL appreciation that China Southern has come on board and stick to positive comments about their sponsorship rather than airline services

Trouble is, especially when playing Collingwood, it seems to be always black & white. Seriously though, having some continuity of personnel (I was going to say consistency, but that word and umpiring are mutually exclusive) and a senior umpire at each game can surely do no harm....may even get the odd correct decision.

I worked with Gary for a few years. He was a trainee draftsman. He is 1 month and 23 days younger than my good self. We had a Chief Draftsman that was an insane Toiges supporter. (is there any other type) He said to Gary (lucky) as he was known to us. How do you find him to play against. Piece of p155 his reply. He doesn't have a right foot or handball so stand on his right side. That way he'll never get a kick or a handball. How right he was.

When interviewed on SEN, Greg Swan was confident Frawley would stay at Melbourne, when asked whether Carlton would chase him. Said that was the latest info that clubs had been receiving re: Chip.

You have my vote

I wasn't leaving the MFC. The point I was making is that a relationship with these companies can take a long time to start, but can last a long time. Could be great for the MFC. So probably some praise to CS and maybe more to PJ, but we don't know the details of how it evolved so we can't apportion credit.

Good news. Well done MFC . I suspect that Colonel Tom Parker may have helped get this deal done. He is also no doubt responsible for the China trip which saw Max Yawn on Scully. When that Irish gnome succeeds in destroying Qantas they could be our national carrier.

The two Airline regions with any real clout.. Middle East and China if not one, foolish to ignore the other

If we could swap China Southern for Etihad we would do very well.

might be back earlier than expected Young gun Hogan still a round one chance

For Curry's Sake

Take the money but not the free flights would be my advice.

Well done to the club for landing China Southern. I was told when they pulled out of negotiations in early April last year that Cameron Schwab and his team at the club put in almost two years of hard work only to miss out on getting them across the line. My guess is they baulked at signing on during the height of our woes at the start of last season but someone involved from our club persisted and with PJ's authority we succeeded in the end. Let's hope the team out on the ground matches that persistence.

Something Moonshadow has never experienced.

CS being China Southern? ;-)

To be fair about it, China Southern were approached when CS was CEO, he wasn't handling the mater but it was on his watch.

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I was told we were after China Southern at least 4 years ago and i thought it was a lost cause; well done.

I think I might (sort of qualify) on all of those grounds but: 1/ I look for my glasses around the house, and my wife finds them on my head. 2/ I almost always start sentences, but forget how they are supposed to end. 3/ I'm no longer grey, balding or horizontally challenged, but I probably was 10 or 15 years ago. 4/ & 5/ I think I just worked out where all the hair went! 6/ I wonder how young people can afford hearing aids. Mine cost a bloody fortune, and they are much smaller than the ones the youngsters use. 7. I feel the cold much more these days, but I've learned that a cup of hot coco and a hot water bottle work well for me. 8/ I get up three times a night to water the garden, but keep wondering why the shrubs two doors down the road are thriving while mine still struggle in parched earth. 9/ I still enjoy the taste of alcohol, but more to the point, I need my nightly brandy to help me sleep. 10/ I still put on the red and blue cardi for my Sunday morning walk to the paper shop, which closed 5 years ago Bring on the footy for Christ's sake!

I know you wouldn't approve of a 'wink wink' situation. But your approval or otherwise is not in question. The issue is that if the rules allow dishonest players to think they can avoid penalties by some scheme to shift the blame, then they will do it with or without the connivance of their club. And they will then force more honest players to follow them or come last. Net result, drugs rife in sport and young people risking their log-term health for immediate glory. I would agree with you that if players can prove conclusively that they were duped and that they had made a thorough and sincere effort to establish that what they were taking was legal, then penalties would be inappropriate. But this is difficult to establish without risking the deterrence effect. In any case, I think you are in a small minority if you think the Essendon players could conclusively prove that they were duped and that they had made a thorough and sincere effort to establish that what they were taking was legal. They might say they were duped, but there is no way they could claim the latter. Edit to add: The issue of 'should have suspected' in the tanking saga is totally different. I don't many of us didn't suspect we were tanking. We argued about the vagueness of what tanking was, or just thought the rules promoted doing it and others had done it without penalty etc.

The players were apparently told not too tell anyone because the program was their confidential advantage. I understand that may have scared then out of telling family or managers. But it doesn't excuse them not calling asada to check or googling the substance names on their own. The consent form they signed listed a number of illegal substances. They were duped into receiving illegal substances while insert the impression they were being given something else. They all knew what they were getting. They were negligent in not checking the rules themselves.

I have never played top level sport but i have competed in state level and to somewhat national competitions and have been tested on occasions and i was made well aware that i am responsible for whatever goes into my body. I think the players should have raised their concern about the program if they had any. The fact that they didn’t while it was going on shows how naive they were or how much the EFC lied to or pressured the players. A systematic program of injections that occurred in locations away from the club is different from a player who cops a bump and is given a pain relief injection in the clubrooms during the game. Sure they are both injections but they are worlds apart. One thing im sure of is the players knew they were about to be injected with a substance and agreed to it. I am certain that there wasn’t a medic running around the EFC secretly injecting the players without their consent or knowledge.

cant quite cop this. some people say the "if my doctor was meant to give a flu shot"blah blah. you are a professional sportsperson and somebody within your realm says they are going to give you 50 injections in the abdominal area,i find that remarkable. ive spoken to many people about this and a friend that works part time at an afl club. not one person has stated anything other than"wow 50 injections in the stomach". everybody has commented,unless you have some sort of disease you would want a second opinion on the 50 injections . jobe watson[so called great leader] is a 27 yo man,and didnt think 50 injections in the stomach warranted a private enquiry outside of the lab rats at bomberland. dont let the poor innocent blah blah krap get you sucked in. 50 injections fifty the big 50 innocent under 23 yo dumb,didnt pay attention footballers.i can offer some sympathy, and only some. but grown men ,please it wasnt meth ,heroin or some habitual drug thats a disease of habit. it was performance enhancing methods ,that werent questioned by GROWN men. and that includes,vitamin mcviegh. guilty on all counts. fokker out.

Had the fortune to meet him on several occasions while he was Coach of MFC. He was an absolutely terrific person, who cared very deeply about his players. From the little l saw they regarded him with real affection for his 'father-figure' role in attempting to 'grow them up' as young players and more importantly as men. He also seemed to have an excellent wry humour, which most of all showed that he did not take himself too seriously. He also seemed to understand the power of football in these (and other) young men's lives and the positive role it could play in society. He was a fine, humble and genuine man. A real loss to the footy community.

Regrettably, some posters have decided to turn this sad news into an occasion to make unnecessary political comment. These have been either deleted or censored; their subject matter is for another place and time. Please remember and respect the solemnity of the occasion - a man who worked hard for this club has lost his life at far too young an age.

Unfortunately you are correct, the positive is they provide six draft spots at the end of the year