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I've done some work in the orthopaedic surgery area and I can tell you Mitch didn't snap the tendon. It's torn and will be repaired by having two screws inserted to re-align the joint to it's correct position. Lisfranc has many connections to other joints of the foot through it's tendons, and this is where it can get messy. These need to heal properly to ensure no further pain. Also worth noting that Dr. Mark Blackney who operated on Mitch is absoloutely the cream of the crop in the orthopaedic, foot sector so we know Mitch is in the best of hands.

It's just closing a loop-hole so that all players are available to be nominated at each pick instead of going through the picks with each individual player. What it stops for example is if Stewart was the first player to be considered, we could commit pick 3 to him and if Collingwood didn't match that with their first rounder then our pick 3 would be committed, then when Viney came up next, GWS nominates him with pick 1 and we say we'll use our next available pick which is R2, pick 25 because we've already committed 3 on Stewart. In the new scenario both Stewart and Viney (and everyone else) are eligible to be picked by GWS at pick 1 so when GWS nominates Viney we have to use pick 3 on him. You can substitute Daniher for Viney in Essendon's case and their 1st rounder for ours - that's the example the article uses and is probably much more realistic because Stewart could be valued somewhere near Essendon's 1st pick. It prevents clubs with nominated F/S burning their 1st round pick on another club's F/S - it's analogous to stopping the old chestnut/furphy "let's trade our 1st rounder so we can get Viney in the 2nd round" (what's the bet someone suggests that in this thread btw?) It really is fairer - it's a good change.

Its rather a lot more simple than many are contriving . We simply are prepared to use 3. Most likely scenario is we have use 3. If we dont have to, beaudy !! Bargain Otherwise it will go as supposed. No ones about to help us. Any "deal" is bound to be a bit dodgy and liable to backfire . Viney IS worth 3. Hell we'll still have 4 12(?) and i think 23. Hardy a pittance !

There is nothing more certain than our club picking up Jack Viney and if fit he will play round 1 next year. Esentially we are getting Jack Viney for nothing thanks to the AFL over rating Tom Scully, the Bulldogs will be cursing Ward is and always will be a better player than Tom they get one first round pick we get 2. We will add 3 first round picks to our list this year be it kids or established players, from most accounts Jack would be drafted between 2-10 anyway. If we pay a lttle overs and that is all it will be a little we are still in front Jack is in the club now, the club has managed him through a pre-season program, they are managing his games played this year. He is essentially like Sam Blease and Jack Watts in there first year they were drafted(hopefully except the broken leg). The club doesn't bring a player into its training program for 12 months, spending time and resources on him not to draft him. Injuries permitting he will be a 250 AFL game player.

I guess we are willing to risk 'losing' Jack because we know that he'll request a trade home in 2 years. Of course there is no guarantee he'll be successful in returning to Melbourne, but you put that out there in your interview, and you watch clubs go off you. Nic Nat rings a bell? We'd be stupid not to do everything in our power to keep picks 3 & 4.

Jetta straight back in to the seniors is a pleasant surprise. No development league this week?

Nightmare scenario.I just opened another bottle of red!

LOL they're just playing mind-games with old dee - taking the pizz

I expect that Neeld will like Nev's workrate and hardness, and I hope he can stay fit, and put his hand up for senior selection over the next 4 to 6 weeks.

Must admit I have a huge soft spot for Nev Jetta, I think this guy can play but it has to be in the midfield or down back. I loved the story of the family moving to Melbourne when he was drafted, I feel sorry for him due to the constant injuries he has had. It is a few years back now but his game against Brisbane at Visy park was one of the most dominate game we have seen from any of our midfielders since, hard was great around the clearances. I hope he can get his body right for the next 10 weeks, fplay a couple of senior games, dominate finals for Casey and retain his spot on our list for a couple more years. This kid is all heart and deserves some luck.

Good for him. I rate Jetta and still think he can be a part of our regular 22 at the end of the year (if he can just avoid shattering into a thousand pieces by then).

The fact is that whatever happens, MFC may be the first club to have to genuninely over pay for a player (vs their real market value at draft time - and I do admit true market value is a bit of a joke considering the lottery aspect required in recruiting). This is why it is bollocks. If MFC have to over pay by one pick, the FS rule is not working. It is as simple as that. The FS rule was not concieved to make clubs pay a premium for continuing a family legacy / dynasty. It was there so that clubs could foster some sort of history and romance for supporters of yesteryear. I agree that a player who is the best in the country should not be able to go for a 2nd round pick (as was the case previously) but to make it a penalty to those clubs is sad. The only way its going to be ruined is if people dummy bid, which by all accounts there is a good chance of. I would suspect, if GWS and GC were completely legit, they would admit that they dont have a requirement for more midfielders as they have a plethora of them already. They would probably also admit that JV is somewhere around picks 3-8 which would mean they should not bid picks 1 or two for him. Thus MFC should get him with a second rounder. How ever you carve this up - its probably not right that we get him with a second rounder but on the same hand its not right we have to pay pick 3 for him if he is the 5th best player in the pool of talent.

I realise this is nitpicking, but just on the title of the Age's article: the AFL haven't really "overhauled" the bidding process, they've tweaked it slightly to add an extra layer of reasonability. Jeez I hate headlines designed to make people panic.

The paranoia and conspiracy theories bandied around here in regards to the AFL or the media are just ridiculous. For christ's sake, the change was minimal and will have no effect on whether we use a 1st or 2nd rounder on Viney.

Perhaps I have comprehension issues BH, but you definitely said "Boak is only 23 and played 100 games, so he's coming into his best years of footy." in the sentence immediately following those in which you had discussed Jones and Moloney, as if to use that (his age and games played) as a point of difference... my response was that Jones is only approximately 6 months older. Perhaps I'm not the only one with comprehension issues. What is it that makes you feel you need to jump on everyone who has a differing opinion to yourself and place yourself as some sort of expert on all matters AFL? Clearly the personal issues you have are far greater than any comprehension issues I may have.

What if Viney is the best player in the draft or the second best? What will you say then? Watch Viney tomorrow and tell me why he isn't worthy of said title.

BH, your arrogance is tiring, and totally unjustified. Cameron Mooney kicked 40+ a season on a number of occasions, I personally don't believe he's a match winner. Here you go again, setting bizarre benchmarks to prove your point (40+ goals a year to be a match winner, win the Rising Star award to be a star, next thing you will be doing is using super coach points to prove how crap a player is). For the price we would have to pay for Cloke, I think we would be better investing that in to our midfield (Boak), given we have Clark who is more than capable of kicking 40+ a year (which elevates him to match winning status according to your criteria), and we also have Cook/Watts/Fitzpatrick/Martin who can play the 2nd tall forward role. I've done the 2 x tall forward thing to death, but what I will say is that those teams you mentioned, as well as the other premiers of recent time that you didn't, all have one thing in common - they had/have a topline midfield. Geelong has won 3 flags in 5 years, not once would I say their forward line (in particular their 2 talls) is of high quality, and with a match winner in it (Stevie J is a match winner, not Mooney/Hawkins/Pods/Nath Ablett). Would the Lions have 3 flags in a row if you left Brown and Lynch/Bradshaw there but took out Voss, Aker, Lappin, Black and Power? Hope you can control your laughter after reading this post, as you will no doubt find it lacking understanding how football is played according to you. One thing BH, I don't understand why you pick people up on their interpretation/definition of something. My opinion of what a match winner is is obviously different to yours. If you have Cloke as a match winner, then I think you are loose with your definition. FWIW, Pendles and Swan are match winners at Collingwood, that is all. It's like what/who you call a star, compared to what someone else does. I don't give a sh!t if you see football differently - how I see the game is pretty bloody accurate if you ask me. But remember one thing, there is no book to say how you see it is "it" and we all should do the same. Your posts would be so much more interesting if you would understand that what you are giving us is your opinion and not "how it is". But, I don't expect you to change, just as I won't. Laugh away.

I want Mitch Clark to get back to playing and leading the forward line. I want the beginning of a core of 8-10 "A" and "B" Grade midfielders who can take it up to the juggernauts of the AFL. That would mean: Jones keeping on keeping on Trengove getting better Grimes building his midfield role Gysberts playing AFL consistently Howe working as a midfielder Midfielder X (the one we trade for, like Boak or Beams or whoever) Viney as a recruit Draft pick #4 (as good as Viney) Maybe any others in the mix: Blease, Nicholson, Magner, Sylvia, Tynan, Taggert, Couch etc. That is all.

Jack viney is worth whatever we pay pick 3 or 23 we still get the 3rd best player with the scully compo. Toumpas and viney to the MFC along with Boak(13) = A+ midfield Jamar,Jones,Viney,Boak,Toumpas,Trengrove Cheer up guys.

Agree pick 12 not 4. I know our recruiting has been poor to say the least but if you throw a crap load of darts at a dartboard eventually you will hit the bullseye. (I hope)

Pick 12 for Boak

Mitch Clark good to go.

You're lucky, when I was a 6y.o., the only forum I could exercise any right on was the Roman forum.

There seems to be a few threads going around with a lot of them turning into people giving input into what there end of year wish list is so i figure why not make a thread dedicated to it. If as expected we finish 16th, we will end up with draft picks 3, 4, 12 and a mid 20s pick. With those picks on hand, free agency, 17yr old draft and players to trade I wanted to see the best scenarios people could suggest for an all-round good package which is realistic and could fulfil the teams needs. Personally I think we should go for Cloke and pay the coin for him. He is a free agent so we will not need to give Collingwood anything. I also think Boak would fit in nicely, though due to Cloke our coin will be restricted so I will count him out (unless we can't get Cloke) My money is that GWS and GC will not take the risk which will benefit all other teams, especially the ones with picks directly after ours. (This is a wish-list so I am being positive on this one) After reading about the 17yr olds, I think they will be more valuable then people give credit for, remember these are the touted picks 1 and 2 of the 2013 draft, not just that but they will get an extra year of senior development before they begin playing which I think makes them more valuable then a standard pick 1 or 2. Also they say next years draft should almost be as strong as this years. Overall my wish-list package would be Cloke Hogan 17 yr old - (Pick 3 traded to GWS) Stringer (pick 4) Wines/Simpson (Pick 12) Viney (2nd rounder)

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The AFL is worried about poaching because they know established clubs will attempt to raid GWS and the Suns.

Whoops ... no wonder it looked longer than I'd thought. Not actually from 'Ology ... do they have trouble with the 'paste' button there as well?

Hmmm..let me crystal ball gaze for a moment... ahh...the mysts clear...Melbourne takes Jack Viney with pick 3.. All has been revealed !!

Pick 3 Toumpas Pick 4 Stringer Pick 13 port Adelaide Boak to MFC Pick 23 SOG Jack viney This is how i see it playing out with GWS just not willing to risk the viney bid. Cloke will end up at the bulldogs.

Lawrence is a rookie. He has been on our rookie list for 18 months and is runing around in the Casey reserves. Some rookies make it, some turn out to be stars, most of them never play a senior game which is where Kel is at. We have given him an opportunity without him over-staying his welcome. It didn't work. Next.

Bate had 28 touches, couch had 6 in the VFL, quality thinking

Although I think Anderson's comments are ridiculous and wanting to have their cake and eat it too, to be fair FA was basically forced on the AFL by the AFLPA. The AFL pushed back against this for years.

I cannot agree with that...

Jack Viney says hello.

Even if we got those players without Cloke I'd be very happy.

Stringer everyday of the week.

I'll say it again, if JV were not the son of a former player, and we passed him up at pick 3, we'd forever be bemoaning the decision to not select a player who typifies exactly what we need. If you thought the Darling decision was bad... most supporters would spend the next decade calling for TV's head if he were still at the club following the decision.

Forget you said it? Hard to forget one of the stupidest things I've read on here.

yep - jack's back and jumping out of his skin to play: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/melbourne-bound-jack-viney-ready-to-rock-for-vic-metro/story-e6frf9jf-1226410247193

With the emergence of Tom McDonald, and the excellent form of Mitch Clarke and Jeremy Howe this year,next season should see some rapid improvement. With the likes of Jurrah and Gawn returning from injury, and the addition of Jack Viney. We also have 3 excellent picks to trade for another experienced body or some more good young talent. Just have to continue to play with intensity and spirit for the remainder of this year, it looks pretty good, after all the doom and gloom earlier on this year. Keep it up boys!

Misson said during the injury updates that Viney most likely will play on Friday.

He's a dud. Drafted as a KPF 4 years ago and is now playing in the backline. We missed Natainui, missed Hurley. He doesn't impact contests, shirks the contested ball.. yadda, yadda... Get Cameron. yadda, yadda... I can't believe this is turning into a positive Watts thread.

Haha, good luck.....I tried once and he went all coy about it probably the last team he played for - Ringwood Primary FC

And he has got 'daddy issues' with him being controlled by his old man. Massive cross to bear...

Nah, to big a go home factor with Jesus

A very valid point and the only reason that Martin might get a gig. In terms of structure, Martin fills the role better than Cook and in all likelihood will play against the Lions. Forward entries can be directed to Garland/Rivers instead of Martin, of course, although neither is Clark. And we all know the importance Neeld gives to structure in his teams. However, I don't see a long-term future for Stef Martin at the MFC. He is too limited by foot to play key forward, plays slightly too short to be a genuine ruck and we have a surfeit of key defenders who make better decisions. The sub rule has removed the need for a second ruck on the bench, which is a real pity for him. Clark's arrival has removed the need for a 'Leigh Brown type', which would have been perfect in the long term. Clark's absence will probably be why Martin plays a good chunk of the rest of 2012. But in the long run, I'd prefer to see us fielding either genuine long-term prospects or proven players of quality, rather than NQR types who are still battling to learn the game after five years in the system.

I remember watching and thinking the same thing. His skills are fantastic.

I don't know what all the fuss is about on Boak? A good solid player but nothing special. Doesn't kick a lot of goals or lay a lot of tackles. He can find the ball but again his averages are not huge and haven't gone up from 3 or 4 years ago. Going on his stats he seems to have peaked.

Watts' kick to bate on the wing in the second. At the time I thought it was a great kick, even though bate didn't take the mark.... On the replay I saw it was with his left.... Sexy stuff

I watched the replay last night and made a point of watching Watts. He is very confident down back, much more than i have seen him previously. In the last quarter he brought the backs together and almost seemed to be giving instructions about where to go and to keep shape etc. In a post match interview he said that people were saying he was a loose man but that was wrong and always has a man. I noticed this during the match, he often played well off his man when the ball was say in dispute on the wing or midfield and if it came back towards their goal was prepared to run to the space where it was coming or cover his man if that was more of a threat. Very impressive confidence and reading of the ball and was never caught out. His disposal wasn't as good this week as it has been (only 70% efficiency) but he reads the play really well. he seesm also to have permission to set up on the wing at bounces, which he did a few times He also went to the contest when he it was his turn but when it wasn't he sat of it and on few occasions ended up with the spillage and got it out with quick hands. I doubt Neeld will risk stopping his momentum at the moment but swinging him up forward in bursts, say swapping with rivers or Garland for 10 minutes, and he could be lethal