7 hours ago, Redbeard said:

When I click on the thumbnail all I get is the photo

I clicked the thumbnail. Where's the video?

On 02/06/2025 at 21:51, dazzledavey36 said:

In this video Matthew Lloyd (who kicked 926 goals in his career as an AFL footballer) is directly asked whether he would coach set-shot goal-kicking at Melbourne. He actually seems quite frustrated with Melbourne's inability to kick accurately from set shots in front of goal.

He responds to the questions of whether he would coach Melbourne at set-shot goal kicking accuracy, by recalling the year he coached Joe Daniher when he was at the Bombers, to help him with set-shot accuracy, he remembers that players and staff would ignore him when he walked into the club due to things that he had said. Sounds like he was badly burnt by his old club whilst trying to help them...He doesn't go any further with his response. Watch the video...

Lloyd's response implies that if Melbourne were to welcome him into the club and treat him with dignity, not ignore him like players and staff from his old club Essendon did when he was coaching Joe Daniher, and instead embrace him for his knowledge and guidance on set-shot gol kicking (which he is an expert!), the Dees might just have a coach on their team that WILL help with goal kicking accuracy.

Goody's links with the Bombers might just get this over the line.

I think that Matthew Lloyd (926 AFL goals) would be an excellent coach for set-shot goal kicking at Melbourne and strongly advocate for this to happen.

...or get David Neitz back as goal kicking coach for the Dees. Neitz kicked 631 AFL goals - the most by a Melbourne player - EVER - I'd take him as goal kicking coach for Melbourne in a heart beat. Is Neita available?

Watch the video and let me know what you think...

Edited June 7Jun 7 by Lou C. Fur

36 minutes ago, Lou C. Fur said:

In this video Matthew Lloyd (who kicked 926 goals in his career as an AFL footballer) is directly asked whether he would coach set-shot goal-kicking at Melbourne. He actually seems quite frustrated with Melbourne's inability to kick accurately from set shots in front of goal.

He responds to the questions of whether he would coach Melbourne at set-shot goal kicking accuracy, by recalling the year he coached Joe Daniher when he was at the Bombers, to help him with set-shot accuracy, he remembers that players and staff would ignore him when he walked into the club due to things that he had said. Sounds like he was badly burnt by his old club whilst trying to help them...He doesn't go any further with his response. Watch the video...

Lloyd's response implies that if Melbourne were to welcome him into the club and treat him with dignity, not ignore him like players and staff from his old club Essendon did when he was coaching Joe Daniher, and instead embrace him for his knowledge and guidance on set-shot gol kicking (which he is an expert!), the Dees might just have a coach on their team that WILL help with goal kicking accuracy.

Goody's links with the Bombers might just get this over the line.

I think that Matthew Lloyd (926 AFL goals) would be an excellent coach for set-shot goal kicking at Melbourne and strongly advocate for this to happen.

...or get David Neitz back as goal kicking coach for the Dees. Neitz kicked 631 AFL goals - the most by a Melbourne player - EVER - I'd take him as goal kicking coach for Melbourne in a heart beat. Is Neita available?

Watch the video and let me know what you think...

Agree 100% with you mate. I'd happily have Lloyd down at the club in a part time capacity.

Apologies all. Here is the video.

Well I sincerely hope that the special focus on goal kicking this week didn't include the Casey players who triumphed with 7 G 15 B tonight.

7 hours ago, Lou C. Fur said:

In this video Matthew Lloyd (who kicked 926 goals in his career as an AFL footballer) is directly asked whether he would coach set-shot goal-kicking at Melbourne. He actually seems quite frustrated with Melbourne's inability to kick accurately from set shots in front of goal.

He responds to the questions of whether he would coach Melbourne at set-shot goal kicking accuracy, by recalling the year he coached Joe Daniher when he was at the Bombers, to help him with set-shot accuracy, he remembers that players and staff would ignore him when he walked into the club due to things that he had said. Sounds like he was badly burnt by his old club whilst trying to help them...He doesn't go any further with his response. Watch the video...

Lloyd's response implies that if Melbourne were to welcome him into the club and treat him with dignity, not ignore him like players and staff from his old club Essendon did when he was coaching Joe Daniher, and instead embrace him for his knowledge and guidance on set-shot gol kicking (which he is an expert!), the Dees might just have a coach on their team that WILL help with goal kicking accuracy.

Goody's links with the Bombers might just get this over the line.

I think that Matthew Lloyd (926 AFL goals) would be an excellent coach for set-shot goal kicking at Melbourne and strongly advocate for this to happen.

...or get David Neitz back as goal kicking coach for the Dees. Neitz kicked 631 AFL goals - the most by a Melbourne player - EVER - I'd take him as goal kicking coach for Melbourne in a heart beat. Is Neita available?

Watch the video and let me know what you think...

I'll gladly have Lloyd at the club in a goal kicking capacity, but I firmly believe that this is more between the ears than technique and ability. There are some that maybe don't have great technique, but then there are others (Melksham, Fritta) who have great technique but are missing relatively easy shots. When someone takes a mark inside 50 they all seem to look petrified, they're already picturing them missing it.

There needs to be a hypnotist of sports phycologist who can get inside their minds and change this. It's the total opposite of clutch, they've failed before they've even kicked it.

On 04/06/2025 at 16:40, Robbie57 said:

Jonny Wilkinson, the English Rugby great had a very particular routine and was known to have spent endless hours on his goal kicking after practice. The result he never missed. This just killed the wallabies single handed on many occasions including a world cup final with a pressure drop kick to win. Jonny Wilkinson's overall career kicking success rate (conversions and penalties) was 86.2% and at his club level it was in the 90's. It was no accident, simply the result of technique and practice.

his technique

"Wilkinson finishes a session with a series of six kicks, but they all have to be perfect. If one of them misses, he starts again. He will not leave the pitch until he has sent six in a row whistling between the posts. That means stretching a session from two to three hours and sometimes beyond."

its all in the hands

No magic to becoming the best in the world......

Exactly what I have been saying for ages. Oh and by the way Ange Postecoglou can come and supervise our soccer training and won't cost much!

Edited June 7Jun 7 by picket fence

Travis Cloke improved his goal kicking by training, training and training - working on ball drop, routine and added simulated crowd noise - using headphones. He worked with sport psychologists and became a better gial kicker.

Cloke feeling the noise - https://www.afl.com.au/news/112202

There are many aspects to set shot routine - head space, heart rate, fatigue, routine, ball drop and kicking action. Perceived pressure and external noise from crowd wind direction. It really is an artform - to get right more often than not requires practice practice and more practice in all areas of the f50 in all conditions, simulating all of the above factors.

I would welcome any of the greats to come down and help work with the guys who take shots. If that's Lloyd, Neitz that's great but others likecloke, matty Richardson who worked hard on the art wold offer serious value as well

On 04/06/2025 at 11:07, poita said:

Anyone who doesn't think that goal kicking is a skill that can be improved over time needs to look at Russell Robertson's progression across his career.

His career goal kicking accuracy was 50% early on, lifting slightly to 55% by 2004, although his kicking was pretty poor that last year.

He worked his backside off in the 2005 pre season to improve his technique, and kicked 73.30 that year (71%). He went at above 60% for the remainder of his career as well.

There is really no excuse for current players to not be able identify and fix their issues (technical, mental or otherwise) with all the resources at their disposal.

Robertson miraculously curing his technique to become a dead-eye for the rest of his career is one of the great Demon fan myths.

His 73.30 in 2005 is a complete outlier on his stat sheet. The three years subsequently were 44.28, 42.28 and 20.13. The three years prior were 32.28, 41.29 and 30.29.

Robertson had one outstanding year with freakish accuracy, but other than that, was consistently in the 50-60 range for accuracy, before and after 2005. His 2006-2009 score was 135.100 at an accuracy of 57% - so please don’t lie by saying he was over 60% for the remainder. He was not, he was well and truly back in the territory he was in before his one big year.

If anything, Robertson is actually a really good example of how you can’t sustainably improve goal kicking over the duration of a career, even if you make it your absolute focus, which Robertson did.

On 06/06/2025 at 21:59, titan_uranus said:

If you want a great example of a good side doing exactly what we did last week, watch that last quarter of Adelaide v Brisbane again.

Adelaide nailed some good shots (5 goals from about 8 inside 50s), but they also had a pressure rating of 248(!). Brisbane, all of a sudden under extreme pressure, spent 15 minutes repeatedly bombing it inside 50, repeatedly taking low percentage shots (snaps in the wet from 40m out), and repeatedly botching their shots on goal (Bailey at least twice, Robertson twice, Lohmanm twice, even Neale).

Must admit that Brisbane‘s last quarter reminder me of us last week. Also Casey last night did the same thing.

As soon as there is any pressure – whether that’s in the first quarter or the last, players tend to try to all win it themselves, and regress to taking low percentage shots on goal.

Several times last night Casey players ran to the front of the square only to have the ball bombed over the top of them.

Midfielders and forwards need to be made to kick it there. It’s much harder to miss from in front of the square.

Occasionally we would have training where I would not let the players go in until they hit the post. Probably illegal now.

Poor entries and shots at goal kill us once again.

Killed us again…..

Insane inside 50’s and stupidity like the Fritsch play on were the issues not set shots.

Going nowhere until we find some mids who pick out targets and give them a fighting chance to mark. Which also includes more forwards who actually do provide options.

Goal kicking just a symptom of a bigger disease

So happy that they focused on goalkingi this week

Really showed and again cost us a game.

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Insane inside 50’s and stupidity like the Fritsch play on were the issues not set shots.

Going nowhere until we find some mids who pick out targets and give them a fighting chance to mark. Which also includes more forwards who actually do provide options.

Goal kicking just a symptom of a bigger disease

Yes but our forwards could actually move to create space and options as well. Movement is critical as it creates space and uncertainty. Watching Collingwood's forwards today they did this well, constant movement, doubling back, U-turns/j-leads etc

Ours are flat footed or wanting the ball kicked out the back so they can work their opponent under the ball. Makes it so easy to defend especially for the 3rd man up. As a forward you should be demanding the ball is kicked to you on a lead. It is a combination, our mids need to be more composed but our forwards need to give them better options. And ultimately this comes down to coaching.

Still a priority. Lloyd would be welcome.

I find it incomprehensible this remains unresolved over the last 3 years (going back to 2023 - our kicking cost us a game in the prelim).

And that’s three losses this year

any chance our mids could kick the ball to our forwards advantage

So it looks like out putrid performance in goal Kicking has no father, so to speak.

We hear from the HC they keep working on that, but nothing changes.

Surely someone's position in the FD of Coaching staff should be shaky?

Whose fault is this?

It's the result of drafting and trading for players who are competitors and/or runners. It's honestly as simple as that. Composure, decision making and kicking have never been the number 1 priority since the 'Melbourne player' tag-line was introduced. When you have that many players on your list who all share the same weakness, this is the result. Kicking yourself out of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If we don't want to be left behind in a big way, Goody simply has to make some difficult but necessary calls on moving some senior players on in the off-season.

Oliver, Viney, Trac, Rivers. Their inability to execute skills at important times is unbelievably bad. Oliver was just wild today when he got the ball. No care. Viney, same story. Trac, same story. Rivers lacks serious composure too.

We need to make some hard calls at the end of the year, Oliver needs to go. I'd be willing to let Fritsch go and I hope May retires so Petty never plays forward again. Plus I think May is just not a great team mate.

Hard calls. Make them Simon.

Any chance someone at the club could explain to Max that he ALWAYS kicks to the left when shooting for goal ? No point playing him forward till he understands this basic principle. Don’t worry about trying to kick straight - aim to the right of desired flight path and all else will take care of itself!

Does my head in, everyone knows what is going to happen when he lines up except for Max - doing the same thing over and over and expecting the result to be different , we all know what that is.

25 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

It's the result of drafting and trading for players who are competitors and/or runners. It's honestly as simple as that. Composure, decision making and kicking have never been the number 1 priority since the 'Melbourne player' tag-line was introduced. When you have that many players on your list who all share the same weakness, this is the result. Kicking yourself out of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If we don't want to be left behind in a big way, Goody simply has to make some difficult but necessary calls on moving some senior players on in the off-season.

Oliver, Viney, Trac, Rivers. Their inability to execute skills at important times is unbelievably bad. Oliver was just wild today when he got the ball. No care. Viney, same story. Trac, same story. Rivers lacks serious composure too.

We need to make some hard calls at the end of the year, Oliver needs to go. I'd be willing to let Fritsch go and I hope May retires so Petty never plays forward again. Plus I think May is just not a great team mate.

Hard calls. Make them Simon.

Can’t disagree. That was schoolboy stuff today. In the end though if we kick straight in the third we probably win that.

14 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Any chance someone at the club could explain to Max that he ALWAYS kicks to the left when shooting for goal ? No point playing him forward till he understands this basic principle. Don’t worry about trying to kick straight - aim to the right of desired flight path and all else will take care of itself!

Does my head in, everyone knows what is going to happen when he lines up except for Max - doing the same thing over and over and expecting the result to be different , we all know what that is.

Yeah pretty simple lost us a game against Cats a few years back and been the same ever since. Love Gawny but it unforgivable for a professional.

I don't even want to talk about it anymore. There's nothing we can do to help but they do need some help. And a regular psychologist isn't going to be near enough, they need to go to Vienna or something and get a team of the best psychiatrists watching these guys round the clock. How they sleep, how they eat, how they put one foot in front of the other. WE NEED A TEAM.

The misses aren't even close, they stink to high heaven. Has Max Gawn ever pushed a miss to the right in his life? Seriously, if he just went right peg every time he'd be Tony Lockett.

Tom Sparrow, the worst way to miss a snap from 3 metres out is short. I'd much prefer they go across the face. No-one watches Simon Eishold videos for practice.