The Draft Pick Upgrade Thread

[Roost it far 7,726]

29 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'd say a betting person would say our future first will be between 6 and 14 so trading for pick 13 is not a great trade

Get the players in now when you know it’s a strong, deep draft

[Diamond_Jim 12,393]

7 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Get the players in now when you know it’s a strong, deep draft

Tasmania aren't in  the draft next year or the following year.

These draft years are premium for the future of the club.

We have a questionable forward line along with queries over our midfield. An injury to Gawn of over four weeks costs us 3-4 ladder places.

Saying we will finish 5th or above in 2025 is a big punt

From what I've read this is an even draft which does not make it deep from a future quality viewpoint

Edited Saturday at 04:31 by Diamond_Jim

[Ted Lasso 18,914]

North are very open to sliding back so my proposition would be 

2 and 22 for our 5 and future first. 

Assuming we make the 8 next year we could guess that would make it something like 5 and 13 for 2 and 22 which feels reasonably fair in general. 

[58er 6,090]

6 hours ago, mo64 said:

It really worked out well for us last year, lol.

We traded picks 14, 27 and 35 to get pick 11. Don't get me wrong, I like Tholstrup, but we could have got Darcy Wilson, Logan Morris, Shaun Mannagh, Lawson Humphries or Sam Clohessy with later picks. Instead we topped up our list with recycled hacks after re-signing Schache.

I have no faith in our list management.

 

You have picked out ONE case and ONE season does not determine a flop win or loss. 

[58er 6,090]

15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Tasmania aren't in  the draft next year or the following year.

These draft years are premium for the future of the club.

We have a questionable forward line along with queries over our midfield. An injury to Gawn of over four weeks costs us 3-4 ladder places.

Saying we will finish 5th or above in 2025 is a big punt

From what I've read this is an even draft which does not make it deep from a future quality viewpoint

Wrong this draft is consider DEEP that means plenty of depth with quality choices for first second and into third round. Mids and later on key position players of quality are prevalent this year. 

[Demon Disciple 11,823]

37 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Get the players in now when you know it’s a strong, deep draft

Agreed. It’s not about what tomorrows value might be, it’s about what you can bring in today.

[spirit of norm smith 15,538]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'd say a betting person would say our future first will be between 6 and 14 so trading for pick 13 is not a great trade

Agree. It’s super risky. It’s banking on the rebound.  It’s backing yourself.  Maybe they think getting a player “this year” allows extra development and the strength of this years top 15 is very good.  Of course it depends on whether the pick availability and whether we can outbid others.  

[Mach5 4,722]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'd say a betting person would say our future first will be between 6 and 14 so trading for pick 13 is not a great trade

It clearly is if we think this year’s crop is much better than next year’s.

If you’re purely looking at the numbers, then yeah, you’re right.

[58er 6,090]

18 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. It’s super risky. It’s banking on the rebound.  It’s backing yourself.  Maybe they think getting a player “this year” allows extra development and the strength of this years top 15 is very good.  Of course it depends on whether the pick availability and whether we can outbid others.  

What ai would say is that I don’t want 5 already we have and say the 13 on offer to get say No2 and only one player from that trade.

With the draft depth a 5 and 13 is very good prospects for two high quality mids or a mid plus a high quality key position player like Armstrong or Faull depending upon other trade choices of other Clubs. 

[BAMF 4,189]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

It clearly is if we think this year’s crop is much better than next year’s.

If you’re purely looking at the numbers, then yeah, you’re right.

We also need to consider the benefit of bringing in a player a year earlier and having them in our system developing for 12 months.

If we believe our window is open now then sooner would be better than later. Especially if we are considering a tall like Tauru or Armstrong.

What's more value, pick 13 this year with 12 months development, or pick 6 next year?

I would be very hesitant to trade next year's first as it could very well be a top 5 pick.

[adonski 11,059]

Looks like the Nibbler trade is pretty much locked in according to Cal Twomey

Crows have landed Isaac Cumming and remain on track to secure Alex Neal-Bullen as early as Monday using their second draft pick (now No.28).

[KozzyCan 597]

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

North are very open to sliding back so my proposition would be 

2 and 22 for our 5 and future first. 

Assuming we make the 8 next year we could guess that would make it something like 5 and 13 for 2 and 22 which feels reasonably fair in general. 

Isn't the top 5-10 a bit of a raffle in this draft? I don't see the value in moving up a couple of spots.

[John Demonic 5,617]

49 minutes ago, adonski said:

Looks like the Nibbler trade is pretty much locked in according to Cal Twomey

Crows have landed Isaac Cumming and remain on track to secure Alex Neal-Bullen as early as Monday using their second draft pick (now No.28).

Sheesh it will be 35 by the time we use it

[old55 23,051]

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

Sheesh it will be 35 by the time we use it

The FA compensation picks have pushed it back but it doesn't really matter how much further back the Academy and F/S selections push it because those plyers aren't really available anyway. It will still be 28th pick in the available draft.

[titan_uranus 24,912]

9 hours ago, old55 said:

The FA compensation picks have pushed it back but it doesn't really matter how much further back the Academy and F/S selections push it because those plyers aren't really available anyway. It will still be 28th pick in the available draft.

It’s been genuinely pushed back though by the Battle, Perryman and Cumming compo picks though. More FAs might mean more compo pushes it back further. 

[old55 23,051]

9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

It’s been genuinely pushed back though by the Battle, Perryman and Cumming compo picks though. More FAs might mean more compo pushes it back further. 

I said that - you know, the part where it reads "pushed it back ..."

Who are these "more FAs" who are going to command Band 1 or 2 compo and push it back further?

Edited Saturday at 22:13 by old55

[The Jackson FIX 2,875]

18 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

North are very open to sliding back so my proposition would be 

2 and 22 for our 5 and future first. 

Assuming we make the 8 next year we could guess that would make it something like 5 and 13 for 2 and 22 which feels reasonably fair in general. 

They might consider this if JT was excited about a player he thinks wouldn’t slide to pick 5, however…

Appears the play this draft is volume of picks in the first 1-2 rounds as opposed to improving on our pick 5

[The heart beats true 17,915]

ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

[KozzyCan 597]

26 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

If ANB was OOC we would not be getting first round compo for him. Compo is based on money and KPP's go at a premium.

[buck_nekkid 5,831]

Trade future first into this year, plus extra points for next year f/s white and nga talent due through for us

[DubDee 24,766]

On 05/10/2024 at 08:48, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Unless GC have high confidence in us bombing in 2025 then it feels like other clubs with interest are ahead of us with what they can offer. 

By bombing do you mean playing like we did this year?

Most clubs would have us bottom 6 i’d reckon

[DubDee 24,766]

20 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'd say a betting person would say our future first will be between 6 and 14 so trading for pick 13 is not a great trade

I really think we are overestimating what we will do next year

The betting agencies have us as 5th last for next year. Not one expert will pick us to make the finals. Clubs would view our F1 as between pick 4-9 i would would guess

[The Jackson FIX 2,875]

53 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

ANB for 28 is an absolute steal if Battle if worth pick 8. Both finished 3rd in their respective BnF’s. The only difference is one of them has a contract - and somehow he’s the one less valuable.

Something wrong with the system if that’s the case.

Battle is a few years younger and is ‘rarer’ in terms of the position he plays.  Stk looked after a bit with the compo, yes, but the contrast to what we’ll get for Nibbler isn’t outrageous 

[whatwhat say what 22,315]

2 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Battle is a few years younger and is ‘rarer’ in terms of the position he plays.  Stk looked after a bit with the compo, yes, but the contrast to what we’ll get for Nibbler isn’t outrageous 

i don't think they were 'looked after' any more than what we were when frawley left

arguably, battle's contract is probably bigger than chip's was, and he was younger when he left his first team

gonna be interesting to see how dingley re-tools their defence with battle and barras likely to come in to it

[Deemania since 56 6,571]

On 05/10/2024 at 07:52, mo64 said:

It really worked out well for us last year, lol.

We traded picks 14, 27 and 35 to get pick 11. Don't get me wrong, I like Tholstrup, but we could have got Darcy Wilson, Logan Morris, Shaun Mannagh, Lawson Humphries or Sam Clohessy with later picks. Instead we topped up our list with recycled hacks after re-signing Schache.

I have no faith in our list management.

 

Improved coaching and player development initiatives (combined) must be called upon to better those who we pick up within our 'allocated' priorities- and those that we take specifically for 'development' down the track.