For those calling for wholesale changes and sackings - it often doesn’t make for a quick fix. Also only works if the new people are better - hard to know and limited by suitably qualified, experienced and available personnel.

There is a difference between rage induced scapegoating and sensible, well planned governance.

Is this the opportunity for the club to reset the list for another crack at the flag.

I don't think we can win another flag with our current midfield, we need a better balance with contested bulls to silk ball users.  We also have an aging ruck with no support.

Trac is our best player, has the most trade currency, love him at the dees but we can win from moving him on.

Get Tom De koning and Carlton first round pick this year, they don't want it they just need points for FS selection. Add in our 2nd round to get a future first as well.  Get stuck into Gold Coast, freo trade future 1st for one of their 2024 first round picks.

Take 3 first round picks to the draft and try to get 3 quality players plus De Koning.  We have a good base of youngsters and some experience heads that should be around for 3 odd years.  

We can rebuild quickly, but we might need to lose a favourite ti make this happen

18 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

I agree with most of your points, but I have a few comments. He is currently receiving counseling or seeing a psychologist, which may indicate that he isn't in the right frame of mind at the moment.

Finding middle ground is really up to him. If the leaks continue, it leaves the club with limited options. So far, without any change on his part, he hasn't given the club much room to maneuver. Actions reflect one's values and ethics, and if he or his management continue on this path, it’s clear he’s not aligned with the team-first values and isn't invested in outcomes that benefit everyone at the MFC. As I mentioned, it doesn’t leave the club with much choice. In a team sport, when a player behaves this way, the usual response is to move them on for the best possible return unless they change.

As a Manchester United supporter, I've seen this repeatedly under Ferguson; no player is bigger than the club, and there's always a way to turn the situation around for the club's benefit. The club should be proactive in managing this issue and should start treating him as a commodity if that's the approach he’s taking—focusing on playing in front of big crowds, enhancing his brand, and so on. It seems clear to me that these are his priorities, with his medical concerns possibly being secondary. He may have grievances with the club, but without knowing the specifics, I can't comment further. Ideally, the club should address and work to improve these issues, but I understand it’s not that simple.

I don't think it’s too early to make these assessments—he's shown his hand through his actions and behaviors. While reconciliation might still be possible, my primary concern is the club’s long-term well-being. Like you, I wish him the best with his health, but my priority remains the club.

Any advise on how ManU keeps players in Manchester? How they don't become home sick or look for a better place to live? 😅

1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Any advise on how ManU keeps players in Manchester? How they don't become home sick or look for a better place to live? 😅

From what I read lots of zero's every week in the bank. 

27 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

What about her?

In times of crisis she should be on the phone!

why? We can’t have everyone on the phone to him. If others are then it’s fine 

4 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Any advise on how ManU keeps players in Manchester? How they don't become home sick or look for a better place to live? 😅

The previous era was based on success and good structure, then Post Fergie/Glazer era they stayed because they were ludicrously overpaid. Unfortunately this doesn't work in a salary cap competition. 

The weather has deterred some stars in the past though, especially when sunny Spain is an option.

47 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

I'm sorry but what was Roffey supposed to say? I don't think anything she'd say would suffice for anyone. The people that need to talk aren't doing any talking and are using Tom Morris and Sam McClure are their mouth piece. 

she has made matters worse

the tone and approach all wrong.

more deflection and spin "we are working hard in the background". doing what?

what's the point in doing interviews just to give us more of the same. the same that has got us into this mess in the first place.

just be truthful and sincere Kate

yes. Trac has said he wants to be at another club. He has raised issues which are valid and which we will address. Thats where you start imv.

what a mess

22 minutes ago, DeeMee said:

For those calling for wholesale changes and sackings - it often doesn’t make for a quick fix. Also only works if the new people are better - hard to know and limited by suitably qualified, experienced and available personnel.

There is a difference between rage induced scapegoating and sensible, well planned governance.

I’m in for both atm.

40 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

From memory Jesse Hogan's and Tom Scully's threads are the only ones to rival the growth in this one.  I go away for a day and it has grown by another 20 pages!

• 12 noon - lunch time and QD jumps on 'Land for a Trac update.
• 12:05pm - QD applies for four hours personal leave.

 

30 minutes ago, JJJ said:

She handled some questions well but overall it left me wondering. I wonder if one of the AFLW girls was in ICU. Would she wait 2-3 months to talk with the player and family? 

She would have been putting on the scrubs and assisting in the operating room.

I still can't get my head around a president who has NOT spoken to player or parents. Seriously??

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Sounds like Gazey knows more than he letting on.

I was in hospital for a week with appendicitis and no one from work visited me.  I am happy to say that I am still at my place of work!

1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Trac was in quarantine for 2 week after the surgery, no one was allowed to go near him. That was reported at the time by both Trac and the club.  If that's one of his beefs then he has a short memory. Or, more likely, more media made up BS.

must have a shoooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrt memory.

2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Is anyone on here going and if so why not!! 

If anyone is going (Football feast o. Sunday), it is incumbent of them to start a new thread and report back to us want went down.

Don’t want to? Look at the fine print of the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you ‘signed up’ to Demonland.  

Edited August 29, 20241 yr by Wodjathefirst

9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Sounds like Gazey knows more than he letting on.

Very much so...    contradicted himself in about 30 secs  ;)

If  they're mates...he'll know EVERYTHING .  But unlike some others...he knows enough , and has mature life experience, to say NOTHING... Fair enough

 

11 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

I was in hospital for a week with appendicitis and no one from work visited me.  I am happy to say that I am still at my place of work!

the other 3 people in my immediate family had trips in and out of hosptial over winter. i had texts from my boss most days and he called me quite a few times. also from my manager and colleagues. because they actually care. and even if they dont, i felt like they did.

hope you feel better soon mate. 

Edited August 29, 20241 yr by biggestred

She mentioned the club's coiterie a few times. Definitely sounds like they're trying to enhance his business opportunities. Seems to me he has put on the table what he wants/needs and they're in a "wait and see" mode.

I posted this in a response on another thread and copped a clip over the ear from Andy so I'm putting it out here where Andy reckons it belongs.

Don't bother considering anything from the Pies or Blues because they can't deliver what Trac warrants. I hope we hold out and he returns to the fold, but since North have been casting about for a mature, seasoned midfielder a la Jack Viney, I could cop Trac going to Arden Street. He wouldn't like it since it's too off Broadway, but if he really wants out then we tell him they're the mob that can do the deal since nothing less than Davies-Uniacke and a top five draft pick will do!

(Also, this trade is least likely to hurt us because the Roos aren't challenging for a long while.)

1 minute ago, pitmaster said:

I posted this in a response on another thread and copped a clip over the ear from Andy so I'm putting it out here where Andy reckons it belongs.

Don't bother considering anything from the Pies or Blues because they can't deliver what Trac warrants. I hope we hold out and he returns to the fold, but since North have been casting about for a mature, seasoned midfielder a la Jack Viney, I could cop Trac going to Arden Street. He wouldn't like it since it's too off Broadway, but if he really wants out then we tell him they're the mob that can do the deal since nothing less than Davies-Uniacke and a top five draft pick will do!

(Also, this trade is least likely to hurt us because the Roos aren't challenging for a long while.)

It was a gentle nudge. Would not have even been cited by the MRO.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

It was a gentle nudge. Would not have even been cited by the MRO.

Please, you wear red and blue. 7 weeks for rough conduct. 

I don't see the big issue with Roffey not getting involved in football matters. She has always been a delegator as President and empowered the people in the football department. But in saying this, I think she needed to have had a better answer for the interview for if Trac has asked for a move. (i.e. Trac's got some issues and has discussed his future with the club, but we have made it clear to him that a trade won't be happening.)

The message from the club to Trac needs to be clear. We love you, we will listen to your issues and try to fix them if possible, but we are not trading you. (We may trade him if the offer is good enough but that is not included in the message.)

Trac is obviously going through a lot of emotions and it seems that the people around him think he would be better to move. But there is no club that will pay his wages and give us a fair trade in return.

We need to de-escalate the rhetoric and not give Trac a reason to respond.

I wouldn't be siding with a self centred, money-hungry divisive figure like HWSNBN (II)

He'll get support elsewhere as opposition  supporters and the media like nothing more than weakening a rival or a club that is in the gun ... so it's always the club's fault, not the fault of the selfish, divisive figure

Those people here who have played  a bit of sport know full well how even one bad egg can destroy a club

That type of figure can divide the playing group and it's often the coaching that cops it in the neck as a consequence

So the club really is bigger than the individual.  By siding with the aforementioned, you're not helping your club

We should just take what we can get for him (some club will pay up) and get on with maintaining the team ethos

I thought Roffey’s interview was hit and miss. I thought the stuff on Oliver, Petty and Pickett was well handled, however she stumbled quite a lot on the Petracca issue.

What I can’t understand is why she kept on referring back to her perspective rather than taking the perspective as someone representing the MFC. Why would you say to the question, “Has Christian Petracca told the club he wants out” “well he hasn’t told that me specifically”. We’re not interested in your perspective, we want to know from a club perspective which surely you must be across! 

I just felt it came across as someone who was more interested in how they are being perceived personally rather than how the club is viewed.