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  On 04/02/2024 at 21:29, The Jackson FIX said:

Kane Cornes and Sam Edmund glowing in their reviews of what they saw of Edmund. I don’t know if they have seen more than what we did in the vision but Volcano likened him to Sam Walsh, Edmund to Bailey Smith.

I'm going to assume you mean Windsor?

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      On 04/02/2024 at 21:29, The Jackson FIX said:

    Kane Cornes and Sam Edmund glowing in their reviews of what they saw of Edmund. I don’t know if they have seen more than what we did in the vision but Volcano likened him to Sam Walsh, Edmund to Bailey Smith.

    I’m thinking you meant Windsor not Edmund.😁

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      On 04/02/2024 at 11:51, rjay said:

    This you don't know at all...and it's one thing I don't like on this forum.

    People saying Goody is this, Goody is that...he's stuck in his ways. When we win it's because of the assistants, when we lose it's Goody's fault. It's all BS, we don't know the mind of the coach, we don't know what goes on at selection and we don't know the machinations on match day.

    We're all guessing and opining.

    Now for my opinion.

    I have said this before also.

    I would have made the change, I don't think Tommy was giving us much at all.

    Would it have changed the result?

    We will never know, but probably not.

    Schache had shown us nothing in previous games to make us believe he would have taken marks and kicked goals.

    Particularly in a big final. I think he was only there as coverage for Max if he went down.

    ...and we were well in the game, why take the chance with Schache. It could have backfired.

    The other thing we don't know is whether Tom was fulfilling a particular role they didn't believe Josh could do.

    ...but from the outside looking in, I would have made the change.

    Thanks rjay. The info on not using the Sub ( Schache ) is not I believe made up. It’s been floated in circles widely and frankly it’s believable knowing how stubborn Simon has been on making moves.  If i you agree thst you would have changed Tommy then things are done for a reason to try and win. 

    I have played sport at Club level and captained cricket teams. Making bowling changes is a top priority and it’s just the same as this. No change attempted you never know but you inside I know it’s got to be done in an attempt  to change things up and make life more difficult to the opposition.

    Growing up as a parent if your child did not like something the best to one yo do was look at making a change u to I improve matters. That's all this is a perfectly easy move to help the team and look at it as a great opportunity to improve matters on the forward line. 

    As for WCW being sick of this topic clearly she doesn’t understand sport ( footy in this case) and surprisingly rude enough to say she is sick of the matter and then denigrate Josh Schache as a player is a very disappointing event. 

    In addition she does not realise her posts on many occasions on some topics are extremely long and boring lecturing others as she believes she has divine right to. This has to be said on this occasion.

    As you know WCW no one makes you read other people’s posts if you don’t want to. 

    This is my  last post on this matter but I have a feeling it may not be the last by a D/Ler.

    Some of us always like the last word!!!

    Go Dees in 2024. 

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      On 04/02/2024 at 22:29, 58er said:

    Thanks rjay. The info on not using the Sub ( Schache ) is not I believe made up. It’s been floated in circles widely and frankly it’s believable knowing how stubborn Simon has been on making moves.  If i you agree thst you would have changed Tommy then things are done for a reason to try and win. 

    I have played sport at Club level and captained cricket teams. Making bowling changes is a top priority and it’s just the same as this. No change attempted you never know but you inside I know it’s got to be done in an attempt  to change things up and make life more difficult to the opposition.

    Growing up as a parent if your child did not like something the best to one yo do was look at making a change u to I improve matters. That's all this is a perfectly easy move to help the team and look at it as a great opportunity to improve matters on the forward line. 

    As for WCW being sick of this topic clearly she doesn’t understand sport ( footy in this case) and surprisingly rude enough to say she is sick of the matter and then denigrate Josh Schache as a player is a very disappointing event. 

    In addition she does not realise her posts on many occasions on some topics are extremely long and boring lecturing others as she believes she has divine right to. This has to be said on this occasion.

    As you know WCW no one makes you read other people’s posts if you don’t want to. 

    This is my  last post on this matter but I have a feeling it may not be the last by a D/Ler.

    Some of us always like the last word!!!

    Go Dees in 2024. 

    I'm interested to know why saying one is sick of a topic clearly shows that person doesn't understand sport.  And show me where she denigrated Schache? She just cheekily pointed out the apparent contradiction between those who were desperate for him to be subbed -in and those who say he is sub-standard or worse.

    BTW, I am also a sport ignoramous because I too think this discussion is going round in circles and anyway, it is out of place in a training thread.

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    The reason we lost the SF to Carlton was because we kicked 5 behinds in a row when we owned the game in the last quarter, not because we didn't replace TMac with Schache or play Grundy.

    9.17 in a tight competition will generally kill you.

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      On 04/02/2024 at 23:11, old55 said:

    The reason we lost the SF to Carlton was because we kicked 5 behinds in a row when we owned the game in the last quarter, not because we didn't replace TMac with Schache or play Grundy.

    9.17 in a tight competition will generally kill you.

    This is correct. Kick 3-4 of those and we win comfortably.

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    Critics of our leadership have a much better case in the QF loss to Collingwood.  We lost that in the first quarter because we didn't come out "switched on".  Collingwood were and we weren't. 

    The tone was clearly set at the opening bounce when Cox jumped early, put his knees in Max's head, knocked Max over and then palmed the ball to De Goey when he came back down to the ground.  It was patently obvious Cox would attack Max as he has done repeatedly in the past - we should have been ready for this and it would have been ideal if Max had aggressively attacked Cox at the opening bounce to set the tone, even if he gave away a free kick - tunneling him would have been far better than falling over.  I love Max and think he's the best captain we've had in my lifetime but that was a major failure.

    And so it went on right up to Maynard's "statement" attack on Brayshaw.  Only our magnificent and resolute defence prevented us from being 5 or 6 goals down at quarter time.

    We owned that match from then on but couldn't bridge the gap.  Our failure to realise the importance of the moment at the start of the match was a major failure of leadership from the coaching panel and the leadership group and IMHO cost us the 2023 flag.

     

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      On 04/02/2024 at 22:29, 58er said:

    Thanks rjay. The info on not using the Sub ( Schache ) is not I believe made up. It’s been floated in circles widely and frankly it’s believable knowing how stubborn Simon has been on making moves.  If i you agree thst you would have changed Tommy then things are done for a reason to try and win. 

    I have played sport at Club level and captained cricket teams. Making bowling changes is a top priority and it’s just the same as this. No change attempted you never know but you inside I know it’s got to be done in an attempt  to change things up and make life more difficult to the opposition.

    Growing up as a parent if your child did not like something the best to one yo do was look at making a change u to I improve matters. That's all this is a perfectly easy move to help the team and look at it as a great opportunity to improve matters on the forward line. 

    As for WCW being sick of this topic clearly she doesn’t understand sport ( footy in this case) and surprisingly rude enough to say she is sick of the matter and then denigrate Josh Schache as a player is a very disappointing event. 

    In addition she does not realise her posts on many occasions on some topics are extremely long and boring lecturing others as she believes she has divine right to. This has to be said on this occasion.

    As you know WCW no one makes you read other people’s posts if you don’t want to. 

    This is my  last post on this matter but I have a feeling it may not be the last by a D/Ler.

    Some of us always like the last word!!!

    Go Dees in 2024. 

    But I want the last word

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      On 04/02/2024 at 22:29, 58er said:

    This is my  last post on this matter but I have a feeling it may not be the last by a D/Ler.

    Some of us always like the last word!!!

    Go Dees in 2024. 

    If I read this correctly, you just have to have the last word on this matter because you don't value other people's thoughts as being valuable contributions on this thread? 

    Gonna be really curious to see if you have to respond to this or not 🤐

    Edited by Ouch!

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      On 04/02/2024 at 22:29, 58er said:

    Thanks rjay. The info on not using the Sub ( Schache ) is not I believe made up. It’s been floated in circles widely and frankly it’s believable knowing how stubborn Simon has been on making moves.  If i you agree thst you would have changed Tommy then things are done for a reason to try and win. 

    I have played sport at Club level and captained cricket teams. Making bowling changes is a top priority and it’s just the same as this. No change attempted you never know but you inside I know it’s got to be done in an attempt  to change things up and make life more difficult to the opposition.

    Growing up as a parent if your child did not like something the best to one yo do was look at making a change u to I improve matters. That's all this is a perfectly easy move to help the team and look at it as a great opportunity to improve matters on the forward line. 

    As for WCW being sick of this topic clearly she doesn’t understand sport ( footy in this case) and surprisingly rude enough to say she is sick of the matter and then denigrate Josh Schache as a player is a very disappointing event. 

    In addition she does not realise her posts on many occasions on some topics are extremely long and boring lecturing others as she believes she has divine right to. This has to be said on this occasion.

    As you know WCW no one makes you read other people’s posts if you don’t want to. 

    This is my  last post on this matter but I have a feeling it may not be the last by a D/Ler.

    Some of us always like the last word!!!

    Go Dees in 2024. 

    Not sure of the correlation between club sport or chastising your child equates to AFL at the elite level and at the pointy

    end of the season 🤨

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      On 04/02/2024 at 11:51, rjay said:

    Particularly in a big final. I think he was only there as coverage for Max if he went down.

    ...and we were well in the game, why take the chance with Schache. It could have backfired

    Exactly

    All the rest of it is just a made up story (conspiracy theory) 

    He might have been cover for T-Mac as well but taking T-Mac off was a risk as even a proppy T-Mac plays in front, competes and is capable of creating separation and kicking a goal or 2 ... once you take him off that's it and then we're left with Schache 

    But again, Schache really was the cover for Gawn and if Gawn had have gone down, we needed cover as T-Mac going into the ruck full time would have left us short in the forward line

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    Any news on May and reports he looked in a bit of discomfort in the last training session?

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    Now that the scribes are talking up Windsor as well as our well credentialed track reporters, I am really looking forward to seeing him up against the Tiges out at Casey. The Duke might fire up a couple of our other youngsters as well.!!

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    NO training at Casey today! 😱

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      On 03/02/2024 at 22:09, picket fence said:

    Goodies MOST COSTLY Mistake in coaching was that call which IMV Totally cost us a tilt at the G.F, but that was last year. Let's see if anything changes this year which it should. I'll still maintain that T MAC is cooked. They are now trying him up back, which is about as useful as playing Ravishing Rick Flair's double for all I care, but IMV he is cooked.

    Ravishing Rick Rude? https://images.app.goo.gl/ChQqMXhBqEKA7sKp6

     sexy rick rude GIF

    or;

    Nature Boy Ric Flair? https://images.app.goo.gl/Vj4WsHXqYBA5bPuy8 

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    or;

     Have I missed some mashed up reincarnation? Shattered if that's a yes!

    Edited by Dee*ceiving
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      On 05/02/2024 at 00:50, TheWiz said:

    Any news on May and reports he looked in a bit of discomfort in the last training session?

    He's playing golf down in Tassie... so can't be too bad

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