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5 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

The TW posts have been deleted.

Does anyone know if this was a club decision or the foul Collingwood mob abusing in the comments?

I can confirm is the disgusting abuse by the Collingwood mob. 😡😡😡

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2 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

I think it had an adverse psychological affect on the team, yes.  They were fired up, they were angry and upset, and I think it caused them to lose their momentum, which they didn't get back until the last quarter.  Gawn was one of the few who played his usual brand of football, a lot of them, including Trac, including Viney, didn't.  That is a very key reason they didn't make the most of their opportunities. 

I watched the replay yesterday KDF and I'd agree it flattened us but we were pretty much on top of them from 10 mins to go right through to the end.

That's what made it so gut wrenching to still lose after dominating for more than half a game.

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No he won't. 

They're pretty much ruling him out for the year.

Goodwin said this morning he is going in for a scan (presumably a brain scan). Not an expert but as I understand it they will compare that scan to his base former scan.

Frankly if he was unconscious for 2 minutes as reported in the media he won't be  back for the prelim and why would you risk his health for the GF.

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You honestly think the reason we lost purely because of the incident? You think Simon Goodwin and the rest of the players are all sitting there blaming the the loss to Angus being knocked out?? Yikes...

Not the actual fact that we kicked 7.11 for the night and blew our chances in front of goal? 4 out on the full shots in the last quarter?

The incident had nothing to do with us losing the game. It's a separate issue. We lost because we didn't make the most of our chances.

Our ridiculous amount of inside 50 entries tells you all that.

No mate.

He was knocked out for a full 2 minutes. 2 minutes is a long time for someone to be knocked out.

This is a guy with extensive concussion history, is currently undergoing a brain scan and will be taking time out to think about his future over the off season as quoted by his Hamish Brayshaw last night. 

That says enough to me that we won't see Angus at all this year. 

His health is absolutely priority and I'd be incredibly surprised if he is ticked off to play again this year.

Your second cpmment was good.

As to losing Gus and losing the game I'm not so sure.

Yes we kicked at goal poorly and bombed it in.

But a I reckon Gus in the team is at least seven points more than Laurie. 

Get well Gus. 

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27 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Goodwin said this morning he is going in for a scan (presumably a brain scan). Not an expert but as I understand it they will compare that scan to his base former scan.

Frankly if he was unconscious for 2 minutes as reported in the media he won't be  back for the prelim and why would you risk his health for the GF.

Diamond Jim, re whether Brayshaw will be available to return to the side after the 12 day protocol, misses the prelim or GF (assuming we win upcoming games), and assuming he is medically cleared to play will be a decision for Gus and his family supported by medical advice. As supporters we do not have the medical expertise nor access to his medical records and expert advice to have any valid opinion on whether or when Brayshaw should play. Nor do we have any real insight into his personal circumstances or motivations to gauge whether any medical risks (which we no knowledge) are worth taking.

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Exactly. 

It absolutely had a major bearing on  the result.

I mean c'mon how could it not?

Leaving aside the very real impacts you've noted (I mean our worst cp diff in a quarter since round 8 in the first quarter of a QF for the number one cp team in the AFL? - please) the bottom line is we lost one of our best 5 players in the last six games on player ratings, and a key part of our midfield, for nearly an entire match.

A player who averages aprox 90% TOG, top 5 for possessions and top 5 for pressure acts out for an entire match and replaced by a sub who only played 50% TOG, played no time on ball and could only manage 5 possessions for an entire match.

Of course we could have, should have won. Shows how good we are. Just needed to kick straight.

But I mean how could that not impact the result? It's old school nonsense to suggest otherwise.

They were slight favorites to win that game at 1.86. Some bookmakers have in game betting.

After Gus went down (noting we scored a goal and so the pies lead was only 6 points) the pies would have come into something like 1.40 prohibitive favourites to win. We would have blown our to 3.00 outsiders.

Thought experiment.

Let's say coming into the game you knew that Gus was going to do a hammy at the 3 min mark of the first quarter (meaning none of the emotion or psychological impact of the head trauma).

Would the consensus be that we have less chance of beating a very evenly matched opponent? Or that it likely would make no difference to the outcome?

Or alternatively, you know the pies are going to lose Adams after only 3 minutes.

Would the consensus be that we have a greater chance of beating the pies? 

Of course it would.

This is all true. It's logical and quantifiable. What we can't measure is the psychological impact Gus going down had on his team-mates. I know I personally, am really struggling to focus on this week's game, even now. At the game on Thursday, it was always front of mind for me, and I'm just a supporter. 

The players saw one of their best mates, one with a dangerous history of head trauma, knocked unconscious before their eyes. This was not a knee or a hammy, but at the time a potentially career ending, even life threatening event. We still don't know his future. This team is tight, it had to have affected each and every player and coach. 

Realistically, the circus around Maynard has to be emotionally draining on them, try as they will to shut it out. Because someone wears a football guernsey once a week, they are expected by many not to be affected by 'distractions'. That is not reality - thankfully. 

I will be there Friday, hoping like hell that we kick a^se. But if we don't, I will understand and will be proud of them. 

 

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1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I can confirm is the disgusting abuse by the Collingwood mob. 😡😡😡

Our social media pages are getting harassed and bullied by the Collingwood fans everywhere at the minute. We put a post up saying the game's sold out and Pies supporters going to town on the fact we're just a small club and it's all Carlton.

I know it's just outside noise, but geez it'd be good if we could win on Friday to shut those ferals up. 

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37 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Goodwin said this morning he is going in for a scan (presumably a brain scan). Not an expert but as I understand it they will compare that scan to his base former scan.

Frankly if he was unconscious for 2 minutes as reported in the media he won't be  back for the prelim and why would you risk his health for the GF.

I also don't think Gus will play again this year. I will be frankly shocked if his family isn't working hard to convince him to hang up the boots, regardless of what his scans will show.

An impossible choice for a guy in the prime of his career, playing in a successful team, with 4 years left on a lucrative contract.

Whatever decision Gus makes, it will be far bigger than winning or losing a game, or a final, or even a premiership. I have no doubt the club and our fans will support his decision and back him in 100%. 

Football is a season of life, but it's not your whole life.

 

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3 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Serious question, if we somehow made the Grand final and played Collingwood, and Brayshaw played, would the Collingwood supporters boo him? I honestly think they would. Some of the comments coming out has shown how classless Pies supporters are. 

Absolutely they would…..I mean absolutely they will. Can’t wait to meet them again.

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23 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I also don't think Gus will play again this year. I will be frankly shocked if his family isn't working hard to convince him to hang up the boots, regardless of what his scans will show.

An impossible choice for a guy in the prime of his career, playing in a successful team, with 4 years left on a lucrative contract.

Whatever decision Gus makes, it will be far bigger than winning or losing a game, or a final, or even a premiership. I have no doubt the club and our fans will support his decision and back him in 100%. 

Football is a season of life, but it's not your whole life.

 

If I were Brayshaw I'd try my best to get right for the prelim/grand final and then call it quits after that win lose or draw. It's a personal choice, and might not even be a realistic one depending on his symptoms and the scan. Another 3-5 years of knocks and potential concussions are not worth the risk but to me 3 weeks and out is worth it.

The fact he's already running a day after his brain scan and 5 days after the incident is positive for sure.

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12 minutes ago, Chook said:

If I were Brayshaw I'd try my best to get right for the prelim/grand final and then call it quits after that win lose or draw. It's a personal choice, and might not even be a realistic one depending on his symptoms and the scan. Another 3-5 years of knocks and potential concussions are not worth the risk but to me 3 weeks and out is worth it.

The fact he's already running a day after his brain scan and 5 days after the incident is positive for sure.

If he plays again it’s a big risk. A final or grand final, it doesn’t matter. He won’t be immune from sustaining another concussion, and the next one might be the one that causes permanent damage. 
Is that a risk you’d want your child to take? Even for premiership glory? 

Concussion doesn’t discriminate because you’re playing in a grand final. His risk of getting a head high hit in the next month are the same as getting a hit in 2024 or 2026. This is his first concussion in 6 years. His next one may never come, or it might happen 6 minutes into a prelim final. 
 

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Reposting this here to get some eye balls on the reality of repeat concussions for sports people in other fields 

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/1/12/21554602/the-cost-of-being-the-king-spencer-fisher-ufc

Everyone should read this article about Spencer Fisher, former mma fighter, describing his rise and fall dealing with concussion and CTE. Being mma it seem far removed from football, but not so far when you think of Spud Frawley and Jeff White. 

“He’d just kind of black out and have, like, a slight convulsion,” she says. “It wasn’t epilepsy, but it was a convulsion. I’ve seen him do it a couple of times, where his eyes are open...” She freezes her face and flutters her eyes. “Just kind of, gone. I just sit there and shake him to get him to come back, and he always starts sweating afterward.”

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Goodwin said this morning he is going in for a scan (presumably a brain scan). Not an expert but as I understand it they will compare that scan to his base former scan.

Frankly if he was unconscious for 2 minutes as reported in the media he won't be  back for the prelim and why would you risk his health for the GF.

My understanding is scans are protocol for concussion cases.

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5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You honestly think the reason we lost purely because of the incident? You think Simon Goodwin and the rest of the players are all sitting there blaming the the loss to Angus being knocked out?? Yikes...

Not the actual fact that we kicked 7.11 for the night and blew our chances in front of goal? 4 out on the full shots in the last quarter?

The incident had nothing to do with us losing the game. It's a separate issue. We lost because we didn't make the most of our chances.

Our ridiculous amount of inside 50 entries tells you all that.

No mate.

He was knocked out for a full 2 minutes. 2 minutes is a long time for someone to be knocked out.

This is a guy with extensive concussion history, is currently undergoing a brain scan and will be taking time out to think about his future over the off season as quoted by his Hamish Brayshaw last night. 

That says enough to me that we won't see Angus at all this year. 

His health is absolutely priority and I'd be incredibly surprised if he is ticked off to play again this year.

It’s not the reason we lost but it definitely factored into that poor 1st quarter, which in the end did make a difference. Now the larger reason was what you mentioned, but let’s not overlook the obvious that it did impact the players and for a game decided by 7 points, it made a difference.

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4 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

It’s not the reason we lost but it definitely factored into that poor 1st quarter, which in the end did make a difference. Now the larger reason was what you mentioned, but let’s not overlook the obvious that it did impact the players and for a game decided by 7 points, it made a difference.

I disagree. 

Let's just leave it at that.

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From the discussions being had it sounds like the club is going to put him through the 12 days, and if he gets the all clear and he is keen (which is sounds like he is) will be in for the prelim. 
 

still early days and relies on us winning but that’s my take from the club media today. 

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4 minutes ago, Neitz the Great said:

From the discussions being had it sounds like the club is going to put him through the 12 days, and if he gets the all clear and he is keen (which is sounds like he is) will be in for the prelim. 
 

still early days and relies on us winning but that’s my take from the club media today. 

He still has to see a specialist and while he may be keen, I reckon Danielle might strongly disagree. And he would take her opinion into account. 

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Get well Team Member, thinking of how bravely you played this year. I won't forget.

I have never met you, but i laughed when you laughed and when you were interviewed you said what you thought.

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Why would Gus go on now, if he was part of my family I would be talking him out of playing again, The AFL have just made it crystal clear that they will not protect him in the future, after 6 concussions I would rather not have my brain turned to mush by the time I’m 50 

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