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28 minutes ago, Chook said:

Contest and defence fall apart in the wet? Interesting.

Our 'defence' isn't ground ball...it's aerial. Lever and May are both very poor in the wet as it becomes very easy to prevent them (anyone) taking marks...ball hits deck, they're below average and our weapon is no more 

Results in the wet speak for themselves this year, not sure why you would question the theory when it's already been proven 

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1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If the weather forecast doesn’t change I’m going to put money on the Pies. I just don’t think we have enough good ball users to take smart options and try and hit up targets in the wet. It’s a real risk that we’ll revert to bombing it in and get caught on the rebound with chaos ground ball that Elliott and the like will love.

 

46 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

This forecast is disastrous.. our whole game fab falls apart in the wet

And the panic sets in .FFS

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A Collingwood supporter on Bigfooty campaigning that the AFL should intervene and make a last minute change to the 2023 finals structure:

Given this year's scenario, why not have Cwood v Port at the MCG?- Cwood get advantage for finishing top and Port still play an interstate final. Brisbane v Melb at Gabba - Brisbane get home final and Melb don't get any advantage.

Hopefully that “woe is me” attitude permeates through their club.

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3 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Our 'defence' isn't ground ball...it's aerial. Lever and May are both very poor in the wet as it becomes very easy to prevent them (anyone) taking marks...ball hits deck, they're below average and our weapon is no more 

Results in the wet speak for themselves this year, not sure why you would question the theory when it's already been proven 

This is not even mentioning the impact on Gawn. We all know how we look when he isn't taking marks down the line...our wet form is not a mystery if you know what makes us a good team 

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8 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A Collingwood supporter on Bigfooty campaigning that the AFL should intervene and make a last minute change to the 2023 finals structure:

Given this year's scenario, why not have Cwood v Port at the MCG?- Cwood get advantage for finishing top and Port still play an interstate final. Brisbane v Melb at Gabba - Brisbane get home final and Melb don't get any advantage.

Hopefully that “woe is me” attitude permeates through their club.

They’d still lose

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3 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Our 'defence' isn't ground ball...it's aerial. Lever and May are both very poor in the wet as it becomes very easy to prevent them (anyone) taking marks...ball hits deck, they're below average and our weapon is no more 

Results in the wet speak for themselves this year, not sure why you would question the theory when it's already been proven 

“Very poor”???! Then you go on to say it becomes very easy to prevent anyone taking marks in the wet. So, why single out those two players? Genuine question.

When the ball hits the deck Maysie and Rick are below average? Comprehensive comparative stats please.

You ask why Chook questions the theory. What theory? This isn’t a science.

Finally, you’ve used the word “proven” as a verb. It’s an adjective. You should’ve used “proved” on this occasion. You’re welcome. 😁

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7 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A Collingwood supporter on Bigfooty campaigning that the AFL should intervene and make a last minute change to the 2023 finals structure:

Given this year's scenario, why not have Cwood v Port at the MCG?- Cwood get advantage for finishing top and Port still play an interstate final. Brisbane v Melb at Gabba - Brisbane get home final and Melb don't get any advantage.

Hopefully that “woe is me” attitude permeates through their club.

I actually think the first round of finals should be 1v3 and 2v4.
If the higher teams win then the prelims become 1v4 and 2v3.
The way it runs now, prelims are more skewered towards 1v3 and 2v4 

 

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1 hour ago, BDA said:

people getting very fixated on the weather. we'll win regardless. 

Anyone, anywhere, anytime!

Now we’ll have to add “any weather” 🙄 

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7 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

“Very poor”???! Then you go on to say it becomes very easy to prevent anyone taking marks in the wet. So, why single out those two players? Genuine question.

When the ball hits the deck Maysie and Rick are below average? Comprehensive comparative stats please.

You ask why Chook questions the theory. What theory? This isn’t a science.

Finally, you’ve used the word “proven” as a verb. It’s an adjective. You should’ve used “proved” on this occasion. You’re welcome. 😁

? This isn't hard to understand. You know it and every semi-informed Melbourne supporter knows it, including those choosing to ignore it in favour of hope. Let me spell it out for you. 

May and Lever's intercept and contested marking is one of our main weapons. When it's wet, this weapon is somewhat nullified. 

Nearly all marking players are less impactful in the wet, this is true. But some cope better with this being taken away from them - for example they might have a terrific ground ball game with which they can offset. Rivers is one such player and Quaynor would be another. Darcy Moore is an intercepter, but he is more accomplished at ground level than most key backs of his size due to his athletic profilr. Ergo, poor conditions would arguably impact his performance less. May and Lever, who have different athletic profiles that serve them in different ways, are at best average ground ball players. Lever in particular is considered a poor ground ball player by a lot of opposition coaches, with many quoting over the years that going in fast and low is the key to getting around him. This is a reference to his speed (or lack thereof), and by extension, how his strengths as a player diminish somewhat when the ball isn't in the air. 

Given their prominence to our gameplan in normal weather, and how their demise often correlates with our teams demise, yes - May and Lever come in for special consideration as a discussion point. I'm not attacking their character, but discussing their strengths and weaknesses and how conditions impact those. 

I'm not going to source "comprehensive" stats because 1) I don't have the time and 2) I don't need to. I can have an opinion - which I know many would share - without needing to cite supporting evidence. This isn't a news article or, as you point out, a scientific journal. Find your own stats if you're keen. I wasn't under the impression I needed to research before posting.

Proven is commonly used as a verb, for what it's worth. 

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I think you'll get a better indication of the weather on Tuesday, to far out to be following weather patterns far to inaccurate.

Don't stress yourselves out to early peoples.

 

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