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Aliir Aliir & Lachie Jones in Concussion Protocol


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2 minutes ago, Chook said:

I actually feel for the AFL in all this. The AFL is trying desperately to get ahead of the concussion issue facing contact sport worldwide, and Port has laid a big steaming dump right in their lap.

Yep. Trying to dodge not one but two players going into concussion protocol. 
Putting Aliir back on and subbing Jones out with a “migraine”. 
 

It is as deliberate as it gets. And all to win a bloody Showdown. Pathetic!

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Port is arguably the most arrogant AFL club for a while. And i don't mean Geelong and Hawthorn arrogant because they talked the talk and walked the walk. Port have this weird sense of entitlement that is quite comical. Assume it comes from having Koche as your President and Hinkley your coach. 

Not at all surprised by this really. They function in a bubble. Crom will win a flag before they do.

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2 hours ago, Chook said:

I actually feel for the AFL in all this. The AFL is trying desperately to get ahead of the concussion issue facing contact sport worldwide, and Port has laid a big steaming dump right in their lap.

It is the afls fault for leaving it in club doctors hands. They should have independent AFL appointed doctors at each game like in the NFL and NRL but I guess the AFL is too tight-fisted.

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21 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There's talk of a $50k fine out of their soft cap. If so that's light. IIRC we got a $50k fine for Harley Bennell leaving quarantine camp in 2020

Pissweak especially considering their history

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-zak-butters-tom-jonas-head-knock-concussion-debate-port-adelaide-power-v-richmond-tigers-reactions-response/news-story/23a757d27a58fe12e39d6a9ab5f040fa

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/15/afl-fine-port-adelaide-20000-over-hartlett-concussion-incident

Don't forget Rozee who never got looked at after his head collected Hunters hip earlier this year. Regardless of what you think of the decision to suspend Hunter, Rozee still should have been assessed. No doubt there's other incidents.

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It is the afls fault for leaving it in club doctors hands. They should have independent AFL appointed doctors at each game like in the NFL and NRL but I guess the AFL is too tight-fisted.

Make the clubs pay the AFL for independent doctors at each game to adjudicate concussion protocols. 

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2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Do we know whether their doctor was overruled?

 

If their doctor was overruled - he would have resigned on the spot. That goes against everything club doctors are employed for.

He has made a very large mistake here and/or maybe is one of the dinosaurs not taking head knocks seriously - in which case he shouldn't be in the AFL ranks.

It screams of negligence  

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There's talk of a $50k fine out of their soft cap. If so that's light. IIRC we got a $50k fine for Harley Bennell leaving quarantine camp in 2020

Harley could have infected 7 billion people Diamond!

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If it was the doctors call to not follow protocols, then isn’t this medical malpractice? And if someone overruled the doctor, is that not gross negligence from an employer?

Don’t see how someone doesn’t lose their job or end up in front of a medical board. 

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43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pissweak especially considering their history

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-zak-butters-tom-jonas-head-knock-concussion-debate-port-adelaide-power-v-richmond-tigers-reactions-response/news-story/23a757d27a58fe12e39d6a9ab5f040fa

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/15/afl-fine-port-adelaide-20000-over-hartlett-concussion-incident

Don't forget Rozee who never got looked at after his head collected Hunters hip earlier this year. Regardless of what you think of the decision to suspend Hunter, Rozee still should have been assessed. No doubt there's other incidents.

Received your please explain from the MBA yet Gonzo?

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3 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

You can’t make this stuff up. What was their doctor thinking?

You forgot punctuation.  What? Was their doctor thinking?

16 minutes ago, Sideshow Bob said:

If their doctor was overruled - he would have resigned on the spot. That goes against everything club doctors are employed for.

He has made a very large mistake here and/or maybe is one of the dinosaurs not taking head knocks seriously - in which case he shouldn't be in the AFL ranks.

It screams of negligence  

Should have, as should the Essendon doctor.  AHPRA requires that the doctor must put their patient before their employer.

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I think this is going to derail Port's season, not just from the CP to two key players, but this is a genuine scandal, it makes a lie about the Dr's reviewing footage on the sideline. Players need to be protected from themselves, I really don't care about how Alir was speaking to Ken, the test is there for a reason. Nothing less than resignation of the medical staff, no matter how much of a good bloke he is. 

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1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Make the clubs pay the AFL for independent doctors at each game to adjudicate concussion protocols. 

Nah, the AFL can fork out. Clubs are already reliant on AFL for funding anyway, take it out of the Executive's salaries.

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5 hours ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Port Adelaide doctor Mark Fisher: “Upon reviewing the vision of the incident again, Aliir should have undergone SCAT testing at the time immediately following the collision."

 
 
 
 
 
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Aliir Aliir and Lachie Jones have entered concussion protocols, with the club saying both failed SCAT5 tests today. Port Adelaide has been issued a please explain by the AFL as to why Aliir did not receive a SCAT5 test after his collision.

Looks like Mark Fisher won't be getting a pay rise anytime soon.

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I have no medical expertise, but anyone could see the force of the impact between Aliir and Jones. If the AFL is serious about head injuries, Port should be fined or docked points for this fiasco. If Jones had a migraine, what was he doing on the field in the first place? And the whole world could see that for a few seconds Aliir looked as if he had taken the full force of a punch from a heavyweight boxing champion.

If the AFL permits Port to get away with this, it makes a mockery of their claim to be serious about tackling head injuries. The main factor behind the AFL protocols seems to be fear of legal liability for brain damage rather than concern for individuals.

The solution surely is to have an independent doctor present in all cases of head injury. Club doctors will always be under pressure from some maverick coaches whose overriding concern is to win matches, whatever the cost.

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As a doctor, I think the management of this situation was disgraceful. 

The footage, which the club doctor reviewed at the time of the incident, clearly shows both players:

* Clash heads at high speed

* Lose muscle tone

* Lack normal protective posturing while falling

* Momentarily motionless on the ground

* Appear confused and disoriented 

The clear interpretation is both players have been concussed and severely enough to have briefly lost consciousness. 
 

Both players should have been removed from the field, subjected to SCAT5 testing and - irrespective of the result - taken out of the game. 
 

Doctors prioritising an individual’s welfare ahead of their (or their employer’s) interests is essential for good healthcare and the integrity of the medical profession. 

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