6 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

He dominated against other underage draft prospects sure, but he's also playing against men in the VFL now. Go back a page or two and watch the clip of him playing for the Carlton VFL team. He was bumping, tackling, fending off, and taking down mature men with little effort. He's clearly got the competitive nature, loves physicality, has power and pace etc. He's not just a man child bullying kids, he's already bullying men too despite not being 18 yet. He's a seriously exciting prospect, closest player we've seen to Dusty, but more competent inside and less miraculous with goal snaps. If he's developed properly, he's the next Dusty; a dominant mid-forward.

Draft order is based off position at the conclusion of the home and away season, not post finals. We're not finishing first on the ladder this season. We'd need Pies and Port to lose the next 4-5 games n a row and we'd need to win all 5. Chances of that happening are next to zero. We could still win the flag though!

The more I've thought about this, the more I've convinced myself we should be all in for Reid. Having him develop under Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Petracca would hopefully mean he maximises his potential. He could rotate forward and midfield with Petracca as Trac winds down. It's a seriously exciting and unique prospect.

To get him, we'd need to do a few trades. Ultimately we'd have turned Jackson into Reid at the end of it. 

1. Gold Coast have 3 top prospects they can bid on and need points to do so. They'll likely trade away pick 5 to get more points. We trade 15 and second rounders. That nets them approx 800 more points. Unless another club trumps us, Gold Coast do this without blinking. We then hold 4+5.

2. We then trade 4+5 for 1 + pocket change. We get Reid. West Coast get local boy Curtain and another young talent with pick 5. It's a win win.

3. Profit.

Get it done Dees!

Does this mean we lose not just 4&5, but 4, 5 , 15 and second rounders LT?

3 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

What would the media know, just click bait. 

only if its negative 😆

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Enough for you to care to still comment? 

Ignore it then.

Sorry dd36 thanks for posting it, I wasn’t trying to have a go at you or the media.  I was just on the Grundy page and just amazed so many people actually get angry with what people in the media say. 
 

 

What’s with the bow and arrow bs?

Give me a determined clenched fist after a goal every day of the week.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Giddy the [censored] up!

 

Is it the real Mitch Cleary though? 😉

1 hour ago, Demons3031 said:

Does this mean we lose not just 4&5, but 4, 5 , 15 and second rounders LT?

In what world will we have 4,5, 15 & second rounders? 

5 hours ago, Colm said:

Points for father/son won’t be an issue. They already have 2nd round pick and can do a 3rd round pick swap with Suns and their future 3rd. Might pick up a lesser pick during trade period either or if they were stuck they could go go into points deficit for next year. 

Really wouldn’t  be hard for them to trade with Suns and be able to have enough points for father/son. 

Yeah but if they don’t offer their second round pick as well suns won’t make thr trade. Which is my point they need to keep that. 

6 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

But then Reid is on an open market, any VIC team could bid for him.

But they would want Curtin and wouldn’t clear him to other clubs.

4 and 15 seems very cheap. I doubt those picks will be enough for the Eagles. I reckon we have to trade with GC for their first rounder if we want to get Reid. 

I really like Luke Jackson now

16 hours ago, grazman said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2023-harley-reid-will-west-coast-eagles-trade-no1-pick-gold-coast-suns-jed-walter-ethan-read-north-melborne-priority-pick-ryley-sanders/news-story/8de2da2c372325224c5f722fecf374b5

North Melbourne, as flagged by interim coach Brett Ratten, is also in the process of applying for a priority draft pick this year, given they’ve won just 11 of their past 78 games. The Roos last year received one future second and one future third-round pick – which they had to trade – as part of an assistance package. Ultimately, they used those picks to acquire Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker from Fremantle.

But the more likely outcome, according to draft sources spoken to by foxfooty.com.au, is the AFL will allow North to pre-list star Tasmanian midfield prospect Rylely Sanders who the Kangaroos are hoping will be added to their Next Generation Academy after he recently received his certificate of Aboriginality. Sanders ranked eighth in foxfooty.com.au’s draft power rankingsreleased earlier this week and is widely considered a prospect worthy of a top-10 selection.

 

I can't see North getting a PP if they can pre-list Sanders (which I think will happen) and given the compromises with the GC NGA prospects,  I think the secret herbs and spices compensation pick for losing McKay might be more like end of first round rather than directly after their first pick.   

I wouldn't be looking to previous AFL decisions as a precedent - AFL HQ have never been consistent in how they decide these things. 

Yes and North are seeking a double whammy here.

First  to add Sanders to their Next Gen Academy late - I think there is a case for this because AFAIK he has been involved with them for a number of years and has only recently officially established his Aboriginality.

Second, to bypass the updated rule that (apart from NSW and Qld teams) you can only bid on Academy players selected after pick 40 - I actually think that rule is too restrictive if you have invested long term in the player, maybe fairer would be no points discount up to pick 40. But nevertheless it's the rule and North are trying to bypass it.

FWIW, I think they'll get their way. Sanders genuinely said on Gettable he was happy to go to North, he's very god friends with Harry Sheezel and there's talk that North will select McKercher, also from Tasmania like Sanders.

North need KPs, even more so if McKay leaves. Maybe they're hoping that delivers pick 3 and they can take Curtain there.  That would pose a risk and problems for any trade of our Freo pick to WC for pick 1 because they wouldn't get Curtain.

A fair bit to play out ...

Edited July 27, 20231 yr by old55

if north get sanders as a freebie i don't think they'll get a high-end pick for mckay compo

their midfield is starting to look super promising for the future

14 minutes ago, old55 said:

Yes and North are seeking a double whammy here.

First  to add Sanders to their Next Gen Academy late - I think there is a case for this because AFAIK he has been involved with them for a number of years and has only recently officially established his Aboriginality.

Second, to bypass the updated rule that (apart from NSW and Qld teams) you can only bid on Academy players selected after pick 40 - I actually think that rule is too restrictive if you have invested long term in the player, maybe fairer would be no points discount up to pick 40. But nevertheless it's the rule and North are trying to bypass it.

FWIW, I think they'll get their way. Sanders genuinely said on Gettable he was happy to go to North, he's very god friends with Harry Sheezel and there's talk that North will select McKercher, also from Tasmania like Sanders.

North need KPs, even more so if McKay leaves. Maybe they're hoping that delivers pick 3 and they can take Curtain there.  That would pose a risk and problems for any trade of our Freo pick to WC for pick 1 because they wouldn't get Curtain.

A fair bit to play out ...

If they got Sandwrs and the pick 3 as compo for McKay then that ruins any plan for us to trade up for pick 1. West coast will only trade down to pick 4 if they can get the local boy Curtain, who happens to be best KPD. If North get pick 3 compo, they’d then have picks 2 and 3, and would take Curtain as a tall with one of those picks as they’ve been handed a gun mid in Sanders.

Basically getting pick 1 and therefore Harley Reid is only possible for us if North don’t get pick 3 compo for McKay leaving. Fingers crossed the AFL don’t butcher the amount of compo given for a 65 game 26 year old who has  achieved nothing. At this rate would could’ve gotten rid of Oscar McDonald or Joel Smith for first round compo haha

If the club is going all in on pick 1 then I love it. This is the most decisive and confident FD we've had. 

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

If they got Sandwrs and the pick 3 as compo for McKay then that ruins any plan for us to trade up for pick 1. West coast will only trade down to pick 4 if they can get the local boy Curtain, who happens to be best KPD. If North get pick 3 compo, they’d then have picks 2 and 3, and would take Curtain as a tall with one of those picks as they’ve been handed a gun mid in Sanders.

Basically getting pick 1 and therefore Harley Reid is only possible for us if North don’t get pick 3 compo for McKay leaving. Fingers crossed the AFL don’t butcher the amount of compo given for a 65 game 26 year old who has  achieved nothing. At this rate would could’ve gotten rid of Oscar McDonald or Joel Smith for first round compo haha

It would be a sham if they were to end up with both pick 3 and Sanders 

More than happy for them to receive one to assist them (Dees fans can’t talk when it comes to receiving priority picks) but to receive both would be overkill in an already heavily compromised draft

My sense is the AFL understand the ire that it would create and will only give them one of the two - i.e. if the McKay trade is in band 1 and they receive pick 3, they won’t get access to Sanders, but if it’s an end of first round pick instead they would get access to him  

I don't think North is as bad as what they are playing. They have some pretty handy kids to build a team around in Larkey, Xerri, Sheezel, Davies-Uniacke, Harvey, Simpkin, Zurhaar and Wardlaw. Plus arguably the greatest coach ever, they'll come good soon enough. 

24 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I don't think North is as bad as what they are playing. They have some pretty handy kids to build a team around in Larkey, Xerri, Sheezel, Davies-Uniacke, Harvey, Simpkin, Zurhaar and Wardlaw. Plus arguably the greatest coach ever, they'll come good soon enough. 

Remember when we were denied a priority pick because the afl stated we had exciting talents such as Kennedy-Harris and Toumpas on our list. Good times.

Further to the Kangaroos compromising our draft hand discussion, one factor that hasn't been talked about much is that the roos have the right to match a bid for him due to his status as a RFA.

Given logue has done his ACL, they are really short on Key defenders on their list.

If they choose to not match a bid in favour of a high draft pick, they are essentially writing off the next few years waiting for junior development to come through while Corr and Young man the backline. They are in for a world of further short term pain.

Why should the AFL encourage such stupid list management decisions.

At least match the bid and force a trade like the mechanism is designed for.

3 hours ago, old55 said:

Yes and North are seeking a double whammy here.

First  to add Sanders to their Next Gen Academy late - I think there is a case for this because AFAIK he has been involved with them for a number of years and has only recently officially established his Aboriginality.

Second, to bypass the updated rule that (apart from NSW and Qld teams) you can only bid on Academy players selected after pick 40 - I actually think that rule is too restrictive if you have invested long term in the player, maybe fairer would be no points discount up to pick 40. But nevertheless it's the rule and North are trying to bypass it.

FWIW, I think they'll get their way. Sanders genuinely said on Gettable he was happy to go to North, he's very god friends with Harry Sheezel and there's talk that North will select McKercher, also from Tasmania like Sanders.

North need KPs, even more so if McKay leaves. Maybe they're hoping that delivers pick 3 and they can take Curtain there.  That would pose a risk and problems for any trade of our Freo pick to WC for pick 1 because they wouldn't get Curtain.

A fair bit to play out ...

I agree getting the player you want plus a discount is double dipping. No changes please until after we get the young Mr White in a couple of years.

I am in favour of giving North Melbourne a decent assistance package. With free agency, it makes it almost impossible for cellar dwellers to climb out of a death spiral.

That said, I don’t like very early priority picks. IMO the fairest way to give an assistance package without a significant impact on one or two clubs is the following:

• Points which can be swapped with Gold Coast for their first pick to enable the Suns to take their 3 academy players.
• Points to take Ryley Sanders (I am not in favour of changing the draft rules to allow pre-listing, but this has the same impact)
• Ben McKay compensation at the end of the first round. They can't allow a high salary contract to be padded out later like they did with Joe Daniher.
• A priority pick after WCE’s 2023 second round pick
• Priority pick #11 for 2024

This gives a decent package but the impact is spread equally on the competition and does not reshuffle the first round. This would also give slight assistance to GCS, which is also needed for the good of the competition.

This means North Melbourne will hold:

2023: #2, #5 (from GCS), #17 (from Port last year), #19 (compensation for Ben McKay), #21 (priority pick), #40, #54 & #60. Plus Ryley Sanders.

2024: R1, #11, R2, R3 & R4

As an aside, I would actually give WCE similar priority picks (i.e. start of second round this year and 2024 first round before the finalists) and maybe some points (not enough to satisfy GCS) so they can swap for picks used for other father/son academy picks.

Watching the highlights of Harley Reid, the way he plays reminds me of Hawthorn's Jai Newcombe. He looks very powerful, skilful and has decent pace without being really quick. I have not seen him take strong overhead marks like Petracca did in his draft year. At 185cm, he will be short for a modern day inside midfielder.

22 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I have not seen him take strong overhead marks

Not sure what highlight packages you've been watching, but you might want to do some further digging...

2 hours ago, demoncat said:

It would be a sham if they were to end up with both pick 3 and Sanders 

More than happy for them to receive one to assist them (Dees fans can’t talk when it comes to receiving priority picks) but to receive both would be overkill in an already heavily compromised draft

My sense is the AFL understand the ire that it would create and will only give them one of the two - i.e. if the McKay trade is in band 1 and they receive pick 3, they won’t get access to Sanders, but if it’s an end of first round pick instead they would get access to him  

I would have thought the same but I heard Sam Edmund on the radio earlier this week and while all these footy "journalists" have to make big calls to stay relevant - it seemed to me he had been fed information from a good source and was preparing the ground for this to happen.

I don't like it, but I just get the sense it's going to happen - they'll have pick 2, pick 3 (McKay) and then have access to Sanders separately.

On 7/27/2023 at 11:04 AM, Lord Travis said:

He dominated against other underage draft prospects sure, but he's also playing against men in the VFL now. Go back a page or two and watch the clip of him playing for the Carlton VFL team. He was bumping, tackling, fending off, and taking down mature men with little effort. He's clearly got the competitive nature, loves physicality, has power and pace etc. He's not just a man child bullying kids, he's already bullying men too despite not being 18 yet. He's a seriously exciting prospect, closest player we've seen to Dusty, but more competent inside and less miraculous with goal snaps. If he's developed properly, he's the next Dusty; a dominant mid-forward.

Draft order is based off position at the conclusion of the home and away season, not post finals. We're not finishing first on the ladder this season. We'd need Pies and Port to lose the next 4-5 games n a row and we'd need to win all 5. Chances of that happening are next to zero. We could still win the flag though!

The more I've thought about this, the more I've convinced myself we should be all in for Reid. Having him develop under Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Petracca would hopefully mean he maximises his potential. He could rotate forward and midfield with Petracca as Trac winds down. It's a seriously exciting and unique prospect.

To get him, we'd need to do a few trades. Ultimately we'd have turned Jackson into Reid at the end of it. 

1. Gold Coast have 3 top prospects they can bid on and need points to do so. They'll likely trade away pick 5 to get more points. We trade 15 and second rounders. That nets them approx 800 more points. Unless another club trumps us, Gold Coast do this without blinking. We then hold 4+5.

2. We then trade 4+5 for 1 + pocket change. We get Reid. West Coast get local boy Curtain and another young talent with pick 5. It's a win win.

3. Profit.

Get it done Dees!

If Grundy ends up going and we ship Tommo & Harmes off as well, that'll likely land us further 2nd and 3rd round picks. Throw in a F1 + these picks instead of Pick 5 could look something like.

 

A. Pick 15, 23 , 34 << Pick 5 from GCS (points value defecit of ~800)

B. 2x2nd rounders , 1 x 3rd rounders for Grundy, Harmes, Tommo

C. Pick 4, 2x2nd rounders, F1 for Pick 1 from WC (Points value deficit of ~1500)

We then take Pick 1 and 5 to the draft, and the points from the remaining picks.

 

Netting us Reid, McKercher and Brown

5 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

If they got Sandwrs and the pick 3 as compo for McKay then that ruins any plan for us to trade up for pick 1. West coast will only trade down to pick 4 if they can get the local boy Curtain, who happens to be best KPD. If North get pick 3 compo, they’d then have picks 2 and 3, and would take Curtain as a tall with one of those picks as they’ve been handed a gun mid in Sanders.

Basically getting pick 1 and therefore Harley Reid is only possible for us if North don’t get pick 3 compo for McKay leaving. Fingers crossed the AFL don’t butcher the amount of compo given for a 65 game 26 year old who has  achieved nothing. At this rate would could’ve gotten rid of Oscar McDonald or Joel Smith for first round compo haha

I’ve been thinking about this. I agree that if Kangas get band 1 compo, that’s a complication for a pick 1 deal for us.

I’d wonder if we would include North and make it something of a mega deal to work in a scenario where they get some assets (which may include a key back replacement for McKay - like Tomlinson) whilst also selecting players not named Curtin.

There’s a deal there to make it worth everyone’s while in this scenario, Curtin would then only need to make it past the Hawks (at this point, one of Watson, Duursma or Caddy would likely be available for Hawks).