Jump to content

GAMEDAY: Rd 12 vs Carlton


Demonland

Recommended Posts

5 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

It's hard not to be fearful of what might happen in this game.

Clearly, based on the Blues recent tales of self-destruction, we win easily. Cripps seems injured (slower than normal), Harry has the yips and Charlie is finding the burden of being the No.1 player in the game (Robbo's view) hard to live up to. Add in the injuries and it's hard not to back us and just about every tipster in the country is.

But those who remember Joe Daniher destroying us on a couple of occasions (and losing the plot in a  couple of others) know that this could be the night when Harry converts his first on Tomlinson and gets on a roll. Given we aren't playing hard tags (Harmes is out of favour) it could also be the night that Cripps gets rolling (unless Sparrow has a blinder on him). And it's not as if their injuries are key omissions - their six out are all depth players replaced by in-form VFL depth players. Their midfield core of Walsh, Cerra and Cripps are all playing so Charlie may have enough supply, while Saad and Docherty are still in to provide run and Weitering, McGovern and Young good enough to quell our key forwards.

What worries me most is that, under Goody, we continue to play four small forwards and with no major height through the middle aside from Trac, we get picked off whenever we try switchbacks from our left-side defensive forays.

I don't understand how we can continue to play four small forwards - we are the only side doing it and aside from a few magic forays from Kozzie and the early form of Chandler, the benefits of the structure are non-existent. And the goals have dried up recently. Chandler has kicked one goal in his past three, ANB one in the past four and Spargo nine for the year.

It's not as if they are smalls that take the odd surprise mark or are that we get benefits from their tackles. Yes they all work their butt off but who would you rather tackle you - Beau McCreery, Sam Powell-Pepper, Zac Bailey or Chandler, Spargo and ANB. Which is not to say that our trio don't work their butts off - it just that at 175c, 172cm, 182cm plus Kozzie at 171cm our small forwards aren't intimidating. And that is one of the major reasons why we have absolutely no chance against Collingwood, although Carlton's current propensity to self-destruct should enable us to get through tonight.   

You've earnt an Elephant stamp for excellence. 

A very decent appraisal of our malaise. 

Crossed fingers and toes for tonight 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Start drinking early is always the preferred option fd !

 

Game starts at 4.50pm up here in Bangers. The late night starts are absurd. Alot of people will get drunk to relieve the boredom and tension(mfc) . Too much waiting around imho. Some wont get home till well after midnight when all the goblins and ghouls come out to feast.

No problem for Tricky Gill. His house is only minutes away from the G assuming he hasnt already jetted off 1st class to Europe for the summer.

Thats nice dear.

Edited by Deebauched
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

download(2).jpeg.e65a6d480dd89a567a3e1a32faf1c8a7.jpeg

I’m almost certain you had other images in mind. 

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry I can only see a loss. Our forward line is [censored]. Curnow will be pulling on his jumper all night. 

We need Petty back in the side and at CHF.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Game starts at 4.50pm up here in Bangers. The late night starts are absurd. Alot of people will get drunk to relieve the boredom and tension(mfc) . Too much waiting around imho. Some wont get home till well after midnight when all the goblins and ghouls come out to feast.

No problem for Tricky Gill. His house is only minutes away from the G assuming he hasnt already jetted off 1st class to Europe for the summer.

Thats nice dear.

What venue will you be watching from Deebauched?

Edited by Bitter but optimistic
typo
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Losing Hibberd hurts us given he's one of our guys who attacks the contest the right way. Harmes and McDonald out should theoretically help our contest, although our depth is looking very concerning when Smith and Tomlinson are now both in the side. Hunter also a net negative for our chance of putting up a decent effort if tested in the physicality stakes.

Simply can't see us winning without Oliver if Carlton bring the heat physically...hopefully they don't (or we go back to applying pressure like we did for a fleeting period a few years back, in which case we'd be fine).

Link to comment
Share on other sites


8 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

What venue will you be watching from Deebauched?

There's a few bars and pubs along Sukhumvit rd in the Nana district that show AFL. I dont go anymore too old to put up with pesky bar girls and bar stool bogans trying to explain to foreigners that aussie rules is not an Australian game but Irish. I rarely drink in public in Bangkok.  Listen live on SEN on the iphone. Plenty of footy replays post game online.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

Just realised Paddy Dow has been left out again… Given the injuries the Blues have I find it very strange. Would he compliment our midfield as a trade prospect next year? 

I've thought about it, he's playing some very good footy in the VFL. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Newport34 said:

I can see JVR drawing two defenders and Smith flying in front of the pack taking marks. 

Ive seen VFL highlights over the past few weeks he can take a pack mark and kick truely something we have been missing for a long time.

Joel has a high leap, and is quick over the ground.

Hope he has seen the last of his injury worries and he can compete and make himself a nuisance for Carlton’s backline.

Go Dees.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Whilst many lament the thought of us running McKay into form what about those relishing the prospect of Carlton running us into form and Smith kicking 3-4 and showing he might just have something. A little tweak here and a little tweak there and we're up and about like its 2021! Go Dee's.

I think I've got something seriously wrong with me. Within 12 hours of a match I just can't see us losing, it's happened all my life. In the past reality would strike early in the game, nowadays it comes later!

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

There's a few bars and pubs along Sukhumvit rd in the Nana district that show AFL. I dont go anymore too old to put up with pesky bar girls and bar stool bogans trying to explain to foreigners that aussie rules is not an Australian game but Irish. I rarely drink in public in Bangkok.  Listen live on SEN on the iphone. Plenty of footy replays post game online.

Have you tried Fitzpatrick's up the plaza end of Sukhumvit. Usually not too crowded and no bar girls only waitresses?

Good food too!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:

What worries me most is that, under Goody, we continue to play four small forwards and with no major height through the middle 

I don't understand how we can continue to play four small forwards - we are the only side doing it and aside from a few magic forays from Kozzie and the early form of Chandler, the benefits of the structure are non-existent. And the goals have dried up recently. Chandler has kicked one goal in his past three, ANB one in the past four and Spargo nine for the year.

It's not as if they are smalls that take the odd surprise mark or are that we get benefits from their tackles. Yes they all work their butt off but who would you rather tackle you - Beau McCreery, Sam Powell-Pepper, Zac Bailey or Chandler, Spargo and ANB. Which is not to say that our trio don't work their butts off - it just that at 175c, 172cm, 182cm plus Kozzie at 171cm our small forwards aren't intimidating. 

Goody's finally recognised that not playing a third tall (ie; usually Petty but also Tomo or Disco) is to the detriment of our team defence & defence in general by having Lever play on the oppo's 2nd best tall.

So a big tick on this front to Goody & Co 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

But will def need Petty to go back once fit imv unless a medium tall (like Disco instead of Tomo) is able to cover some oppo smaller forward lines.  Then maybe the odd foray forward for Petty but even then only IF needed.

Don't know which plays what part of the ground more as a forward but whoever plays higher up more of the time out of Curnow & McKay, that's who we need Tomo to go to imv.  Away from goals Tomo's a much better proposition than playing deep where he often ends up in the road of other defenders or a bit of panic sets in resulting in the odd clanger goal.

The 3 small forwards and one small/medium in ANB.  I'm not sure why we are persisting either.

We would be much better served with BBB as the big leading tall and Smith as the 3rd medium tall starting closer to  goal but leading to diff areas in cohesion with JVR.

That means one of ANB or Chandler out to fit BB.

ANB was an important cog here in 2021 being our No.1 rated tackler averaging 1.9 tackles a game.  Dropped away since to be ranked 7th with 0.7 tackles a game.

Chandler presently ranked 3rd behind Kozzy (2.1) & JVR (1.3) averaging 1.2

While no doubt a long way off his early form Chandler also has the higher goal average at 1.4 vs ANB 0.6 (pretty much his usual ave here).

Chandler also has a few more score involvements averaging 4.9 vs 4.1

Less turnovers 2.2 vs 3.1

More marks i50   1 vs 0.3

Seemingly cleaner with the ball running @ 79% vs 74% but a tad less involved averaging 9.7 effective disposals vs 11.6

ANB having a slight edge in One Percenters 1.4 vs 1 

And meters gained 282 vs 176 (although im guessing Chandler plays a bit deeper more of the time).

Buttom line i like the idea of Smith in for a trial run but shouldve been for one of Chandler or ANB for BB as well.  Probably the latter.

Smith will hopefully hit the scoreboard and provide some solid leads to more dangerous places and separate from the likes of Fritsch when he does.  His two big question marks for mine.... playing out a full 4 quarters and pressure inside 50 having laid zero tackles here in his minimal forays over recent times.  Maybe this was what the FD were looking for at Casey as much as his ability to score and he started clicking lately hence the call up.  Hope so as we can ill afford to be bringing less pressure inside 50.

Of note is that in season 2021 Viney was our third highest rated tackler inside 50 averaging 1.58 behind ANB 1.91 & Kozzy 1.65

Dropped right away to 15th now with only 0.5 a match.  Probably indicating he's playing a lot less time forward?  Although hitting the scoreboard a little more often this season averaging 0.5 vs 2021 0.3   Hard to know without looking at a heat map etc.

What i would like to see here though is bring Dunstan in as the 2nd specialist extractor to assist Viney.  Would allow Viney to rest forward more often, hopefully alowing him to help up the pressure for us inside 50 a little closer to 2021 levels.

Edited by Demon Dynasty
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
  • Clap 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Silvagni has a surprisingly good record against us. I recall he kicked 3 against us recently when playing ruck/fwd.

Setterfield, Docherty also seem to play well against us,.

When Silvagni has kicked goals against us it's been when he's been a full time forward, I think last year was the first he rucked and he got one easy goal, but Max dominated him. Hopefully they'll drag him deep as much as possible when he's rucking. In fact I'd really love both Max and Grundy to play as close to 90% game time each as possible, I know Max normally does but Grundy's only been around the 70%, really stretch their ruck pairing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites


23 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

There's a few bars and pubs along Sukhumvit rd in the Nana district that show AFL. I dont go anymore too old to put up with pesky bar girls and bar stool bogans trying to explain to foreigners that aussie rules is not an Australian game but Irish. I rarely drink in public in Bangkok.  Listen live on SEN on the iphone. Plenty of footy replays post game online.

Have you considered an international membership? It includes access to the watchafl app/site so you can watch live and replays on demand. Goes well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SPC said:

I am normally pretty level with emotions and perspective, but have probably had more ups and downs the last few weeks. My view is that we are slow to address areas of concern and back our system- when I think we should be adapting to trends that are unfolding in the game..

All that aside, I am going to try and put my positive hat on.. 

Dees to win tonight, start to build form and upset the Pies next week. Joel Smith to finally get his body right and build a block of form over 6 weeks to prove he belongs. Back talls to click and again establish themselves as the best defensive unit in the comp. 
Hopefully positivity brings positive results!!

Good post from a can of fruit

  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Silvagni has a surprisingly good record against us. I recall he kicked 3 against us recently when playing ruck/fwd.

Setterfield, Docherty also seem to play well against us,.

Silvagni is slower than his old man and even slower than his Grandfather when he played!

  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, layzie said:

I've thought about it, he's playing some very good footy in the VFL. 

Just had a read up on his bio. Strong tall-ish inside midfielder with good burst speed. Question Mask on his kicking.. he could be an upgrade on Harmes and JJ who look gawn at the end of year. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

i’m up in Shep for reasons that escape me

on my 3rd pot at the local establishment. quaddies have been put on and dumb footy bets are on. 

when’s the bounce???

  • Love 1
  • Haha 5
  • Shocked 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #15 Ed Langdon

    The Demon running machine came back with a vengeance after a leaner than usual year in 2023.  Date of Birth: 1 February 1996 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 22 Career Total: 179 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 76 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5 Melbourne Football Club: 5th Best & Fairest: 352 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #24 Trent Rivers

    The premiership defender had his best year yet as he was given the opportunity to move into the midfield and made a good fist of it. Date of Birth: 30 July 2001 Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 100 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total:  9 Brownlow Medal Votes: 7 Melbourne Football Club: 6th Best & Fairest: 350 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    TRAINING: Monday 11th November 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin, Slartibartfast & Demon Wheels were on hand at Gosch's Paddock to kick off the official first training session for the 1st to 4th year players with a few elder statesmen in attendance as well. KEV MARTIN'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Beautiful morning. Joy all round, they look like they want to be there.  21 in the squad. Looks like the leadership group is TMac, Viney Chandler and Petty. They look like they have sli

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #1 Steven May

    The years are rolling by but May continued to be rock solid in a key defensive position despite some injury concerns. He showed great resilience in coming back from a nasty rib injury and is expected to continue in that role for another couple of seasons. Date of Birth: 10 January 1992 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 19 Career Total: 235 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 24 Melbourne Football Club: 9th Best & Fairest: 316 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #4 Judd McVee

    It was another strong season from McVee who spent most of his time mainly at half back but he also looked at home on a few occasions when he was moved into the midfield. There could be more of that in 2025. Date of Birth: 7 August 2003 Height: 185cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 48 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 1 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1 Melbourne Football Club: 7th Best & Fairest: 347 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #31 Bayley Fritsch

    Once again the club’s top goal scorer but he had a few uncharacteristic flat spots during the season and the club will be looking for much better from him in 2025. Date of Birth: 6 December 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 149 Goals MFC 2024: 41 Career Total: 252 Brownlow Medal Votes: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7

    2024 Player Reviews: #3 Christian Salem

    The luckless Salem suffered a hamstring injury against the Lions early in the season and, after missing a number of games, he was never at his best. He was also inconvenienced by minor niggles later in the season. This was a blow for the club that sorely needed him to fill gaps in the midfield at times as well as to do his best work in defence. Date of Birth: 15 July 1995 Height: 184cm Games MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 176 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 26 Brownlow Meda

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #39 Koltyn Tholstrop

    The first round draft pick at #13 from twelve months ago the strongly built medium forward has had an impressive introduction to AFL football and is expected to spend more midfield moments as his career progresses. Date of Birth: 25 July 2005 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 10 Goals MFC 2024: 5 Career Total: 5 Games CDFC 2024: 7 Goals CDFC 2024: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...