POSTGAME: Rd 08 vs Gold Coast

[demon3165 1,918]

6 minutes ago, old55 said:

You're not Robinson Crusoe with this allusion, but really - have a think about it, it's time it was consigned to the dustbin.

What is?

[Age 381]

JVR is perfect for the MRO/AFL to say they are protecting the head at all costs. Send him straight to the tribunal to get 3-4 weeks. With us being a smaller club, they won't mind if there is any outrage as we generally just roll over and take what the AFL throws at us. 

On saying all of that though, they need to be leaning on Bounce and their golden fist award where they glorify spoils that belt people across the side or back of the head.

Gawn by himself should have half the opposition team get a week for the amount of times he gets smacked in the back of the head in club's joke attempt at a spoil. 

I can take JVR being rubbed out if there is then consistency but the AFL and consistency simply doesnt exist. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,794]

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm sorry, can you provide a quote where he states he felt 'totally disrespected?'

I can. Not a written one, and you’d need to take my word for it (which I suspect you won’t) but he’s said as much and a whole lot more to his new fellow-players. 

[homsar 393]

3 games in 12 days, tough place to win, Suns played well. Good test and solid win with plenty of room for improvement. Not a bad place to be in. 

[Bay Riffin 1,419]

20 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Suns pressure was finals quality after the first 20 minutes. Really hard to play against tonight, and wouldn’t let us take a commanding lead at any stage.
Full credit to them.

They would’ve beaten a lot of sides tonight. A lot.

Stoked to get the 4 points but heaps to work on.

finally someone a bit more realistic. The suns midfield played out of their skin, and broke the lines briliiantly. We did very very well to continually stop their defensive transition into the forward line. Hunter, Langdon, ANB were defensively strong and set up well. Thats what helped win the game. and Witts was excellent in the ruck. 

[dazzledavey36 48,772]

20 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I can. Not a written one, and you’d need to take my word for it (which I suspect you won’t) but he’s said as much and a whole lot more to his new 

No BDA said Brodie felt totally disrespected, I'm asking him/her where's he's publicly stated this or got this quote from?

Yeah look I'd maybe get it if he said this to a few of his teammates and family members behind closed doors but I'd be very surprised if he's been this open to a couple of random demon army supporters that he has no personal connection with? He's an incredible deep thinker and sensitive man but I'd still be surprised of he was still so open about this to any Joe Blow in the street especially as it would be a sensitive topic still.

Anyway, he looks happy and he's adding a fair bit to our team and of the criticism on here post game has been unwarranted. 

[dazzledavey36 48,772]

22 minutes ago, homsar said:

3 games in 12 days, tough place to win, Suns played well. Good test and solid win with plenty of room for improvement. Not a bad place to be in. 

Great perspective.

This is why last night's win was significant. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,794]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah  look I'd maybe get it if he said this to a few of his teammates and family members behind closed doors but I'd be very surprised if he's been this open to a couple of random demon army supporters that he has no personal connection with? He's an incredible deep thinker and sensitive man but I'd still be surprised of he was still so open about this to any Joe Blow in the street especially as it would be a sensitive topic still.

Anyway, he looks happy and he's adding a fair bit to our team and of the criticism on here post game has been unwarranted. 

I never said this is what happened. I don’t know where you got that from.

Again, Brodie has expressed his sorrow at the immense lack of respect afforded him by the Collingwood F.C. to his teammates. Not to “any Joe Blow in the street” as you put it. I wasn’t there to hear it but I believe it because I was told by someone who was there to hear it. Enough said, surely.

Maybe don’t just have a cursory glance of posts, especially posts to which you are replying.

 

[dazzledavey36 48,772]

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I never said this is what happened. I don’t know where you got that from.

Again, Brodie has expressed his sorrow at the immense lack of respect afforded him by the Collingwood F.C. to his teammates. Not to “any Joe Blow in the street” as you put it. I wasn’t there to hear it but I believe it because I was told by someone who was there to hear it. Enough said, surely.

Maybe don’t just have a cursory glance of posts, especially posts to which you are replying.

 

Oh so you weren't there to hear it at all but yet I've gotta "take your word" for it because someone else told you?

I'm sold.

[Bay Riffin 1,419]

You're right and was very aggressive and getting into the grill of the opposition as ell. I think he's feeling more confident. 

[loges 6,028]

1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

And in the same segment said Kozzie could also be in trouble, then showed the clip of it, this guy is a [censored] of a reporter both will not be sighted and I will surprised if they were.

JVR will go big media campaign now 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,794]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Oh so you weren't there to hear it at all but yet I've gotta "take your word" for it because someone else told you?

I'm sold.

Included in my post was “you need to take my word for it.” Again, read posts THOROUGHLY. This doesn’t mean I was there. It means you have to take my word for it when I say I was told by one of his teammates who WAS there that this is exactly what Brodie said. Need I spell everything out?!

Anyways I couldn’t give a fat rat’s if you don’t believe that he has said this. I was making the point in case there was anyone else who disputes  his feelings of disrespect.

edit: I’m glad you find it funny, Dazzle. Coz I don’t. I’ve wasted precious minutes responding to you, time that could be better spent cleaning the bottom of my chooks’ cage. My eyeballs have done the equivalent of their 10,000 steps today. They’ve rolled more times and with more gusto in the last hour or so than they have in the past year. 

Edited May 7, 2023 by WalkingCivilWar

[dazzledavey36 48,772]

23 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Included in my post was “you need to take my word for it.” Again, read posts THOROUGHLY. This doesn’t mean I was there. It means you have to take my word for it when I say I was told by one of his teammates who WAS there that this is exactly what Brodie said. Need I spell everything out?!

Anyways I couldn’t give a fat rat’s if you don’t believe that he has said this. I was making the point in case there was anyone else who disputes  his feelings of disrespect.

edit: I’m glad you find it funny, Dazzle. Coz I don’t. I’ve wasted precious minutes responding to you, time that could be better spent cleaning the bottom of my chooks’ cage. My eyeballs have done the equivalent to their 10,000 steps today. They’ve rolled more times and with more gusto in the last hour or so than they have in the past year. 

Calm down lol

Someone disagrees with you and you go on this complete rant? Not everyone has to agree with everyone here. But this is a bit of a carry on by you and hypocritical considering you've laughed at many of my posts in the past in a sarcastic way or someone else post that have had a differ opinion to mine.

Don't be that person simply because someone has a different opinion to you.

[layzie 28,752]

Well what a game that was. First time in a while I had maybe a few too many bevies to process what happened, I don't usually watch replays in full but I put it on around 11 , fell asleep and woke up with 2 mins to go in the game so that was a useless exercise.

This morning I tried my best to do it. There does seem to be a lot of mixed opinions on this one, I thought we probably played our best footy in that first quarter and laxed off a tad but let's not take away from this opposition. Their midfield bossed ours and they have a lot of skill running through there, when they had possession it was pretty darn hard to get it back. I thought they were cleaner around the stoppages where we were quite fumbly. 

After Richmond took it to us with the 'blueprint' I personally thought North missed a trick with this quite often skying balls forward and allowing us to cut off as we pleased, not the case with GC. They were running in waves and making options forward of the ball everywhere. The surge mentality and ping ponging it around and getting it to ground worked in their favour. Especially late in the game when it looked like those last 3 goals they kicked were pure luck with the ball bouncing the right way for them, but you make your own luck when you play the way they did. Best game I've seen Noah Anderson play, he was everywhere, I can really see Anderson and Rowell being their Trac and Oliver in future. Rosas played a great small forward's game, Witts battled admirably against Grundy and Gawn. He really doesn't get the credit he deserves in this game as a ruckman. The main worry is when teams move it fast and they manage to get it out the backside of centre. I felt the Essendon game was that all day long and something we need to be looking at closely.

To our performers: Thought Max was the one that won it for us in the end. Seeing a lot of people say Viney and while he was immense in the last quarter I thought he was a little down on his ripping last few weeks and hacked it a bit when he had it. Gus was impressive all game I thought and Sparrow cracked in. Trac and Clarry contributed but I thought Dew coached this game really well and nullified a lot of our strengths. 

Backline wasn't brilliant and did have marks taken on them, Petty would be handy back there but can understand why he's not. Forward pressure was probably the one thing I thought we really lacked, the ball just came out far too easily at times when we really needed some repeat stoppages in there. It was the rebound that allowed GC's gameplan to get rolling. 

So while I wouldn't say it was  terrible performance, I did think we lacked a little in pressure and execution. It is frustrating that Fritta couldn't bin that straightforward shot in the last to seal the deal. But we also played a better side than most think and without Touk Millier it was a good performance. We got the points, take it to the bank. Who cares how you win at this point of the season just win baby. Did we get out of jail, well we did on Mcpherson's set shot that's for sure! Everyone gets one..

 

[DutchDemons 1,253]

All of the naysayers in this thread and the match thread should look at the collingwood swans match. To say we aren’t as good as them is delusional.

[layzie 28,752]

4 hours ago, D4Life said:

Agree with you. Felt like a loss on Demonland!

Getting towards 60 years of supporting the Demons, can’t remember 64 flag as a 3YO Demon, our supporters can be very fickle.

Won 2021 flag with brilliant finals campaign. 2nd last year in H&A, but slumped through injury and fatigue in finals.

So in 2023 trying different things, as well highlighted by djr! Debut for McVee and JVR, Chandler getting a go, Petty tried up forward, and resting Trac, Oliver, Gawn during games! Goal kicking has improved, last night wasn’t great but still more goals than points.

Enjoy the wins, not every win will be perfect, support our players.

Someone steps up in the forward line, a bit of luck re winning the close ones like last night, a good run with injuries, and we will go close again this year!

The other bonus is getting a few extra picks from Freo let’s the Demons renew, so hopefully avoid a Hawks or Tigers like slump!

Be happy Demonlanders, it’s not 1980/81, or the Neeld years, we are in with a real shot this year!

I just think the most dangerous thing to do following this sport is go into a game expecting to win with a minimum margin in mind. I never do it, it will just sets up the hard fall of disappointment and the competition is just too level to say that a team on their day can't bring a performance like the Sun did last night. Bank the early wins, I want us playing our best in August/September. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,794]

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Calm down lol

Someone disagrees with you and you go on this complete rant? Not everyone has to agree with everyone here. But this is a bit of a carry on by you and hypocritical considering you've laughed at many of my posts in the past in a sarcastic way or someone else post that have had a differ opinion to mine.

Don't be that person simply because someone has a different opinion to you.

🤔 decisions, decisions. Reply to DD or clean the bottom of the chook cage? One could argue it’s one and the same thing. I wouldn’t, but many would. 😁

PS: no need to tell me to calm down.  I’m so calm I’m a heartbeat away from a coma. Why get worked up over something that’s been trotted out every time someone has nothing of value left to say (ie, your post above), amirite?!

aaaand back to dealing with poo of the chook variety. 😁

[titan_uranus 22,365]

3 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Suggest you read again first sentence I wrote about kick ins? so tell me where i was flawed, they opened us up on the outside time and time again so tell me why they were able to do that?

As for goal kicking have you not watched training clips of Choco placing figures on the mark and them kicking it over their heads, watch players like Trac starting to do that instead of running in on an arc which causes the kicking the action to go right to left for a right footer, it's not hard to figure it out.

 

I read your post. It’s based on what strikes me as flawed logic. So I said as much. 

It’s not good reasoning to argue that our kick ins being the same means we’ve made no changes to how we play. 

And funnily enough, you may need to re-read my post to see I agree that our set shot kicking has improved this year. But we are also taking easier shots. So it’s multi-faceted. 

[Monbon 1,505]

1: The Suns are a VERY talented team. They beat Geelong a few weeks ago.

2: That is about the most inconsistent umpiring I've ever seen. One push in the back at a marking contest paid, the next three not etc etc

3: Please, keep Petty down back.

4: The May bashing by Demonlanders is pathetic.

5: You will probably never again see Fritsch, Langdon, Chandler, Jordan and Neale Bullen play so quietly in one match again. Jacob Van R needs to hold his marks.

6: That Melbourne  won this game is testament to their determination to keep at it, to not give in. 

7: We forget that Van R., Mcvee, Turner, Bowey to a lesser extent, ditto Rivers, have not played all that many games. 

8: I'll take a win like this any day.

9: Van Ruyen should not get cited by Christian. He tried to spoil, actually got a fist to the ball, and in the process hurt the Suns player accidentally. There was absolutely no malice or intent to injure.

[Neil Crompton 4,741]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Oh so you weren't there to hear it at all but yet I've gotta "take your word" for it because someone else told you?

I'm sold.

But Daz you said:

“Yeah look I'd maybe get it if he said this to a few of his teammates and family members behind closed doors….

which is what WCW said he did, so what’s your issue? Other than it appears that you perhaps don’t get it. It’s not in writing because a fellow like Brodie would not disrespect the CFC like they did to him. So if it’s not in writing, then it has to be spread by word of mouth. Further, I don’t believe a MFC player would relay that message if in fact it wasn’t said to them by Brodie. And I’m dead set sure it wouldn’t have been repeated by WCW if it wasn’t kosher. 
In the end it’s your call to believe it or not. But Daz, telling WCW to calm down is, I believe, disrespectful to her, particularly when you have chosen to go down that route, after insinuating she has told a porky (which is how I read your posts). You are a lot better than that Daz. 

[leave it to deever 15,376]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Come on, @djr gave you a whole host of areas in which we've changed on last year and you picked one he/she didn't even mention, kick ins?

Your logic that we got beaten by Brisbane and Essendon, ergo our game plan hasn't changed, is so incredibly flawed I don't even know where to begin. What are you trying to argue here, that if our game plan had changed we'd be undefeated?

Your middle paragraph is only partly correct. Our set shots are better, no doubt, but we are taking more shots from the centre and fewer from the pockets because we're not always prioritising long kicks to Brown/McDonald/Gawn in the pocket.

Love a good ergo.

[WalkingCivilWar 31,794]

5 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

But Daz you said:

“Yeah look I'd maybe get it if he said this to a few of his teammates and family members behind closed doors….

which is what WCW said he did, so what’s your issue? Other than it appears that you perhaps don’t get it. It’s not in writing because a fellow like Brodie would not disrespect the CFC like they did to him. So if it’s not in writing, then it has to be spread by word of mouth. Further, I don’t believe a MFC player would relay that message if in fact it wasn’t said to them by Brodie. And I’m dead set sure it wouldn’t have been repeated by WCW if it wasn’t kosher. 
In the end it’s your call to believe it or not. But Daz, telling WCW to calm down is, I believe, disrespectful to her, particularly when you have chosen to go down that route, after insinuating she has told a porky (which is how I read your posts). You are a lot better than that Daz. 

 I felt patronised being told to calm down, NC. It doesn’t surprise me that you picked up on that. Thank you 💕

[demon3165 1,918]

25 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I read your post. It’s based on what strikes me as flawed logic. So I said as much. 

It’s not good reasoning to argue that our kick ins being the same means we’ve made no changes to how we play. 

And funnily enough, you may need to re-read my post to see I agree that our set shot kicking has improved this year. But we are also taking easier shots. So it’s multi-faceted. 

In your opinion that is, we will see how it all pans out during the season.

[D Rev 250]

I was at this game and thoroughly enjoyed it, though it was more than a little stressful.  There really is something to be said for the smaller "boutique" grounds that represent communities in the northern states that people want to travel to (here's looking at you GWS).

The first line of respect I'd like to pay is for the bloke on the accoustic guitar on the MMM stage who seemed to play "Free Falling" for 7 hours straight (I got there in time for the reserves).  Tom Petty no longer owns that song.

This was a bloody tough game, the Suns are a very good team who move the ball at G-Force speed from their backline to their forward line.  Their mids are absolute gold who dominated congestion. 

I actually feel for Suns fans, they don't have another home game for SIX WEEKS.  Can you imagine that happening to a Victorian team?  I understand they need to sell games to the NT for cash (imagine being there...).  I don't know what their fitness program is like, but thats a big interruption to the season and makes it hard to build support.  Great ground though, and loved the passion of their fans. 

As for us, we started well then they got on top and really pushed us to the end.  The Grundy-Max thing seems to take away a bit from both of them, Max plays his best in the middle or intercepting marks and sending him to the middle FT seems to be a 'break in case of emergency' play at the moment.  Grundy is perfectly adequate as a tall up forward.

Speaking of forwards, Fritsch had his worst game in years, so lets forget it and hope it doesn't happen again for years. Langdon was absolutely woeful too, I thought he was on mushrooms he was out of position so often.  Again, here's hoping it's a blip.

Spargo had an awesome game in the twos and needs to come in to stop the ball rebounding out of the forward 50 as soon as it hits the deck.  It was good to see Disco get through a (nearly) full game without being concussed but he was too undersized for Casboult and its a shame it took Goodwin 3 quarters to work that out.  Im happy for Petty to be back or forward but Spargo should come back in.

Brown looked slow in the twos and his opponent regularly outmarked our out-ran him.  I'm not convinced he is a better option than Grundy up forward.  Sounds crazy, I know.

 

[Roost it far 6,150]

The Suns aren’t pushovers and considering their dominance of the key stats I’d call that a gutsy win. Most of our remaining fixture is in Victoria, JVR will get a rest, we’ll thrash hawthorn and then take on Port. Win that and we’re away,