Jump to content

Posting Unsubstantiated Rumours on this Website is Strictly Forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


I didn't realise Grundy was this good.


Wizard of Koz

Recommended Posts

Tap work and follow up is sublime.

Smart decision maker and simply a completely different player to Max.

Jackson did not produce anything near the work Grundy is doing. Never. Je will never work as hard as Grundy.

The dream is to see us beat the arrogant Daicos cult to win the flag  by deploying Frampton against the 2 big Fellas.

The obvious nightmare is not worth contemplating. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Wizard of Koz said:

Tap work and follow up is sublime.

Smart decision maker and simply a completely different player to Max.

Jackson did not produce anything near the work Grundy is doing. Never. Je will never work as hard as Grundy.

The dream is to see us beat the arrogant Daicos cult to win the flag  by deploying Frampton against the 2 big Fellas.

The obvious nightmare is not worth contemplating. 

Yes have mentioned in another topic hardly ever loses a hitout.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm gonna cop it for saying this but imo Grundy is actually a better centre tap ruckman than Gawn. 

Only have to go back to half way through the 3rd quarter when Grundy was thrown in there and completely changed the momentum of the game just by simply palming to our midfield advantage.

Gawn can be hit and miss and i thought that when he was rucking at times Richmond seem to generate more clearences because he hits it to the defensive side.

The biggest turning point of the game was leaving Grundy to ruck and Gawn up forward. Gawn has such a huge presence up forward and some of his contested marking was Carey like. He makes defenders worry and it could be something that may help JVR development up forward so that he isn't getting the best defender at the start of the match.

I want to this more of this where Grundy takes more responsibilities as the main ruck and Gawn playing up forward. If it means less pressure and hits on his body then he'll be cherry ripe come September. 

  • Like 11
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree DD, I much prefer Grundy in centre bounces and think we look more dynamic when he is in there.

Gawn's biggest strength is his marking, both contested and the ability to out-run his opponent and get uncontested marks as well. I fee like once he comes to terms with this he may actually go to a new level and become the best ruck/forward in the game.

If Gawn can get more marks in the 20-30m range he will kick a lot more goals. On Monday night all his shots (other than the goal line one) were taken from about 50 metres and I'd say he's at best a 50/50 chance from there but probably more a 40/60. If he can get more marks at the closer range I can easily see him kicking bags of 3, 4 or even more.

The other benefit we have is he can drop behind the ball late in quarters if we want to 'kill' the game and not let a side score in red time.

I think by the end of the season the Grundy/Gawn combo will be a well oiled machine and lead us to flag 14.

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm gonna cop it for saying this but imo Grundy is actually a better centre tap ruckman than Gawn. 

Only have to go back to half way through the 3rd quarter when Grundy was thrown in there and completely changed the momentum of the game just by simply palming to our midfield advantage.

Gawn can be hit and miss and i thought that when he was rucking at times Richmond seem to generate more clearences because he hits it to the defensive side.

The biggest turning point of the game was leaving Grundy to ruck and Gawn up forward. Gawn has such a huge presence up forward and some of his contested marking was Carey like. He makes defenders worry and it could be something that may help JVR development up forward so that he isn't getting the best defender at the start of the match.

I want to this more of this where Grundy takes more responsibilities as the main ruck and Gawn playing up forward. If it means less pressure and hits on his body then he'll be cherry ripe come September. 

If you're talking pure palming ability then I think you may be onto something. What Gawn does so well to me is vary his taps and his awareness of where his mids are has to be among the best. Taps forward, to the side, over the shoulder, I don't think I've ever seen anyone with the versatility and creativity of Max's hit outs. Having said that though, he's not the best pure palmer of the ball going round.

Grundy was excellent in the 3rd and he was putting just enough weight on those taps to give our mids a chance. That kind of tap is like a Chess move where you think a few moves ahead.

Edited by layzie
  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Grundy has been very good, but Max is 6 x AA for a reason. His tap work is great. He's just come back from a knee, so anyone using 1 game as a sample size to compare their tap work needs to take a deep breath 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Reckon Grundy can go another gear or two.  When Max has played Grundy's game time has been 68% and 69%.  Without Max it has been 71% to 88%. 

The lower game time could be to help him get to peak fitness after so long out of the game.  Or it could be to keep him fresh in games to use as a weapon to get or keep momentum going our way as he did in the 3rd qtr vs Tigers.  A similar strategy to what we are doing with mid fielders:  preserving them for the second half of games.

My observation is that what I call 'first half preservation' of Grundy and mid fielders, is why we are playing phenomenal final quarters.  Even in the two games we have lost we have had exceptional final quarters.  This will be a real asset for the season and one opps will find difficult to counter if they don't have the fitness for such a strategy to work for them.

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think Grundy gives us a lot more to play with than we had with Jackson last year.  It's about maximising the strengths and minimising the weaknesses.  My fear with Grundy is that he's not accountable if his opponent pushes forward.  But I suspect Jacko would have been similar in that regard.

Equally as good as Gawn is forward of centre, if he can't actually kick straight (like on the weekend and the second half of last year) then it's all for nothing.  

Hopefully not too many more injuries to the talls allows us to experiment to find the right mix.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Off topic a little but I have been pleasantly surprised by how he is almost first in the scene to back his teammates up in any scuffle that occurs. 
Don’t consider him ex Collingwood anymore, he is simply one of us.

Massive respect in my eyes.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Off topic a little but I have been pleasantly surprised by how he is almost first in the scene to back his teammates up in any scuffle that occurs. 
Don’t consider him ex Collingwood anymore, he is simply one of us.

the way he came in and belted that tiggas dude who dropped his knees into jvr was great

he's a very different style of ruckman to gawn, and as our mids get used to him having them both fit and firing is going to be a massive advantage

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Gawn hasn’t jumped in the ruck since about 2016 and it’s not a surprise it’s getting more and more difficult for him to chase quick mids (or even quick rucks). 

Grundy’s not a great jumper either and his tap work is haphazard, but hopefully he builds that cohesion. His follow up is certainly excellent.

Still some work with defensive positioning and with his decision making with the pill. Hint for Brodie; none of our mids can kick, don’t be afraid to pull the trigger yourself!

80% TOG against 2 rucks found him out, but rucking 50-60% and some short stints forward is about right. 

The bit I really like is when the rucks can call their own change based on a big effort or match up. That way we aren’t wasting rotations and can get fresher legs on the long down the line and at stoppages. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As Melbourne supporters, we spent most of our time during his peak years trying to highlight his faults so we could win the Gawn v Grundy debates.  Always knew he was a great player - just never wanted to admit it until this year.

 

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

One of the reasons this combo can work so well is that both players are at the stages of their careers (and lives) that they are completely team orientated.  They have nothing left to prove for themselves and are therefore prepared to do whatever is required to help the team win a premiership.  If one is running hot out of he middle, the other is happy to leave them there and do another role.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, loges said:

There is no comparison between Grundy and Jackson.

Well clearly there is comparison, I think Grundy is better 🙂

  • Like 1
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As everyone knows, Brodie wanted to stay at Collingwood and was heartbroken when shown the door. A little birdie told me that our boys have made him feel more than welcome, he’s really happy and it’s as though he’s been one of us for years. I only hope the Eagles are doing the same for Jayden. 

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Tuesday 27th February 2024

    I headed down to Gosch’s Paddock this morning for the Captain’s Run in the lead up to tomorrow night’s practice match against the Blues.  The squad that took the field was indicative of the lineup for that match at Ikon Park.  Likely Selections based on the groupings of players at the Captain's Run today at Gosch's Paddock. Main Group: Gawn, Viney, May, JVR, Lever, Petracca, McVee, Windsor, Billings, Langdon, Bowey, Schache, Rivers, ANB, Fritsch, Sparrow, Chandler, Kozzy,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 4

    SCRUTINY & RESILIENCE by Whispering Jack

    If the week when preseason training melds into scratch matches with other clubs, is the first marker for the beginning of a new season, then this has certainly been a torrid opener for the Melbourne Football Club in its campaign to remain a leading AFL premiership contender in 2024. The Demons were already under enormous scrutiny from the media and football’s fan base (including their own) after consecutive straight-sets finals exits, with Clayton Oliver’s well documented woes, the Joel Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 27

    Angus Brayshaw Forced into Retirement

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland. 😢

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 414

    PODCAST: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Tuesday, 20th February @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we dissect the Scratch Match loss to the Tigers and hopefully provide me with some free MFCSS therapy. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 43

    PREGAME: Practice Match vs Carlton

    The Dees will play their final practice match before the start of the 2024 seasons against the Blues at Ikon Park. What are you wanting to see in this final hit out before the season proper? Will Clarry & Salo return to the side? 2024 AAMI Community Series | Carlton v Melbourne Date: Wednesday 28 February Time: 6:40pm (AEDT) Location: IKON Park | Wurundjeri

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 183

    POSTGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Dees were outclassed and outmuscled in its first practice hit out for the 2024 season against the Tigers going down by 23 points at Casey Fields. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 287

    GAMEDAY: Match SIM vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and it's been 156 days since the Demons were bundled out of the finals in straight sets for the 2nd year in a row. Our redemption starts here. Remember it's only a practice match if we lose. Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways Demons Squad: 1. Steven May 2. Jacob Van Rooyen

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 402

    TRAINING: Saturday 17th February 2024

    On the eve of the Dees first practice match for the 2024 season a couple of Demonland Trackwatchers bring you their observations from today’s Captain’s Run at Gosch’s Paddock.  KEV MARTIN’S CAPTAIN’S RUN OBSERVATIONS Looks a a dress rehearsal Captain's run. 23 out doing drills.  Included is Will Verall, Kynan Brown, Bailey Laurie, Caleb Windsor, Blake Howes, Adam Tomlinson, Kade Chandler, Jack Billings and Josh Schache. Rehab include BBB, Tom Fullarton, TMac, AMW, Woey.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    PREGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demons will take to the field in their first hit out for 2024 against another team when they take on the Tigers at Casey Fields in a Scratch Match consisting of 7 "quarters". Melbourne vs Richmond Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways What are your expectations? What do you want to see from

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 130
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...