POSTGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[Dee Zephyr 18,181]

Lol, the ball had already bounced hence you can’t spoil it. It was a kick along the ground from Prestia ffs, if someone can show me the rule where it states a bouncing ball can’t be spoiled over the line I’ll stand corrected. What else was Gus meant to do? 

[Dante 2,577]

18 hours ago, IRW said:

Those are two completely different things. 

I mowed the lawn and watched the Pies play like MFC fans can only dream of.

Can they trade Kossi for Nick Daicos please

My view is that if we can take any opportunity to remember and respect the sacrifices made by the men who lost their lives in this horrible conflict then we should. Is it your view that we should only give a [censored] on one day a year?

I personally feel a chill when everyone turns their lights on, and the ceremony begins and if ever you go, I'm sure you would understand what I'm saying.

Can we trade you for an actual MFC supporter?

[Salems Lot 2,394]

14 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

 

LOL this’d have to contend for the title of the most negativity-laden conversation. 

Ahh! you werent around in the Neeld years WCW.  Dark, dark times on DL 

[layzie 30,207]

2 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

That day is September 25 2021.

 

Knowing this place there would still be someone who had a problem with it.

[Sydee 3,755]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Lol, the ball had already bounced hence you can’t spoil it. It was a kick along the ground from Prestia ffs, if someone can show me the rule where it states a bouncing ball can’t be spoiled over the line I’ll stand corrected. What else was Gus meant to do? 

I don't think the umpiring was that great, but I have no issue with the Gus free the rule is to stop exactly this scenario - someone forcing the ball over the boundary to stop play. There was no teammate near where he was hitting the ball so not sure how we could argue re this decision. 

[Demon17 4,730]

2 hours ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

Really loved Grundy going in and sticking up for van Rooyen when the tigers player dropped his knees (albeit gently) into him after his first big mark in the last quarter.

He cemented his demon status in that episode.  he gave the tigers player a lenghty lecture, not simple pushing and shoving.

The team will see this in reveiw and/or Goody will highlight it as a sensible was to fly the falg. JVR will appreciate it also as he was walking back to take the kick and missed the excitement.

Nice on Brody. Jack's got some more support  now.

[Kozzie4PM 765]

3 hours ago, FritschyBusiness said:

Brown kicked 4 goals in both the first two games of the year and looked great. 
He plays on the oppositions best defender and we don't kick it well to his (or anyone inside 50's) advantage. 
That is the problem, the players dump kick half the time to the oppositions advantage wasting 40% of our inside 50s. 

And yet we are the second highest scoring team in the comp.

[layzie 30,207]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Lol, the ball had already bounced hence you can’t spoil it. It was a kick along the ground from Prestia ffs, if someone can show me the rule where it states a bouncing ball can’t be spoiled over the line I’ll stand corrected. What else was Gus meant to do? 

Completely goes against my understanding of the rule up untill now. I've been under the impression that if it's any sort of 50-50 contest then it can't be deliberate, whether it be in the air, on the ground, in a footrace kicking off the ground, whatever it may be.

Edited April 26, 2023 by layzie

[Jaded No More 59,648]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Knowing this place there would still be someone who had a problem with it.

Yes, I couldn't attend. I had a VERY big problem with it 😔

[rufus 956]

6 hours ago, Sydee said:

Pressure on the ball carrier wins most games - our problem is we seem to struggle to present that every quarter and every game. Our disposal not only in terms of decision making but also effectiveness is also below what it should be atm - hopefully that can change.

Our disposal appears bad BECAUSE of the lack of pressure we are applying to the ball carrier in my opinion. We are not getting the ball streaming forward in space off turnovers anywhere further afield than deep in defense. Creating a turnover from half back/centre and anywhere forward creates the easiest time to hit targets and generate scores.

And the lack of pressure is also making it easier for the oppo to do what they want, which is to bring the ball into the corridor.

I heard many interviews from players after '21 where they acknowledged that if they sacrifice and do those teams things (applying manic pressure being number 1 in this category), they all get their 'lick of the ice-cream '. Just not seeing that from the group now. It disappeared last year, and I had a feeling that maybe they deliberately eased off in the 2nd half so that could jump teams again with it come finals...but that clearly wasn't the case.

Edited April 26, 2023 by rufus

[Engorged Onion 9,569]

3 hours ago, Young Blood said:

Look I definitely agree we need to improve our connection. In both those pre season games we moving the ball quickly using different angles through the middle of the ground to work the ball forward with more precision. This created more space and less predictability for our forwards to lead into. It worked against Sydney as well. However Richmond had the middle of the ground filled any time we won the ball and looked forward on the weekend. Most of the better teams will zone players in the corridor to reduce this, we haven't been able to do as well as teams like Collingwood of navigating this. We do seem to do a decent job of moving the ball side to side and down the wings but it usually results in longer kicks inside with the oppositions defense well set up.

Sorry that was a long winded way of saying if we can find the 45 degree angle kicks off half back and move through the corridor quicker we will get so many better opportunities with leading marks inside forward 50

 

Mmmm, and what if every team tries to do the same, and every team is coached  as much as possible to block the 45 exits...

Then we get what all teams get, which is poor 'connection'...

You'd think these convo's are salient only to the MFC... they're not

*Not having a crack at you in the slightest 🙌

[DeeZone 8,118]

4 hours ago, FritschyBusiness said:

Brown kicked 4 goals in both the first two games of the year and looked great. 
He plays on the oppositions best defender and we don't kick it well to his (or anyone inside 50's) advantage. 
That is the problem, the players dump kick half the time to the oppositions advantage wasting 40% of our inside 50s. 

Agree FB BBB always looks better when we get the midfield clearance and kick it long into F50, so does Fritta, we haven’t been as dominant out of the centre this year, particularly against Lions and Bombers. Need to focus more on centre clearances and if we don’t win don’t allow the opposition to waltz it out without extreme pressure. We have a lot of learnings in our first 6 games let’s hope we can get back to 2021 energy and team focus. We looked more like Melbourne after half time.!!!

[layzie 30,207]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Yes, I couldn't attend. I had a VERY big problem with it 😔

That's the spirit!

Me too. 

[Brownie 5,496]

1 hour ago, Kozzie4PM said:

And yet we are the second highest scoring team in the comp.

I think that's missing the point a bit. 

1. It's difficult for our tall forwards with the long bombs in, especially into the pockets.

2. When it does come in like that, it's carried out by the opposition super fast like it's bounced off a brick wall.

We don't seem to get many goals front and centre 25 metres out off packs when it's brought to ground. Richmond got quite a few on Monday as it got locked in and their defensive wall around the arc was in place. We're still not locking the ball in our forward 50 very well.

So, it's great we're the second highest scoring team in the comp, but our forward entries and defensive efforts are still clunky.

I think We could really smash teams if we improve and find consistency in these areas.

[Vipercrunch 2,818]

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

I just rewatched that passage of play.  It was a desperate, full stretch dive by Gus to reach the ball and deny a Richmond player taking possession.  That was his sole objective.  There is no way he had any further designs on the direction or distance the ball travelled after that.  All he wanted to do was deny easy possession for his opponent.  The rule is not there for that sort of thing. 13:05 remaining on the clock in the second quarter if anyone wants to watch again.

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

1 hour ago, Kozzie4PM said:

And yet we are the second highest scoring team in the comp.

I know and only 2nd by 2 points.
Image how much better we would be if we fixed our kicking inside 50 efficiency. 

It's the difference between the competition being so even and us blowing everyone else away. 

[Jaded No More 59,648]

7 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

I just rewatched that passage of play.  It was a desperate, full stretch dive by Gus to reach the ball and deny a Richmond player taking possession.  That was his sole objective.  There is no way he had any further designs on the direction or distance the ball travelled after that.  All he wanted to do was deny easy possession for his opponent.  The rule is not there for that sort of thing. 13:05 remaining on the clock in the second quarter if anyone wants to watch again.

It was about as good a decision as the deliberate paid against him in round 23 2021.

We did win both games though, so cheers umps. 

[Dee Zephyr 18,181]

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

I don't think the umpiring was that great, but I have no issue with the Gus free the rule is to stop exactly this scenario - someone forcing the ball over the boundary to stop play. There was no teammate near where he was hitting the ball so not sure how we could argue re this decision. 

We see it completely different, Gus got to the ball a microsecond before Dusty. His sole intention was to prevent Dusty gaining possession and the fact no teammate was near is irrelevant. It was an intercept.

[DemonOX 8,554]

Our pressure hasn’t been the same since we won the Granny. 

We need to get back to that to match it with the top teams or potentially be out in straight sets again. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by DemonOX

[DeeMee 777]

I think Gus would be more upset about being smashed (not tackled) into as he kicked and being pinged for incorrect disposal 

Edited April 26, 2023 by DeeMee

[Demonland 66,796]

Let's keep footy threads on topic. If you want to debate other topics please take it to the PMs or other forums.

[layzie 30,207]

45 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

We see it completely different, Gus got to the ball a microsecond before Dusty. His sole intention was to prevent Dusty gaining possession and the fact no teammate was near is irrelevant. It was an intercept.

I saw it as a 50-50 contest with an attempt to deny possession. If there were other realistic options then it would be a different story but other than not committing for the ball I don't know what other option there was.

The other thing is that this Twitter guy completely made up a rule that once the ball hit the ground it's no longer a spoil from a marking contest and therefore a qualifier for insufficient intent. This is no-where to be found in the laws of the game charter. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by layzie

[Tarax Club 3,280]

19 minutes ago, DeeMee said:

I think Gus would be more upset about being smashed (not tackled) into as he kicked and being pinged for incorrect disposal 

That was potentially a dangerous act, he  flew horizontally at velocity with significant force. NRL referees would look at it differently.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Tarax Club

[jnrmac 19,479]

6 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

That day is September 25 2021.

 

Facts. I find it funny that supporters think professional athletes who literally spend all week reviewing and preparing for games would continue to make the same ‘mistake’ for 3 years.

Well, it's true that we have been searching for forward connection for a long time. We managed it in the finals of 21 but outside of that it is still a work in progress. And I am sure that Goody bangs on about it week in week out.

So there that...

[Young Blood 2,036]

2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Mmmm, and what if every team tries to do the same, and every team is coached  as much as possible to block the 45 exits...

Then we get what all teams get, which is poor 'connection'...

You'd think these convo's are salient only to the MFC... they're not

*Not having a crack at you in the slightest 🙌

Totally its something every team 'wants' to do in terms of efficient effective ball movement certainly. I know when opposition teams do it to us finding movement through the corridor it really opens us up and makes our strong backline much more vulnerable.

Like I said luckily we are pretty good at utilizing the opportunities other teams present us. When they shut down the corridors it usually means we have players free along the boundary where guys like Langdon and Brayshaw are excellent at moving the ball while constantly relocating ahead of the ball to keep presenting and work the ball up. Its not always effective but I think we're better at this then most. We use the boundary for safety as well knowing we can generate movement out of the contest with our mids. Its definitely a plan b but I definitely see it as part of our game plan and makes us more dangerous as a proven avenue to forward 50 entries.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Young Blood