On 18/02/2023 at 08:41, Bitter but optimistic said:

Just breaking in The Age.

Ginnivan has admitted drug use at a recent  Collingwood training camp. Apparently caught on film by a member of the public in quite sordid circumstances. 

Outed for 4 weeks but I wonder where this might lead?

 

We are always hearing about these things some time afterwards. When its blown over.

I think its massive. I think that it will cost them more players. I think its sad for Wobbles, like wobblier...

Their Coach etc, must be asking themselves why take on this job?

Dillon needs a kick in the behind for not being upfront and angry, pretty pathetic and just started in one of the biggest PR jobs in the country, if not the world, and then we have Tennis where they don't do drugs. Do Nothing!!!

  On 19/02/2023 at 00:59, BDA said:

And taxing the product just creates a black market

It's currently a 100% black market.

Legalising the product won't eliminate this entirely, but I'm confident that most people would prefer to buy from a licensed outlet rather than a seedy crim in a back alley.

Gee we've moved on from the Board elections quickly.

I despise Ginnivan’s on field game. And just about the only thing McRae got wrong last year was sticking up for him to the level that he encouraged him. He ripped at the seams of the game with blatant simulation and the footy gods might well have taken their revenge. He even played the mental health card last year too - although that might’ve been because he wasn’t told to can it earlier in the year.

I’ll give him credit that he hasn’t done so in this case as is willing to admit to his stupidity in getting caught.

As for footballers doing drugs in general. Well, I really don’t care as long as they’re as safe as they can be to avoid ASADA clenbuterol bans, the sensationalist media and addiction. They’re young, wealthy and deserve to have some relaxation time especially over the summer.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/876047/pies-gm-denies-wider-drugs-issue-after-ginnivan-ban

1.  "Ginnivan was out with teammates and other friends in January when he was filmed by a member of the public in a hotel toilet cubicle with an illicit drug".

He should have closed the cubicle door!!

2.  "Wright would not confirm media reports the substance was ketamine...

"Ketamine is used by medical practitioners and veterinarians as an anaesthetic...Ketamine is a dissociative drug, which means it acts on different chemicals in the brain to produce visual and auditory distortion, and a detachment from reality".

No wonder players claim 'mental health issues'!  The symptoms of some disorders are often the same as 'ketamine'.

Young fella out with with mates snorts coke, or some such, in a dunny. One assumes he thought (as he said in his statement) he was relatively safe from being filmed. 

So recreational drug use - not performance enhancing. And not in season. Unlikely to have any meaningful impact on his preparation.

Cue moral outrage and pearl clutching 

Who cares? What exactly has he done wrong? Broken the law? Ok, let the law deal with him.

Forget that a pretty big proportion of young fellas his age are doing the same -  i have zero doubt a pretty big proportion OF AFL PLAYERS are doing the same.

Steve May, whilst rehabbing from concussion, get so drunk and his behavior so poor (in a fancy restaurant no less) that a teammate feels compelled to step in and shut him down and ultimately clock him, breaking his hand in the process (and receives no admonishment from the club - suggesting Mays behavior was way, way out of line). 

May copped plenty of criticism for his carry on, but precious little for getting paralytic drunk. 

Such ridiculously double standards at play.

 

 

 

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by binman

Wright fronted the media on behalf of Collingwood on Sunday with chief executive Craig Kelly standing behind him but not taking questions. Both men were in plain clothes and no Magpies sponsors or colours were visible.
collingwood embarrassed ? 

Who cares

  On 19/02/2023 at 02:35, adonski said:

Who cares

circulation manager at the rage, maybe?

Q: What’s the best drug to get rid of gingivitis?

A: one snorted in the pub dunnies!

Look we know he's not the only player that probably did drugs over the pre season, but the thing that stood out for me was his insta apology where he said as a footballer he should have known better.

No Jack as a human you should have known better. Just don't touch the stuff.

But the person who filmed it then gave it to the media that's low. Either you wanted to get revenge on Jack or you know this mightn't be his first time doing this & thought you'd be helping him by exposing him.

 

  On 19/02/2023 at 02:32, Satan said:

Wright fronted the media on behalf of Collingwood on Sunday with chief executive Craig Kelly standing behind him but not taking questions. Both men were in plain clothes and no Magpies sponsors or colours were visible.
collingwood embarrassed ? 

How do you reckon Ned has enjoyed his first weeks into the job

  On 18/02/2023 at 21:37, Demonstone said:

Drugs are already out there.  People are taking them.  Prohibition has not stopped and will never stop their use.

The question is then how to deal with it.  It's completely illogical that alcohol (a drug, by the way), which causes more problems in society than all other drugs combined, is legal, readily available and socially acceptable but other drugs are "bad" and illegal.

My opinion is that we should legalise, regulate and tax drugs just like we do with alcohol and tobacco.  These taxes should directed into health services because this is a health issue, not a legal issue.

By doing so, we would free up Police to concentrate on real crime, clear the backlog in the court system and stop the overcrowding in jails.  It would also eliminate the criminal involvement and get the "dirty" back-yard lab drugs off the street.

As to your last point, nobody should be driving if they are impaired by alcohol or any other form of drug.

This is what should happen, but it won’t. 
Governments like to be heavy handed. 
Weed is now Legal in Thailand, where once it was a Skull and Crossed Bones offence. I will be fascinated to watch how it pans out. 
Ginnivan is an [censored], how many educational programs do these kids need? “Special K” is a serious one, if correct 

His Penalty is the usual AFL wet lettuce

should be minimum 6 months 

Don’t take drugs is a lesson we hear and learn as a child from family, friends, teachers, govt’s, employers, charities, church etc etc. All role models in our lives. 

Go to the Magistrate Court and see what a wet lettuce is. Or, is it just how we as a society work and reality?
 

The AFL have a drug policy. This is how the AFL will go. Not from value driven supporters who equate their values according to their distaste of a player and/or opposition club 

  On 18/02/2023 at 21:37, Demonstone said:

Drugs are already out there.  People are taking them.  Prohibition has not stopped and will never stop their use.

The question is then how to deal with it.  It's completely illogical that alcohol (a drug, by the way), which causes more problems in society than all other drugs combined, is legal, readily available and socially acceptable but other drugs are "bad" and illegal.

My opinion is that we should legalise, regulate and tax drugs just like we do with alcohol and tobacco.  These taxes should directed into health services because this is a health issue, not a legal issue.

By doing so, we would free up Police to concentrate on real crime, clear the backlog in the court system and stop the overcrowding in jails.  It would also eliminate the criminal involvement and get the "dirty" back-yard lab drugs off the street.

As to your last point, nobody should be driving if they are impaired by alcohol or any other form of drug.

Legalizing has had good results in Portugal 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

around half of players under 24 in AFL would have used coke. one bloke is filmed doing it and give him a 2 game ban

AFL has fixed the drug problem! lol

  On 19/02/2023 at 03:52, Stiff Arm said:

Legalizing has had good results in Portugal 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

The only sure thing about tough Drug laws is a corrupt Police Force. Not my quote, but something I agree with. And, for the record, I don't do drugs though I'd be dead without my Blood Pressure tablets, Blood Thinners, Diuretics, Zyloprim and Panadol Osteo to treat my Double Kneemonia. Then there's the Zinc, Euthenasia, Vitanmin C and B, the Thiamine, the Glucosomine and Magnesium, and the half a Prexum at night. Oh, then there's the Diltiazem.

Oh, and the Sardinian Vermentino, the Coriole Sangiovese, the Cirillo Grenache and any decent Pinot Noir or Barolo I can get my hands on. Hunter Shiraz and good Cab Sav are also life savers.

  On 18/02/2023 at 15:09, Demonsterative said:

I’m confused on what drugs are legal and what drugs are illicit. Govt’s and multinationals hand out the same drugs they punish others for, then dictate a moral value/compass on society. Our Govt is now handing out hallucinogens, opioids, cannabis, Ketamine etc etc. 
 

I don’t have a problem with drug use as long as it is not harmful to the person or others around them. I’m more offended Ginnivan plays for the Filth. 
 

As for being a role model, each and everyone of us is a role model to some degree. Responsible and harmless drug use is role modelling and I include prescription drugs, alcohol  and all other drug use. Until we actually have a narrative and understanding to this situation, leave the kid alone. What he has done is part of mainstream society 
 

Ask Edsemdrug they would know whats legal and whats not!!

  On 18/02/2023 at 22:12, Webber said:

Spot on @Demonstone. There’s ample proof around the world that where de-criminalisation has been trialed, hospitalisations drop, crime drops, and overdose deaths drop. It’s the logical, proven step, and nobody in their sane mind could argue otherwise. As with many things however, we are lead by the US, who have constructed industries around meaningless crime and punishment - most obviously their prison-industrial system. Our leaders don’t currently have the courage or foresight for decriminalisation. Ironically, we’ve just seen a spark of hope, with the approval of psilocybin and MDMA for treatment resistant depression and PTSD, one of only a handful of countries to have done this to now. Motivated no doubt by the potential (and it’s huge) reduction in state mental healthcare costs. It will revolutionise mental health treatment, and gradually be extended for further application. There’s no doubt wholesale decriminalisation is inevitable, it’s just the pointless waiting that baffles.

Spot on. I agree entirely.

  On 19/02/2023 at 03:30, Sir Why You Little said:

 

His Penalty is the usual AFL wet lettuce

should be minimum 6 months 

Bailey Smith copped 4 matches under the same circumstances so why would Ginnivan cop any more?

 

  On 19/02/2023 at 02:01, dworship said:

Gee we've moved on from the Board elections quickly.

Give it another 26 hours or so.

  On 19/02/2023 at 04:56, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Bailey Smith copped 4 matches under the same circumstances so why would Ginnivan cop any more?

 

To actually make a statement. 
You wish to play AFL on a huge wage, don’t take hard drugs 

The Wet Lettuce does nothing except sell media time

  On 19/02/2023 at 04:52, picket fence said:

Ask Edsemdrug they would know whats legal and whats not!!

Depending on who you talk to, Apparently not…!!! 
 

I'm also certain Ginnivan wasn’t trying to get a higher sporting performance, just a high…. From afar, Ginnivan ain’t smart and he stopped at a high. 
 

But PF, if you suffer from trauma and anxiety, I’m your man to assess and refer you to a government/health/multinational controlled psychotropic hallucinogenic program. Damn, if only Ginnivan spoke to me first. He may have had it all and had an explanation for his drug use. Maybe he was self administering micro dosing drugs  himself…. 

  On 19/02/2023 at 02:17, binman said:

Steve May, whilst rehabbing from concussion, get so drunk and his behavior so poor (in a fancy restaurant no less) that a teammate feels compelled to step in and shut him down and ultimately clock him, breaking his hand in the process (and receives no admonishment from the club - suggesting Mays behavior was way, way out of line). 

May copped plenty of criticism for his carry on, but precious little for getting paralytic drunk. 

Such ridiculously double standards at play.

 

Just for the record May was suspended for one game by the club which was added to the week he missed for concussion.  He also had to do community service.

Ostensibly, May was suspended for drinking while injured.  But if the incident hadn't hit the media I doubt he would have been suspended at all.

Ginnivan is being punished for (take your pick):  being stupid using drugs in a public place, being caught, doing something illegal, and the old chestnut: bringing the game into disrepute!  All of those?

So not such double standards.

Would love to see the media carry on about Ginnivan for weeks and weeks as they did May.  And some scribes are still talking about the 'May incident' as when our 2022 season started unravelling which is rubbish.  But that is what the scribes keep writing.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Lucifers Hero