Demonland 74,441 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 MELBOURNE Picks (at start of the draft): 13, 37, 78, 83 Selections: Matt Jefferson (15), Jed Adams (38) Went for two bookends in key forward Jefferson and key back Adams. The Dees had interest in exciting 194cm utility Ed Allan with their first pick after the Eagles overlooked him, but Melbourne ultimately went for the tall goalkicker in Jefferson, who’ll spend most of his first two years in the VFL but learn lots under Ben Brown and Tom McDonald in the hope he’ll one day take over from them. Adams had lots of interest from clubs, so the Dees pounced on the athletic key defender. Like Jefferson, though, he’s a project player. Grade: C+ 1 3 Quote
La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 I'm not arguing for or against the Fox ranking, but it's foolish to rank the draft without combining it with the trade period and all other list movements. 7 Quote
Spirit of '87 344 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Their headline report card table gives them a C, but their related club article gives them a C+ ? 3 Quote
Rodney (Balls) Grinter 11,064 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 All fugazi. The only way to really rank a draft is 3 or 4 years after the event. 11 Quote
durango 2,024 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 When you are not at the pointy end of the draft or you don't have Father-Son recruits like Daicos/Ashcroft/Fletcher then you are rated poorly because your drafting was probably looking to the future. We overlooked Ed Allan which may come back to bite us but we have to back the recruiters who only job is evaluation of young immature players and where they will be in 3-5 years time. 2 Quote
rjay 25,424 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, durango said: We overlooked Ed Allan which may come back to bite us He has to be a flight risk... 3 Quote
BDA 23,048 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Brisbane kissed on the [censored] having 2 top rated father sons. Jammy bastards North will be pleased with their haul and have picked up 3 excellent young players. The rest is just guesswork 1 Quote
mauriesy 7,444 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 How to rank the draft: Give every club that had a top 5 pick an A or A+ Give the clubs with picks 6-10 an A or B+ Give clubs with picks in the remaining first round a B or a C+ Give the clubs with picks 20-40 a C+ or C. All the rest give a D Easy. 8 4 1 Quote
BDA 23,048 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Gold Coast get A's or B's for their drafting every year yet are still hopeless Edited November 30, 2022 by BDA 5 1 Quote
Nascent 9,345 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 ESPN Chris Doerre continues to dislike our performance at the trade and now draft table. Melbourne Picks: 15, 38 Players drafted: Matthew Jefferson, Jed Adams Grade: E Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. Adams was a surprise choice in the second round given his injury history though is an athletic defender who has played a competitive brand of football when available. 7 Quote
adonski 13,274 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nascent said: ESPN Chris Doerre continues to dislike our performance at the trade and now draft table. Melbourne Picks: 15, 38 Players drafted: Matthew Jefferson, Jed Adams Grade: E Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. Adams was a surprise choice in the second round given his injury history though is an athletic defender who has played a competitive brand of football when available. Image from Bigfooty....he really rated Jeffer in September, but not when he's at the Dees! 3 1 Quote
george_on_the_outer 7,875 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Richmonds first pick is after our recruiters have left the building....and they get a higher mark! 2 7 Quote
Demon Disciple 12,537 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nascent said: ESPN Chris Doerre continues to dislike our performance at the trade and now draft table. Melbourne Picks: 15, 38 Players drafted: Matthew Jefferson, Jed Adams Grade: E Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. Adams was a surprise choice in the second round given his injury history though is an athletic defender who has played a competitive brand of football when available. Surely that’s affirming that we just aced the draft. Knigtmare hasn’t a [censored] clue!!! Edited November 30, 2022 by Demon Disciple 5 Quote
manny100 1,625 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 The talls are hard to rate and take longer to develop - unless they are absolute stand out. Much easier to rate mids based on stats. 1 Quote
bing181 9,473 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Interesting snippet here re Goodwin's role in getting the Davey twins to the Dons: They are the two oldest sons of speedster forward Alwyn, who played 100 games for the Bombers from 2007-13. But for his four sons to be eligible as father-son picks, Davey had to reach that 100-game milestone. He was banged up at the end of the 2013 season and so were the Bombers, with coach James Hird suspended for the last game against Richmond because of their drugs scandal. But caretaker coach Simon Goodwin – now the Melbourne premiership coach – made sure Davey reached 100 games. https://www.afl.com.au/news/870487/dons-double-davey-delight-a-plan-nine-years-in-the-making 1 1 Quote
Nascent 9,345 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, adonski said: Image from Bigfooty....he really rated Jeffer in September, but not when he's at the Dees! Dude just does not like Melbourne. 1 Quote
Dee Viney Intervention 2,028 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, adonski said: Image from Bigfooty....he really rated Jeffer in September, but not when he's at the Dees! ESPN and its employees should stick to American sports 1 Quote
Axis of Bob 11,945 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Go back to some of his previous ratings of drafts. It’s pretty funny reading. For example, in 2018 he rated Carlton a D as the worst of the draft because they selected Sam Walsh over Lukosius and Rankine. He then ranked Brisbane an A because they selected Connor McFadyen and Ely Smith, and Essendon an A for Noah Gown, Irving Mosquito and Brayden Ham. I know it’s easy to cherry pick but these articles mean less than nothing given that there is no object measure of talent. And, without being too harsh, Doerre’s ratings probably mean less than that. Edited November 30, 2022 by Axis of Bob 7 2 Quote
BDA 23,048 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Nascent said: ESPN Chris Doerre continues to dislike our performance at the trade and now draft table. Melbourne Picks: 15, 38 Players drafted: Matthew Jefferson, Jed Adams Grade: E Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. Adams was a surprise choice in the second round given his injury history though is an athletic defender who has played a competitive brand of football when available. Jason Taylor must have ran over his dog 2 Quote
Demonland 74,441 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Nascent said: ESPN Chris Doerre continues to dislike our performance at the trade and now draft table. Melbourne Picks: 15, 38 Players drafted: Matthew Jefferson, Jed Adams Grade: E Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. Adams was a surprise choice in the second round given his injury history though is an athletic defender who has played a competitive brand of football when available. Here is his form in adjudicating the Dees draft picks from 2019-2021. Note his rating of a premiership draft haul in 2019. 2 3 Quote
Demonland 74,441 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, adonski said: Image from Bigfooty....he really rated Jeffer in September, but not when he's at the Dees! Here is the link: https://www.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/34672755/afl-2022-phantom-draft-espn-early-two-round-breakdown-chris-doerre 2 Quote
rjay 25,424 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Nascent said: Rationale: Melbourne's first selection in Matthew Jefferson was a speculative one for the stage in the draft. Jefferson is an athletic and strong marking key forward who doesn't need a lot of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily but will also need to start finding more of the football more often to become a consistent key forward. If he finds it 6 times a game for 6 goals then I will be more than happy. 2 Quote
Willmoy1947 4,261 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Any draft ranking know alls who didn't have MFC as an A+ in the years we picked up Petracca and Oliver, don't have opinions worth consideration.7 1 Quote
drdrake 3,203 Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) I know media is all about content and filling the paper each day but these assessments on clubs drafting these young players mean little. Walking away with Grundy and Hunter plus adding the others around the fringe, then add in the 2 kpp, the 2 rucks and the unknown forward mid, plus having 4 picks in the first 36 in the 2023 draft and really only losing Jackson we have done pretty well. Edited December 1, 2022 by drdrake 2 Quote
Whispering_Jack 31,368 Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Stuff and nonsense. As pointed out above there are many reasons why these exercises are pointless, the main one being that if you have a poor season you have a better chance of rating well simply because you get the early choices or if you’re lucky enough to have a couple of decent father sons then you’ve got the magic, golden ticket. Gold Coast get a B but the background is that they sold a top 10 pick for salary gap relief and gave away a quality player to get pick 6. And for that solitary 2022 selection of theirs, they got a “B”? The jury is still out on their 2021 picks as well. This is rubbish passing for “news”. 4 1 Quote
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