On 03/10/2022 at 08:57, Bates Mate said:

If prefer not to lose him. He is versatile. I'd like to see him in the ANB role. Tank might need a bit of work but he is better in the air and better much at goal.

The problem is that ANB doesn't have any currency. 

You are all mad - Harmes is versatile, is one of the best taggers Ive seen, does wonders for our rotations because he never gets tired. When the chips are down Harmes is often one of the few still trying his gut out.

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:34, Beetle said:

As I said during the year I was told the club were going to offload 2-3 of our best 25 this trade period.

Hunt and Harmes were two of those players in consideration.

I’d personally like to retain Harmes, but these decisions are clearly being made for the greater good.

I remember someone saying that but had forgotten that it was you, Beetle

Not really an offload but Jackson would make it 3 (if Harmes ends up going as well) from our best 25 (more like best 18 as all 3 rarely played 2nds)

We're seeing some movement, that's for sure

2 years left on a contract is no impediment these days and that trend may well continue if we keep seeing 5+ year contracts

The leverage marker has shifted but a club like ours can use that leverage to our advantage if we continue to recruit well

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:10, DubDee said:

I’m hearing Dodoro is happy to let pick 60 go to us if we add a second round pick 

Wait, so harmes and a second round pick for pick 60??

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:58, Sir Why You Little said:

Dunstan only got a game this year when Viney was out. 
He is a Tough nut Dunstan, he deserves a decent crack.
With all these changes it is going to be a very different side. 
We got Smashed in 2nd Halves for most of ‘22. The Finals were exactly the Same.

Dunstan and other Casey boys will get a run next year. Bedford and Hunty is why 

Yes, Dunstan is very good depth, but he doesn't have the burst or running ability that Harmes does and we need more of that. Dunstan will only get a game if we have injuries.

I do expect a bit of a different side, and I'm excited to see JVR, Howes, Laurie get a crack on top of the potential ins in Grundy, Hunter, maybe we could even have a dip at Bowes if Harmes leaves?

I can see us bringing in a few more younger players this year.

I like Harmes more than many, given he is a mid with versatility. 

But his limitations are the reason we struggle - bad decision making, bad kicking. 

A lot we don’t yet know, such as whether the club is on board with him leaving, but currently I’m 50/50 on this one at the moment. 

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:13, Macca said:

I remember someone saying that but had forgotten that it was you, Beetle

Not really an offload but Jackson would make it 3 (if Harmes ends up going as well) from our best 25 (more like best 18 as all 3 rarely played 2nds)

We're seeing some movement, that's for sure

2 years left on a contract is no impediment these days and that trend may well continue if we keep seeing 5+ year contracts

The leverage marker has shifted but a club like ours can use that leverage to our advantage if we continue to recruit well

Brayshaw was also in consideration however I think the decision to sign him long term comes off the back of the club knowing Jackson was leaving. 

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:08, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

If he goes, that’s a cause for concern. What is going on internally that is making these players want out? Are there fractures within the group? 

Apparently he's refusing to play with TMac ever again after the mark on the goal line🤣🤣🤣

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:25, Demons11 said:

Graham would definitely be an upgrade 

yes he would, but why would he leave Rich for the exact same role

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:28, Sir Why You Little said:

The Demons haven’t been this Proactive in years 

Proactive indeed, which is to be commended given Goody’s apparent stubbornness to change things up too much. If we do things the same way expecting different results we’re dreaming.

Obviously we’re loading up at another crack at a flag, and that can never be criticised.

 

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:16, Beetle said:

Brayshaw was also in consideration however I think the decision to sign him long term comes off the back of the club knowing Jackson was leaving. 

Yes, we panicked and overpaid the guy who doesn’t fit in our structure and had guaranteed currency so are now losing 3 best 25 guys who have far less value. I predicted this at the time. 

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:21, Travy14 said:

yes he would, but why would he leave Rich for the exact same role

It seems Richmond want him out 

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Demons11

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:16, Beetle said:

Brayshaw was also in consideration however I think the decision to sign him long term comes off the back of the club knowing Jackson was leaving. 

Yes, as soon as we re-signed Brayshaw my thoughts were that we'd organised an in-principle agreement with Freo for Jackson

But as someone else said, to satisfy our needs for Jackson in a trade, Freo need to trade to then get trade value for Jackson

So we might be waiting a while and the Grundy deal might have to wait a while as well

As it stands right now our lowest pick is somewhere in the early to mid 30's and that may not be enough for Grundy (pick 18 - 24?)

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Macca

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:21, Demon Disciple said:

Proactive indeed, which is to be commended given Goody’s apparent stubbornness to change things up too much. If we do things the same way expecting different results we’re dreaming.

Obviously we’re loading up at another crack at a flag, and that can never be criticised.

 

That’s the way i see it. Just watched Tim Lamb’s Press Conference. The Club have worked out a strategy. We just have to watch it play out. Bedford wanting out has blindsided them, but nothing has been signed yet

  On 03/10/2022 at 08:06, Redleg said:

Wow! A Dees supporting best 22 Premiership player possibly leaving, following on from Jayden and Jacko and also Bedford for more opportunities.

Don’t think I have seen this many regulars leaving in one off season.

Something must obviously be amiss !! Agree!

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:23, Demons11 said:

It seems Richmond want him out 

its the exact opposite, he wants midfield time.  Richmond came out and said they don't want to lose him when port were looking.  As soon as port told him they were after JHF he pulled out.

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:23, DeeSpencer said:

Yes, we panicked and overpaid the guy who doesn’t fit in our structure and had guaranteed currency so are now losing 3 best 25 guys who have far less value. I predicted this at the time. 

You won the internet that day.

Essendon supports saying their 22 would likely get eaten up for points picking up Alywyn davey in the draft, 22 for harmes would be a good get imo 

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:23, DeeSpencer said:

Yes, we panicked and overpaid the guy who doesn’t fit in our structure and had guaranteed currency so are now losing 3 best 25 guys who have far less value. I predicted this at the time. 

Brayshaw > Harmes + Hunt 

 

Brayshaw is a proven A grader in not one but three field positions. Harmes is barely a proven A grader in one. 

For me James Harmes is a first 18 player, he’s not a bottom six player he’s tough hard and can fill a number of roles, he is a good mark and kicks pretty straight. He is fast enough to quell opposition’s top mids, there are no guarantees on anyone we bring in. For mine he is a Keeper. No If’s But’s or Maybes.!!!

When you lose 2 finals on the trot a few players have to go especially if you have some good young players at the VFL level or you lose them as well.

Both Hunt and Harmes are very capable AFL players.

We look like being very active this trade period.

  On 03/10/2022 at 09:32, DeeZone said:

For me James Harmes is a first 18 player, he’s not a bottom six player he’s tough hard and can fill a number of roles, he is a good mark and kicks pretty straight. He is fast enough to quell opposition’s top mids, there are no guarantees on anyone we bring in. For mine he is a Keeper. No If’s But’s or Maybes.!!!

Harmes the permanent tagger is a best 18 player

Harmes the bit half forward, sometimes wingman and occasional midfielder is in our bottom 6

What will we get for James - 2nd rounder? Give it to the Magpies for Grundy. 

Have to agree to disagree Adonski.

Can see this happening with Harmesy, Premiership player, Dees supporter win/wins allround here won't get the dollars he's after staying with us.

Jordan, Sparrow waiting in the wings for more midfield time, Gus back in the midfield mix, just makes sense.

Bold move we can't just stagnate like we did last year we have to evolve, we have to improve in different areas.

I like the gumption the list management are showing. 👍

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges